This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

[tourist]

The scientists say that hydroxy is'nt effective. Useless.

That is contrary to the opinion of the medical community.

 

[Dude653]

We should build a monument to saint Karen the mildly inconvenienced
We will put a placard on it that says
"You can't make me wear a mask"

 

[ev4989]

Thank you. I did understand your premise in that you said scientists say that HCQ isn't effective, and I know you meant for Covid 19, useless.
What I am asking is for the evidence that the scientists you're referring to have indeed stated that. Links to those scientists you say have said Hydroxy, HCQ, isn't effective in treating Covid 19.

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Original source from whence the Covid study link was derived. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-hcq-not-effective-10-late-treatment-studies/

I googled this. Not one country has used this drug for the virus. But today. Russia announced that they have the cure. Although scientists there say that it did not pass the third stage of testing....

 

[ev4989]

That is contrary to the opinion of the medical community.

I meant for the virus. I know that it is essential for treating lupus and malaria.

 

[tourist]

I meant for the virus. I know that it is essential for treating lupus and malaria.

There are many doctors that have had good results treating corona patients. The death rate is much lower with those that are treated with this drug than those that are not.

 

[StrugglingTilMyReward]

We should build a monument to saint Karen the mildly inconvenienced
We will put a placard on it that says
"You can't make me wear a mask"

In my view it's the Karens of the world who think that a piece of cloth will stop a pathogen, pretty much akin to those who think a simple wall will stop illegal immigration.

 

[Dude653]

In my view it's the Karens of the world who think that a piece of cloth will stop a pathogen, pretty much akin to those who think a simple wall will stop illegal immigration.

The virus is spread by moisture from the lungs. They mask helps reduce that

 

[Scribe]

The virus is spread by moisture from the lungs. They mask helps reduce that

Oh Look! That rare thing called common sense!

 

[Absolutely]

I don't understand your question. You want me to research the scientists that did the studies proving it ineffective to covid 19? Did I miss something? has it been approved?

it was available in france ,over the counter.

guess when it became "dangerous" and pulled from shelves?

you guessed it ...a few weeks before the "pandemic"

We are being duped friend.

 

[Absolutely]

I meant for the virus. I know that it is essential for treating lupus and malaria.

Straight up no brainer fact...HCQ with zinc kills the virus.

Propaganda....HCQ does not work.

research it....outside the propaganda.

 

[Absolutely]

Oh Look! That rare thing called common sense!

Yes where is common sense.
The MAIN VEHICLE for transmission is contact. Not air born contamination.
A sick person uses the keypad at the register and you touch it 30 seconds later etc.

they would have to sneeze in your face or cough. THEN a mask would help.

the well people running around in masks is no more than a placebo.

ridiculous waste.

 

[Moses_Young]

Thank you. I did understand your premise in that you said scientists say that HCQ isn't effective, and I know you meant for Covid 19, useless.
What I am asking is for the evidence that the scientists you're referring to have indeed stated that. Links to those scientists you say have said Hydroxy, HCQ, isn't effective in treating Covid 19.

Lol. You've gotta be careful of those non-practicing scientists. They like to make claims that they hope will get acceptance 'cause they're scientists, but when you ask 'em for the proof, they get all quiet-like.

 

[kaylagrl]

We should build a monument to saint Karen the mildly inconvenienced
We will put a placard on it that says
"You can't make me wear a mask"

Here's my issue with the mask. When this started, the expert Fauci said not to wear them because you touch your face too often and put yourself at greater risk. So early in Spring when they were screaming flatten the curve we social distanced, we washed/sanitized our hands, if we could find sanitizer, and stayed home. I remember about two wks. where they said this was a crucial time, we needed to stay home if possible, if not wash hands social distance. At one point only one family member was allowed in the stores at a time, yes, we did that. Then great news, the flattened the curve, without any mask wearing, no mandate in place. Masks were dangerous to wear. Then we begin to open up and bam masks have to be worn. If you don't wear a mask you're akin to a murderer. How could you even think to go in public without wearing a mask?! You horrible person you. So which is it, someone enlighten me. Why through the worst of this were masks considered dangerous and now you're a "Karen" if you don't want to wear one? Either Fauci was wrong, or he was lying. Which is it?! How did we flatten the curve if we weren't wearing masks?! It's ridiculous. And if you ask questions, you're against science. smh

I have a few questions. Like why does the Rona know the difference between church and the Liquor Barn? Why can't people go to a park or go camping, but they can protest and riot? How does Rona know the difference? Why were cancer patients held off on important surgeries, my mothers was almost canceled, but the abortion clinics were still going full tilt?! This Rona is awful flippin smart. Yeah, some of us have questions after we bought into this deal and saw that while we were locked down in fear of endangering our loved ones, the Chicago mayor went and got a haircut. Now we have teachers writing their own obits. talk about your drama! My father is an essential worker, works for Fed Ex. My mother was going through cancer treatments at the height of this and then surgery. He was told he'd be fired if he didn't do his job. Having no choice he went to work, and having no where to go, went home to my mother every night. They had no PPE, they had no social distancing, still don't, and no hand sanitizer. Just the other day they gave him a cheap scarf to pull up over his face. They had nothing. He's in the risk category because of his age and health issues. Notice to teachers, you're not special, you're an essential worker, get out and do your flippin job like every other essential worker. Tired of the hypocrisy of all this. Sorry for the rant, not against you bro. Just tired of the foolishness.

