The Complacent christian world.

[AnandaHya]

before you go and judge me, and criticize my words you should do some background research.

Tell me why Zone has NOT denied using the name Paulnsilas? they sound very similar in their posting styles and distaste for people and Zone is very defensive of things I say to Paulnsilas, wonder why?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-gods-war-cry-fighting-forces-darkness-2.html

if you think that is harsh you should see what Paulnsilas wrote:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/22244-message-true-prophets-yhwh-10.html

She has yet to deny the connection, so what would your conclusion be?

Read the threads and figure it out for yourself.

Your right we shouldn't be dart throwing machines but neither should we be pin cushions or mats for people to walk over and degrade.

 

[silverwind]

before you go and judge me, and criticize my words you should do some background research.

Tell me why Zone has NOT denied using the name Paulnsilas? they sound very similar in their posting styles and distaste for people and Zone is very defensive of things I say to Paulnsilas, wonder why?

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-gods-war-cry-fighting-forces-darkness-2.html

if you think that is harsh you should see what Paulnsilas wrote:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/22244-message-true-prophets-yhwh-10.html

She has yet to deny the connection, so what would your conclusion be?

Read the threads and figure it out for yourself.

Your right we shouldn't be dart throwing machines but neither should we be pin cushions or mats for people to walk over and degrade.

not sure what you're on about, but i tend to skip over long posts

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

Do you believe in spiritual gifts? Zone has told me before that I was outside Christ's church for believing that spiritual gifts still exist and has told me that I was not a child of God but was leading people astray as a false teacher.

grace is for GOD to give to those who truly are repentant. I have forgiven her but I do not forget especially when she sees fit to belittle me in other post and misrepresents anything I say that she perceives is against HER doctrine.[\quote]

Mark 16:17-18

"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

Let's see, who should we believe, Jesus Himself or some spiritually dead doctrine whom God chooses to ignore because they have embraced the idea that a person can be saved in sin rather than from sin as the bible clearly states?


I wouldn't worry about those who believe that the gifts are no longer for today. I personally have seen creative miracles and people instantly delivered from intense long term drug, alcohol and sex addictions. I have no doubt what so ever that gifts are very much for today. After all God is the same yesterday, today and forever more. Those who believe that the gifts are no longer for today are decieving themselves because they choose to ignore the fact that the bible tells us that sin grieves the Holy Spirit, the giver of the gifts. Carnal Christianity.... go figure.

 

[zone]

ANANDA:
Do you believe in spiritual gifts? Zone has told me before that I was outside Christ's church for believing that spiritual gifts still exist and has told me that I was not a child of God but was leading people astray as a false teacher

someone should stop whining and obssessing about zone.
you have been a false teacher: that's a natural fact dear.
just go back and look at your entre.

ANANDA:
grace is for GOD to give to those who truly are repentant. I have forgiven her but I do not forget especially when she sees fit to belittle me in other post and misrepresents anything I say that she perceives is against HER doctrine.

YOU CLAIMED TO CHANNEL JESUS (among other fabrications).
an extremely serious offense that got one stoned in the OT.
i don't reckon The LORD cares for it now either.
and you haven't repented.

so, have you received the grace you speak of ananda?
our sins must be confessed to the Lord (not buried and covered up).

Mark 16:17-18

"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

Let's see, who should we believe, Jesus Himself or some spiritually dead doctrine whom God chooses to ignore because they have embraced the idea that a person can be saved in sin rather than from sin as the bible clearly states?.

1) what in the world does "saved in sin" have to do with the BOGUS Freemasonic New Apostolic Restoration/Reformation and Charismatic Chaos?

2) have you sipped any cyanide lately? (no, cuz you'd be dead).

I wouldn't worry about those who believe that the gifts are no longer for today. I personally have seen creative miracles and people instantly delivered from intense long term drug, alcohol and sex addictions..

me too.
what's that got to do with the "offices of Apostle and prophet" for today?

I have no doubt what so ever that gifts are very much for today. After all God is the same yesterday, today and forever more. Those who believe that the gifts are no longer for today are decieving themselves because they choose to ignore the fact that the bible tells us that sin grieves the Holy Spirit, the giver of the gifts. Carnal Christianity.... go figure.

LOL!
Christians who walk by faith not sight, and do not require signs or miraculous powers (which ceased after the Apostolic era) are CARNAL?

ehehehe....check out yer local hyper-pentecostal THIRD WAVE CHURCH.
that's carnality.

DRUNK IN THE SPIRIT?
sure thing.

 

[loveschild]

Do you believe in spiritual gifts? Zone has told me before that I was outside Christ's church for believing that spiritual gifts still exist and has told me that I was not a child of God but was leading people astray as a false teacher.

grace is for GOD to give to those who truly are repentant. I have forgiven her but I do not forget especially when she sees fit to belittle me in other post and misrepresents anything I say that she perceives is against HER doctrine.[\quote]

Mark 16:17-18

"And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

Let's see, who should we believe, Jesus Himself or some spiritually dead doctrine whom God chooses to ignore because they have embraced the idea that a person can be saved in sin rather than from sin as the bible clearly states?


I wouldn't worry about those who believe that the gifts are no longer for today. I personally have seen creative miracles and people instantly delivered from intense long term drug, alcohol and sex addictions. I have no doubt what so ever that gifts are very much for today. After all God is the same yesterday, today and forever more. Those who believe that the gifts are no longer for today are decieving themselves because they choose to ignore the fact that the bible tells us that sin grieves the Holy Spirit, the giver of the gifts. Carnal Christianity.... go figure.

The gifts are very real. Pray for zone the same way you would yourself and your family.

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

Someone has been spending too much time listening to John McArthur instead of reading her bible. Scripture is the only authority and if many preaches a different gospel than that which is the gospel they are a false teacher. Nowhere in the bible does is state that the gifts have ceased in the church age which began at Pentecost and will end when Christ (the truly perfect one) returns.

Again I say, the bible plainly states that sin grieves the Holy Spirit, the giver of the gifts. Could it be that the Holy Spirit has never given you a gift because He is grieved over something in your life that you are holding onto some sort of sin (possibly out of a sense of religious pride) that He has been trying to prune? After all Christ is the vine, we are the branches and Spirit of God is the vine dresser (master pruner).

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

The gifts are very real. Pray for zone the same way you would yourself and your family.

Agreed dear sister.

 

[amadis]

I hope you'll be encouraged by this e-mail a brother in Lord sent me:
HI Saints.

Baptize by fire. Here is a little view for you. I once had a thought or a vision, a dream or whatever you would like call it. I was standing in a room with bunches of brothers and we were all standing there flexing our muscles in the Lord. Our spirituality. Awesome. Like roosters just crowing away. In this room was a furnace and the furnace wasn't even on, the heat had not even been turn on. But about that time Jesus Christ walked into room wearing workman's overalls. All the brothers got the look of worry on their face, because we knew what was about to happen. Jesus reached down and flip the switch on the furnace and turned the heat on. You know what happen? All the our muscles started melting off. We were melted down to barely nothing, but a little flesh and bone.Oh by way the Spirit of God living inside of us. No more muscles, just a group of brothers standing there.
Here what I saw when we were melted down. WE really knew very little but what we knew was the Lord and he was the most important focus to us. Since then the fire as fell on several churches and some how barely survived. Others have replenish themselves with a group of young muscled men waiting for the furnace to be turn on. You might pray for them, there going to need it.
Brothers and sisters you don't have pray for the Fire to fall, it will. You don't have to pray for the cross, it will come. What you can do some how, or some way asked the Lord to show you that he is your best friend. A lot of Christians never know that. The fire comes and we get upset with God, the cross comes and we get so mad him we almost become Atheists. We stop communicating with the Lord and we suppress all this anger, all this disappointment. In the name of dying to self, this false humility at it greatest height. Why? Because God our Father touched that one area they nobody had ever touched before. And instead of being bluntly honest with the Lord and telling our best friend what going on, we shroud themselves in a nice self rightous, false humility robe, claiming we dying to self. All we are doing is pressing it down in our soul for it to come out in greater anger later on.
The fire of God fell on Jesus Christ:42 He said, “Father, if it’s your will, take this cup of suffering away from me. However, not my will but your will must be done.” No false humility here, no self rigtheousness. Just a man who is God in the flesh talking in true blunt honesty with his Father. Brothers and Sister we can't handle the fire of God. There only one that handle the fire. It can ony be the Man "Jesus Christ". The NEW MAN. The Christ in us can face this kind of heat. But we are going to have to be honest with ourselves and the Lord. Our hardness and our stubborness is going to be destroyed. Jesus is the the author and finisher of Faith and we are NOT.

