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Jackson123

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Good day sir, I am sick of going around and round

you do not believe jesus meant what he said in those passages in john that’s all i need to know
So you judge me of not Being believe in Jesus?

Do you believe in John 15:6.
No abide > Cut an burn

Do you believe in 1 cor 6:9-11.

Killer not go to heaven?

No you don't
You believe they are Lie to you

You believe killer No need repent and go to heaven only lose the reward

Because David kill bethzeba.

Nothing I can do my friend, No body can force you to believe 1 cor 6:9-11
 

ForestGreenCook

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Love this, though one thing I'd turn around a bit.

We don't accumulate merit because we already have the merit. God saw us and He saw a person worth dying for. The issue with those who work isn't that their works aren't valuable, but they are trying to make themselves more valuable through their works and nothing is worth more than the blood of Jesus.
If you think that we all are good enough to be worth dying for, I think you are mistaken. God says our righteousness is as filthy rags.

The only righteousness that we have is the imputed righteousness of Christ, if we have been born again.
 

ForestGreenCook

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So if both are true, then the only conclusion to draw is that, faith and works are both required for one not to be dead?
If God has quickened you, you are spiritually alive, all that are quickened have spiritual faith, but many do not do good works.
 

Jackson123

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Its important to see who James is writing to . Its to the 12 tribes , so I think applying James to the church in total is a mistake .
Is that mean you believe only for Israel faith without work is dead, for us faith and kill is a life
 

Jackson123

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For the Body of Christ, we follow Romans 4:5
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Not work

Is killing other people consider work work? Or not work

4.Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Kill = work

Now to him that work= now to him that kill
 
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5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Not work

Is killing other people consider work work? Or not work

4.Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Kill = work

Now to him that work= now to him that kill
If you kill others after you believe in 1 Cor 15:1-4, I will say you will get to heaven even faster since many countries have death penalty for murder
 
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If you think that we all are good enough to be worth dying for, I think you are mistaken. God says our righteousness is as filthy rags.

The only righteousness that we have is the imputed righteousness of Christ, if we have been born again.
You really need to read Isaiah 64 in context, as the manner you're using it is not a proper understanding.

God thought I was worth dying for since He did it. To diminish the value of man is to say God did something that was less than good.
 

Jackson123

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If you kill others after you believe in 1 Cor 15:1-4, I will say you will get to heaven even faster since many countries have death penalty for murder
So you believe killing people Will help you to get to heaven faster,

Why you don't kill 100 people?
 
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To my knoledge abide mean invite Jesus to come as the King in our heart, lE Him have us, not us anymore, let Him decide what we do. Let His plan not our plan, do His Will, not our Will.
Ok...but what does that mean, practically?

We certainly need to submit our wills to Jesus, but it seems to me in order to abide in Jesus we've got to simply trust Him when He says His grace is sufficient.
 

throughfaith

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Yep, faith/believe the bible come from hearing

No body hear If No body make a dound

So let make a sound about Jesus, to make people hear.
Amen .
I would disagree, I think the key to understanding James is his audience for sure, however also important the type of justification he is addressing. It is not spiritual justification.
Whats your thoughts on the '12 tribes '?
 

Jackson123

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Ok...but what does that mean, practically?

We certainly need to submit our wills to Jesus, but it seems to me in order to abide in Jesus we've got to simply trust Him when He says His grace is sufficient.
Yep,
2 cor 12
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
 

Just_Jo

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I'm so sorry for the lack of patience and love I see simply bc of a language barrier.

Yes English is a world wide language but NOT ALL written is easy to communicate nor understand where a person is coming from.



Peace among us all
 

Chester

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Its important to see who James is writing to . Its to the 12 tribes , so I think applying James to the church in total is a mistake .
So do you think as well that the Great Commission and everything else that Jesus said to the disciples was only for them, and should not be applied to believers today?
 

throughfaith

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So do you think as well that the Great Commission and everything else that Jesus said to the disciples was only for them, and should not be applied to believers today?
Yes we see this in the epistles that we should preach to all . And it depends on what verse you mean. Do we follow everything Jesus said to the disciples? of course not .
5¶These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
Mat 10.6
 

throughfaith

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John 3:16 is a simple straightforward verse:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The one who is continuing to believe (Greek present tense) will not perish, but is continuing to have (Greek present tense) everlasting life. Other Scriptures are clear that the one who is not believing in Jesus does not have eternal life. The verse does not say that once a person believes that they will always believe. Nor does it say that once a person has eternal life that they will always have eternal life. It just says the one who continues to believe will not perish and is having everlasting life! A wonderful truth! Hallellujah!

If a believer in Jesus commits a murder he is forgiven for that sin and thus he is not a "murderer". The grace and love and mercy of God is far greater and broader than most of us have any idea. But it is incongruent and incompatible for a believer with the Holy Spirit of God dwelling in Him to commmit a murder - James - teaches that a true faith will show by its works.

The issue of how a person is saved is not works -- we are not saved by our works nor are we kept saved by our works. But a true real faith will produce works - faith without works is dead James says. Hence James talks of being justified by works.
What do you make of these verses ?
eph 4 .30
30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption ?
 
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James 1

My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces [a]patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; 20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

Therefore lay aside all filthiness and [d]overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

26 If anyone [e]among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless. 27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

remember folks, this is written to jews only. Has no bearing on the gentile church :rolleyes: