The Rapture Thief Robs Jesuit Futurism Of The 7 Years Of Tribulation
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Do you really think that Revelation 7:9-14 illustrates a scene in which "more will arrive later"...???
You want to show me where it [actually] STATES the opposite? Yeah - I wanna see that...
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Do you see that Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5, and Revelation 19:11 coincide (same event/time) - and, represent a Pre-Wrath event in time?
You want to show me where it [actually] STATES the opposite? Yeah - I wanna see that...
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Do you see that Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5, and Revelation 19:11 coincide (same event/time) - and, represent a Pre-Wrath event in time?
Imagine that,
A thief coming with a huge army in glory with a trumpet blast and destroying evil with fire proceeding from him.
And every eye shall see him.
"...as a thief"
Could be you need to re examine that dynamic...if that is where you are designating a smoking gun.
Iow one or 2 verses are not placed in the bible to trump 6 or 8 others.
You are trying to frame a doctrine over isolating verses.
A thief coming with a huge army in glory with a trumpet blast and destroying evil with fire proceeding from him.
And every eye shall see him.
"...as a thief"
Could be you need to re examine that dynamic...if that is where you are designating a smoking gun.
Iow one or 2 verses are not placed in the bible to trump 6 or 8 others.
You are trying to frame a doctrine over isolating verses.
I did/have.
When I said all-inclusive (with regard to the scene in Revelation 7:9-14), I meant that - everyone who will ever be included in the group in the scene is already there in the scene.
The statement made by the elder in verse 14 refers to the all-inclusive group that came out of "great tribulation" - all of the tribulation - the whole tribulation - not just a part of it.
Of course they are - the time is come - the harvest is ripe - the dead, the living - everyone who belongs to Christ.
Do you know why the last part of Revelation 14:15 is stated the way it is? Do you know why "the time is come" and "the harvest ... is ripe" (i.e. - Do you know what mark in time is this referring to?).
Pssst... The dead-in-Christ are included. And, that would be - after the GT.
When I said all-inclusive (with regard to the scene in Revelation 7:9-14), I meant that - everyone who will ever be included in the group in the scene is already there in the scene.
The statement made by the elder in verse 14 refers to the all-inclusive group that came out of "great tribulation" - all of the tribulation - the whole tribulation - not just a part of it.
Of course they are - the time is come - the harvest is ripe - the dead, the living - everyone who belongs to Christ.
Do you know why the last part of Revelation 14:15 is stated the way it is? Do you know why "the time is come" and "the harvest ... is ripe" (i.e. - Do you know what mark in time is this referring to?).
Pssst... The dead-in-Christ are included. And, that would be - after the GT.
Or perhaps it is saying the dead are resurrected first, then those who outlived the resurrection are caught up with them when they die? Perhaps Paul assumed they would understand that you have to die first before you can go to heaven which is the way it has been for nearly 2,000 years. This would then agree with Heb 9:27. I don't like conflicting passages.
You seem to be quite confused.
According to Scripture the Resurrection/Rapture is ONE EVENT in two phases but within the twinkling of an eye (in nanoseconds). The saints who had died will be resurrected and receive glorified bodies (having been perfected), while the saints who are alive at that time will be transformed, perfected, glorified. All of this is supernatural and wrought be the power of God and Christ. It is also the culmination of salvation which is in three phases: (1) justification (2) sanctification, and (3) glorification.
At the Resurrection/Rapture Christ does NOT descend to earth but comes "in the air", and then returns with all the saints to Heaven, in anticipation of the Marriage of the Lamb.
At the same time, we need to see that the Bible speaks of "the First Resurrection" and (by implication) it means that there is a Second Resurrection.
The First Resurrection is for the righteous but it is actually in three phases (just like a Hebrew harvest): (1) Christ the First Fruits, (2) all the saints at the Resurrection/Rapture (the main harvest), and (3) the Tribulation saints (as the gleanings).
The Second (and last) Resurrection is for the unrighteous or unsaved dead. This happens at the Great White Throne Judgment.
According to Scripture the Resurrection/Rapture is ONE EVENT in two phases but within the twinkling of an eye (in nanoseconds). The saints who had died will be resurrected and receive glorified bodies (having been perfected), while the saints who are alive at that time will be transformed, perfected, glorified. All of this is supernatural and wrought be the power of God and Christ. It is also the culmination of salvation which is in three phases: (1) justification (2) sanctification, and (3) glorification.
At the Resurrection/Rapture Christ does NOT descend to earth but comes "in the air", and then returns with all the saints to Heaven, in anticipation of the Marriage of the Lamb.
At the same time, we need to see that the Bible speaks of "the First Resurrection" and (by implication) it means that there is a Second Resurrection.
The First Resurrection is for the righteous but it is actually in three phases (just like a Hebrew harvest): (1) Christ the First Fruits, (2) all the saints at the Resurrection/Rapture (the main harvest), and (3) the Tribulation saints (as the gleanings).
The Second (and last) Resurrection is for the unrighteous or unsaved dead. This happens at the Great White Throne Judgment.
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The 5 wise virgins leave their dwelling (earth)
Postribs need noah removed after the flood,lot removed after sodoms destruction,and the 5 wise virgins returning to the brides home.(since they believe in the rapture uturn in the sky)
So far off it is comical.
They further need the one left on the rooftop to be taken also, in their postrib rapture model , since they say the one taken is the wicked ones with the mark of the beast.
The 5 wise virgins leave their dwelling (earth)
Postribs need noah removed after the flood,lot removed after sodoms destruction,and the 5 wise virgins returning to the brides home.(since they believe in the rapture uturn in the sky)
So far off it is comical.
They further need the one left on the rooftop to be taken also, in their postrib rapture model , since they say the one taken is the wicked ones with the mark of the beast.