He is our BEST FRIEND. We really don't have anyone else. Sorry. Friends are there but they really don't live inside of us. Christ does and will continue on to do so.

Love in him!

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

ANANDA:
Do you believe in spiritual gifts? Zone has told me before that I was outside Christ's church for believing that spiritual gifts still exist and has told me that I was not a child of God but was leading people astray as a false teacher

someone should stop whining and obssessing about zone.
you have been a false teacher: that's a natural fact dear.
just go back and look at your entre.

ANANDA:
grace is for GOD to give to those who truly are repentant. I have forgiven her but I do not forget especially when she sees fit to belittle me in other post and misrepresents anything I say that she perceives is against HER doctrine.

YOU CLAIMED TO CHANNEL JESUS (among other fabrications).
an extremely serious offense that got one stoned in the OT.
i don't reckon The LORD cares for it now either.
and you haven't repented.

so, have you received the grace you speak of ananda?
our sins must be confessed to the Lord (not buried and covered up).



1) what in the world does "saved in sin" have to do with the BOGUS Freemasonic New Apostolic Restoration/Reformation and Charismatic Chaos?

2) have you sipped any cyanide lately? (no, cuz you'd be dead).



me too.
what's that got to do with the "offices of Apostle and prophet" for today?



LOL!
Christians who walk by faith not sight, and do not require signs or miraculous powers (which ceased after the Apostolic era) are CARNAL?

ehehehe....check out yer local hyper-pentecostal THIRD WAVE CHURCH.
that's carnality.

DRUNK IN THE SPIRIT?
sure thing.

BTW - I'm not Pentecostal nor have I ever been "drunk in the spirit". However, I have laid hands on the sick and asked God to heal them and they did recover. As for my beliefs, I believe in the authority of scripture in light of the Holy Spirit. Not some neo-Calvinistic belief that is less than 75 years old.

1 Cor 12:28

And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.

 

[zone]

Well I see attacks all the time by her, do you ever say anything about those attacks? Did you defend wakeup? Why are you defending a attacker of Gods children? I'm wondering about that? Anyone could put anything about God up and she would have a negative remark. The bible says to rebuke and that is what wakeup did. It was long needed and I loved it.

i'm sure.
the charismatic word faith demonbuster crowd hates me.
i'm ok with that

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

Someone has been spending too much time listening to John McArthur instead of reading her bible. Scripture is the only authority and if many preaches a different gospel than that which is the gospel they are a false teacher. Nowhere in the bible does is state that the gifts have ceased in the church age which began at Pentecost and will end when Christ (the truly perfect one) returns.

Again I say, the bible plainly states that sin grieves the Holy Spirit, the giver of the gifts. Could it be that the Holy Spirit has never given you a gift because He is grieved over something in your life that you are holding onto some sort of sin (possibly out of a sense of religious pride) that He has been trying to prune? After all Christ is the vine, we are the branches and Spirit of God is the vine dresser (master pruner).

Granted scripture does say that not all shall speak in tongues, or prophecy or heal the sick. However it is available to those who earnestly seek HIM not it. I personally do not focus on the gifts, I believe it is wrong to do so. I will admit that I personally have seen hyper spiritualism in the lives of other believers who focus more on the gifts rather than the giver of the gifts.

I personally worry more about believers understanding that the vast majority of sin in our lives is a personal choice and that God always provides an escape in the moment of temptation when we truly understand God's grace.There is no such thing as being free from sin while being enslaved by it.

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

i'm sure.
the charismatic word faith demonbuster crowd hates me.
i'm ok with that

I don't hate you. In fact, my heart goes out to you. I see so much zeal which can be a good thing if pointed in the right direction.

 

[zone]

Someone has been spending too much time listening to John McArthur instead of reading her bible. Scripture is the only authority and if many preaches a different gospel than that which is the gospel they are a false teacher. Nowhere in the bible does is state that the gifts have ceased in the church age which began at Pentecost and will end when Christ (the truly perfect one) returns.

Again I say, the bible plainly states that sin grieves the Holy Spirit, the giver of the gifts. Could it be that the Holy Spirit has never given you a gift because He is grieved over something in your life that you are holding onto some sort of sin (possibly out of a sense of religious pride) that He has been trying to prune? After all Christ is the vine, we are the branches and Spirit of God is the vine dresser (master pruner).

the Lord doesn't give the gift of The Holy Spirit to those who repent of their unbelief and believe on Jesus?

never said any such thing.

ummm....let's see:

1) was i suddenly able to speak Russian or Spanish (not having had to learn them first)?
no. no need for it: the gospel goes out into all the nations in their own languages now, and they have their own interpreters.

