THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY
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I'm amazed that you can not comprehend this.
There is faith that produces obedience, and there is 'faith' that does not.
Only one of these two kinds of faith saves:
"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." - Galatians 5:6
The faith that finds expression in the obedience to love is the faith that justifies apart from works.
It doesn't say, "faith that doesn't express itself through love".
But you say it does.
The faith that saves apart from works is the faith that will then obey God.
The works produced by that faith don't earn that salvation, they are the result of it.
If you don't have that result, you don't have that faith.
There is faith that produces obedience, and there is 'faith' that does not.
Only one of these two kinds of faith saves:
"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." - Galatians 5:6
The faith that finds expression in the obedience to love is the faith that justifies apart from works.
It doesn't say, "faith that doesn't express itself through love".
But you say it does.
The faith that saves apart from works is the faith that will then obey God.
The works produced by that faith don't earn that salvation, they are the result of it.
If you don't have that result, you don't have that faith.
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I agree sister 
I also believe that what we do & say as Christians (and even how we think) gives us a practical assurance of who we really are, a knowledge that we have really and truly come into possession of saving faith.
It's not all about who you "claim" (or even believe yourself) to be on the inside that matters, it's what you ~do~ that truly defines you/tells you who you are. So, if the "walk" that is seen (from someone claiming to be a believer) does not demonstrate the "talk" that you hear from them (about being born again), then chances are more than just good that such a person is NOT/never was a true believer (never, born again).
True Christians "act" like Christians, and when we sin, we make things right again by confession and seeking forgiveness from God (and from those we offended too when necessary).
Why? Because that's what (true) Christians do.
Therefore, what we do, not what we claim, is how we 1.demonstrate who we are/justify our claim of being a Christian, both to ourselves and to others, and 2. it's how we know whether we passed, or failed, the test .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 13:5 (see below).
What we do does not/cannot make us into Christians, rather, what we do tells if we are who we ~claim~ to be, a true Christians or a CINO (Christian In Name Only). What we do as Christians is the RESULT, ~not~ the cause of our becoming and/or remaining Christians (BTW, I know that you already know all of this @EleventhHour, but there are at least one or two others here who do not, or at least they do not seem to know, anyway, so I actually wrote most of this for their benefit, not yours).
God bless you
~Deut
I also believe that what we do & say as Christians (and even how we think) gives us a practical assurance of who we really are, a knowledge that we have really and truly come into possession of saving faith.
It's not all about who you "claim" (or even believe yourself) to be on the inside that matters, it's what you ~do~ that truly defines you/tells you who you are. So, if the "walk" that is seen (from someone claiming to be a believer) does not demonstrate the "talk" that you hear from them (about being born again), then chances are more than just good that such a person is NOT/never was a true believer (never, born again).
True Christians "act" like Christians, and when we sin, we make things right again by confession and seeking forgiveness from God (and from those we offended too when necessary).
Why? Because that's what (true) Christians do.
Therefore, what we do, not what we claim, is how we 1.demonstrate who we are/justify our claim of being a Christian, both to ourselves and to others, and 2. it's how we know whether we passed, or failed, the test .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 13:5 (see below).
What we do does not/cannot make us into Christians, rather, what we do tells if we are who we ~claim~ to be, a true Christians or a CINO (Christian In Name Only). What we do as Christians is the RESULT, ~not~ the cause of our becoming and/or remaining Christians (BTW, I know that you already know all of this @EleventhHour, but there are at least one or two others here who do not, or at least they do not seem to know, anyway, so I actually wrote most of this for their benefit, not yours).
God bless you
~Deut
2 Corinthians 13
5 Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test?
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I agree sister
I also believe that what we do & say as Christians (and even how we think) gives us a practical assurance of who we really are, a knowledge that we have really and truly come into possession of saving faith.
It's not all about who you "claim" (or even believe yourself) to be on the inside that matters, it's what you ~do~ that truly defines you/tells you who you are. So, if the "walk" that is seen (from someone claiming to be a believer) does not demonstrate the "talk" that you hear from them (about being born again), then chances are more than just good that such a person is NOT/never was a true believer (never, born again).
True Christians "act" like Christians, and when we sin, we make things right again by confession and seeking forgiveness from God (and from those we offended too when necessary).
Why? Because that's what (true) Christians do.
Therefore, what we do, not what we claim, is how we 1.demonstrate who we are/justify our claim of being a Christian, both to ourselves and to others, and 2. it's how we know whether we passed, or failed, the test .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 13:5 (see below).
What we do does not/cannot make us into Christians, rather, what we do tells if we are who we ~claim~ to be, a true Christians or a CINO (Christian In Name Only). What we do as Christians is the RESULT, ~not~ the cause of our becoming and/or remaining Christians (BTW, I know that you already know all of this @EleventhHour, but there are at least one or two others here who do not, or at least they do not seem to know, anyway, so I actually wrote most of this for their benefit, not yours).
God bless you
~Deut
I also believe that what we do & say as Christians (and even how we think) gives us a practical assurance of who we really are, a knowledge that we have really and truly come into possession of saving faith.
It's not all about who you "claim" (or even believe yourself) to be on the inside that matters, it's what you ~do~ that truly defines you/tells you who you are. So, if the "walk" that is seen (from someone claiming to be a believer) does not demonstrate the "talk" that you hear from them (about being born again), then chances are more than just good that such a person is NOT/never was a true believer (never, born again).
True Christians "act" like Christians, and when we sin, we make things right again by confession and seeking forgiveness from God (and from those we offended too when necessary).
Why? Because that's what (true) Christians do.
Therefore, what we do, not what we claim, is how we 1.demonstrate who we are/justify our claim of being a Christian, both to ourselves and to others, and 2. it's how we know whether we passed, or failed, the test .. e.g. 2 Corinthians 13:5 (see below).
What we do does not/cannot make us into Christians, rather, what we do tells if we are who we ~claim~ to be, a true Christians or a CINO (Christian In Name Only). What we do as Christians is the RESULT, ~not~ the cause of our becoming and/or remaining Christians (BTW, I know that you already know all of this @EleventhHour, but there are at least one or two others here who do not, or at least they do not seem to know, anyway, so I actually wrote most of this for their benefit, not yours).
God bless you
~Deut
2 Corinthians 13
5 Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test?
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Ahh the old works versus faith issue.
we are all Saved By Faith to DO Good Works.
The Evidence of being Saved is the Good Works.
You don't get saved by doing works. You do works because You are saved.
So if after saying the words and claiming belief and your life hasn't changed, you need to reassess that process.
The bible teaches Faith without Works is DEAD. so if your Faith is Dead how can you be saved by Faith ?
The Holy Spirit within will inspire the good works, so if you not getting that inspiration, reassess do you have the Holy Spirit dwelling within
So yes Start with Faith, Trust in the One True God, Then the outcome of that is a new Creation, you are saved to do Good Works for Christ, not to sit idly by in your Faith.
Let no man deceive you, many will come in the last days and say they been doing good works, and Christ will say he knew them not. So yes start with the relationship
But be aware, because he also separated the Sheep from the Goats. The difference being what they DID and DIDNT DO.
In the end pray and see what answer you get. Your God will answer you whichever God you Believe in!
we are all Saved By Faith to DO Good Works.
The Evidence of being Saved is the Good Works.
You don't get saved by doing works. You do works because You are saved.
So if after saying the words and claiming belief and your life hasn't changed, you need to reassess that process.
The bible teaches Faith without Works is DEAD. so if your Faith is Dead how can you be saved by Faith ?
The Holy Spirit within will inspire the good works, so if you not getting that inspiration, reassess do you have the Holy Spirit dwelling within
So yes Start with Faith, Trust in the One True God, Then the outcome of that is a new Creation, you are saved to do Good Works for Christ, not to sit idly by in your Faith.
Let no man deceive you, many will come in the last days and say they been doing good works, and Christ will say he knew them not. So yes start with the relationship
But be aware, because he also separated the Sheep from the Goats. The difference being what they DID and DIDNT DO.
In the end pray and see what answer you get. Your God will answer you whichever God you Believe in!
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So you believe killer don't need to repent to be save?
You have problem with understanding the requirement of salvation
Luke 10
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lawyer ask what shall I do to inherit eternal life
= what requirement to inherit eternal life
Jesus agree with
Requirement of salvation is
Love God and Love fellow man
Mean if you not love God and fellow men you not save
Mean if you kill fellow man and not repent you not save.
How another verse say by faith
Because if you have faith you love God, you can't have faith and hate god
And if you love God you love your fellow man.
Because bible say if a man say love God and hate his brother, he is liar.
You have problem with understanding the requirement of salvation
Luke 10
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lawyer ask what shall I do to inherit eternal life
= what requirement to inherit eternal life
Jesus agree with
Requirement of salvation is
Love God and Love fellow man
Mean if you not love God and fellow men you not save
Mean if you kill fellow man and not repent you not save.
How another verse say by faith
Because if you have faith you love God, you can't have faith and hate god
And if you love God you love your fellow man.
Because bible say if a man say love God and hate his brother, he is liar.
In Mark 1:15, Jesus said - .."repent and believe the gospel" and the gospel is not sinless perfection. Those who believe they live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)
I have seen certain people over the years abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 to teach sinless perfection, yet Jesus was telling the woman to go and leave her life of sin, namely, she had been practicing adultery. Also, Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."
I have seen certain people over the years abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11 to teach sinless perfection, yet Jesus was telling the woman to go and leave her life of sin, namely, she had been practicing adultery. Also, Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."
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