2) were previously unrevealed parts of God's Redemptive Plan given to me to speak to the Apostles and their scribes?
no. no need for it. that which is fully complete has come.

3) am i able to raise the dead (who died anyway) or heal the sick (who died anyway) by my shadow passing over them?
no. those mircaulous signs that followed the Apostles and disciples were SIGNS of their authority and the legitimacy of their commission.

4) did i receive an anointing to be an Apostle? what for? they already laid the foundation: after Pentecost and the coming of that which is perfect (fully mature, summed up, delivered once for all) the words of the Apostles hold the same authority they did when spoken and written.

what else?

 

[zone]

I don't hate you. In fact, my heart goes out to you. I see so much zeal which can be a good thing if pointed in the right direction.

my zeal is pointed in the right direction friend.
still doing exactly what i was called to do 8 years ago.

what would be the sign to you that had what i apparently lack?

Glossolalia?

Liver shivers?

Trips to the third heaven?

Dreams?

A "word" for the city of NY?

Baptism with Fire? (which actually means JUDGMENT DAY/WRATH)

~ i don't listen to macarthur: his eschatology is all wrong

 

[AnandaHya]

The gifts are very real. Pray for zone the same way you would yourself and your family.

I pray for her more often about every time I see one of her posts or now just when her name pops up, but my heart can take only so much abuse so I have put her and her alias on my ignore list. stay blessed.

YouTube - Casting Crowns Praise You In The Storm

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

The modern concept of Dispensationalism / Cessationism was invented in the 1800s by those looking to justify certain beliefs they held which conflicted with scripture and or prophecy contained in scripture. This belief is common among those who believe in the salvation experience only with little regard to other on going biblical principals such as sanctification and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The reason being that many of these beliefs systems hold to the idea that once saved, God only looks to the indwelling Spirit and completely ignores the flesh thus a person can be saved "in sin" rather from sin as the bible clearly indicates. What these belief systems choose to ignore is that fact that the bible plainly states that the primary role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer is to reveal and help us overcome areas in our lives which prevent us from growing in Spiritual Maturity / Christ likenesss. In fact scripture clearly indicates that the Holy Spirit does not ignore sin but is clearly grieved by sin thus why wouldn't the Holy Spirit be reluctant to give Spiritual gifts to those who willingly choose to be dominated by the flesh rather than submitting to the Holy Spirit. Thus these men came up with the belief that the gifts of the Holy Spirit had ceased with the original 12 Apostles. However if you research the Ante Nicene period, the period in the 2nd and 3rd centuries a.d. before the Catholic church had been established, we do know that many of the gifts were still in operation.


The same men who established the concept of Dispensationalism / Cessationism also came up with both Replacement Theology (the belief that the church replaced the nation of Israel during the endtimes which we now know is not true seeing as the nation of Israel has since been reestablished) as well as Pre Tribulational Rapture ( in order to justify their beliefs in Once Saved Always Saved / Preserverance of the Saints which would be proven false if a believer in such doctrine were to live during the tribulation and take the Mark of the beast which would automatically damn their soul to hell despite their belief ).

 

[livingbygrace]

Granted scripture does say that not all shall speak in tongues, or prophecy or heal the sick. However it is available to those who earnestly seek HIM not it. I personally do not focus on the gifts, I believe it is wrong to do so. I will admit that I personally have seen hyper spiritualism in the lives of other believers who focus more on the gifts rather than the giver of the gifts.

I personally worry more about believers understanding that the vast majority of sin in our lives is a personal choice and that God always provides an escape in the moment of temptation when we truly understand God's grace.There is no such thing as being free from sin while being enslaved by it.

Can I put a hypothetical situation to you?

A person is in a desperate state in their life. They believe God exists. One day in desperation they cry out to God, and aks Jesus into their life as Lord and Saviour and turn their life over to God. God is with them, they have an understanding of Grace. And over time their life changes for the better, they are taken out of the mess they were in and their feet are put on firm ground
Do you remember the post I wrote to you the other day that you agreed with? Christianity is a progression. At first the person swamped by sin and despair can do nothnig more than cling to Christ and trust him, and live by faith in him to see delivernce from that which binds them
For while they were yet without strength Christ died for them

But when a persons feet have been put on firm ground, when they have been delivered from much that was destroying them, when they have gained strength through faith in Christ, they are now called by Christ to fulfill the promise they made to him when they were in a desperate mess.
He wants them now to take up the cross he has put before them and follow him. To give from the heart what he requires of them
But the person balks. They turned to Christ in desperation due to the dire state of their life, they want to be a Christian, they don't want to turn their back on God, but at the same time they will not give what Christ requires from them
How do you think their life with God will or will not progress?

I ask you this because I like reading your posts and I know your heart is in the right place, and I believe such a scenario as mentioned is relevant to the discussion you are having on this thread

 

[zone]

The modern concept of Dispensationalism / Cessationism was invented in the 1800s by those looking to justify certain beliefs they held which conflicted with scripture and or prophecy contained in scripture. This belief is common among those who believe in the salvation experience only with little regard to other on going biblical principals such as sanctification and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The reason being that many of these beliefs systems hold to the idea that once saved, God only looks to the indwelling Spirit and completely ignores the flesh thus a person can be saved "in sin" rather from sin as the bible clearly indicates. What these belief systems choose to ignore is that fact that the bible plainly states that the primary role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer is to reveal and help us overcome areas in our lives which prevent us from growing in Spiritual Maturity / Christ likenesss. In fact scripture clearly indicates that the Holy Spirit does not ignore sin but is clearly grieved by sin thus why wouldn't the Holy Spirit be reluctant to give Spiritual gifts to those who willingly choose to be dominated by the flesh rather than submitting to the Holy Spirit. Thus these men came up with the belief that the gifts of the Holy Spirit had ceased with the original 12 Apostles. However if you research the Ante Nicene period, the period in the 2nd and 3rd centuries a.d. before the Catholic church had been established, we do know that many of the gifts were still in operation.


The same men who established the concept of Dispensationalism / Cessationism also came up with both Replacement Theology (the belief that the church replaced the nation of Israel during the endtimes which we now know is not true seeing as the nation of Israel has since been reestablished) as well as Pre Tribulational Rapture ( in order to justify their beliefs in Once Saved Always Saved / Preserverance of the Saints which would be proven false if a believer in such doctrine were to live during the tribulation and take the Mark of the beast which would automatically damn their soul to hell despite their belief ).

um....nah.
you got everything jumbled together.

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

Can I put a hypothetical situation to you?

A person is in a desperate state in their life. They believe God exists. One day in desperation they cry out to God, and aks Jesus into their life as Lord and Saviour and turn their life over to God. God is with them, they have an understanding of Grace. And over time their life changes for the better, they are taken out of the mess they were in and their feet are put on firm ground
Do you remember the post I wrote to you the other day that you agreed with? Christianity is a progression. At first the person swamped by sin and despair can do nothnig more than cling to Christ and trust him, and live by faith in him to see delivernce from that which binds them
For while they were yet without strength Christ died for them

But when a persons feet have been put on firm ground, when they have been delivered from much that was destroying them, when they have gained strength through faith in Christ, they are now called by Christ to fulfill the promise they made to him when they were in a desperate mess.
He wants them now to take up the cross he has put before them and follow him. To give from the heart what he requires of them
But the person balks. They turned to Christ in desperation due to the dire state of their life, they want to be a Christian, they don't want to turn their back on God, but at the same time they will not give what Christ requires from them
How do you think their life with God will or will not progress?

I ask you this because I like reading your posts and I know your heart is in the right place, and I believe such a scenario as mentioned is relevant to the discussion you are having on this thread

Again I agree with you. In fact, I was in a simular situation several years ago. However, everything in my Spirit told me that I was not walking in true victory. That's when I delved deep into both scripture and church history and begun studying sanctification as well as the lives of those men (and women) whom God has used over the centuries to save hundreds of thousands. They preached the same message: total submition and reliance on the Holy Spirit brings victory over the flesh, that is if we desire it. And while I will admit that I still have stumbled from time to time, God have never failed to deliver me from my flesh when I called upon his name in the moment of temptation.

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

um....nah.
you got everything jumbled together.

Of course different men came up with different concepts and it did take time for the concepts to form however those concepts were widely embraced with the publication of certain english bible in the 1800's (which name slips my mind) and because of that, these three principles were widely embraced and taught. They have since become widely accepted religious tradition and have little to do with true biblical scholarship.