 

[gb9]

Here's my issue with the mask. When this started, the expert Fauci said not to wear them because you touch your face too often and put yourself at greater risk. So early in Spring when they were screaming flatten the curve we social distanced, we washed/sanitized our hands, if we could find sanitizer, and stayed home. I remember about two wks. where they said this was a crucial time, we needed to stay home if possible, if not wash hands social distance. At one point only one family member was allowed in the stores at a time, yes, we did that. Then great news, the flattened the curve, without any mask wearing, no mandate in place. Masks were dangerous to wear. Then we begin to open up and bam masks have to be worn. If you don't wear a mask you're akin to a murderer. How could you even think to go in public without wearing a mask?! You horrible person you. So which is it, someone enlighten me. Why through the worst of this were masks considered dangerous and now you're a "Karen" if you don't want to wear one? Either Fauci was wrong, or he was lying. Which is it?! How did we flatten the curve if we weren't wearing masks?! It's ridiculous. And if you ask questions, you're against science. smh

I have a few questions. Like why does the Rona know the difference between church and the Liquor Barn? Why can't people go to a park or go camping, but they can protest and riot? How does Rona know the difference? Why were cancer patients held off on important surgeries, my mothers was almost canceled, but the abortion clinics were still going full tilt?! This Rona is awful flippin smart. Yeah, some of us have questions after we bought into this deal and saw that while we were locked down in fear of endangering our loved ones, the Chicago mayor went and got a haircut. Now we have teachers writing their own obits. talk about your drama! My father is an essential worker, works for Fed Ex. My mother was going through cancer treatments at the height of this and then surgery. He was told he'd be fired if he didn't do his job. Having no choice he went to work, and having no where to go, went home to my mother every night. They had no PPE, they had no social distancing, still don't, and no hand sanitizer. Just the other day they gave him a cheap scarf to pull up over his face. They had nothing. He's in the risk category because of his age and health issues. Notice to teachers, you're not special, you're an essential worker, get out and do your flippin job like every other essential worker. Tired of the hypocrisy of all this. Sorry for the rant, not against you bro. Just tired of the foolishness.

^ my aunt works at a major college in the south ( won't say which one, but the college is in the southeastern conference ), some grad students and facility had a " die in" where they lay down and pretend to die, holding signs with obits written on them.


and. my aunt has a office, shares a short hallway with 2 other women. all the offices have doors that can be closed. one of the women complained that she did not feel safe, so the univ. has them on a staggered schedule , alternating days with coming in / working from home.

so, as long as people keep giving in to these silly demands, the silly demands will keep coming. and getting sillier.

 

[ev4989]

In my view it's the Karens of the world who think that a piece of cloth will stop a pathogen, pretty much akin to those who think a simple wall will stop illegal immigration.

Yeah, do to the fact that 90% of immigrants come by plane. lol...

 

[StrugglingTilMyReward]

The virus is spread by moisture from the lungs. They mask helps reduce that

McMaster university in Canada, one of our leading medical schools....they studied over 100 years of research into masks, funded by the WHO and even they couldn't conclude that masks have any definite benefit. Here is their conclusion:

Given the severity of this pandemic and the difficulty of control, we suggest that the possible benefit of a modest reduction in transmission likely outweighs the possibility of harm.

So in plain English they're saying there might be a benefit, possibly....maybe a modest one. But they also acknowledge the possibility that having the general public wear masks also brings the potential for harm. What harm you may ask? It comes from the only study ever done on the efficacy of cloth masks (the ones people are being advised to wear) that showed a significantly increased risk of respiratory infection because warm moist cloth is a great breeding ground for pathogens of all types.

Given that there is only a small possible benefit, and also the risk of harm from wearing cloth masks I believe it should have been left up to individuals to wear one if they choose. Life is risky business, nobody should be forced to take risks.

 

[soggykitten]

I googled this. Not one country has used this drug for the virus. But today. Russia announced that they have the cure. Although scientists there say that it did not pass the third stage of testing....

Sermo
Largest Statistically Significant Study by 6,200 Multi-Country Physicians on COVID-19 Uncovers Treatment Patterns and Puts Pandemic in Context
April 2, 2020



Treatments & Efficacy

• The three most commonly prescribed treatments amongst COVID-19 treaters are 56% analgesics, 41% Azithromycin, and 33% Hydroxychloroquine
• Hydroxychloroquine usage amongst COVID-19 treaters is 72% in Spain, 49% in Italy, 41% in Brazil, 39% in Mexico, 28% in France, 23% in the U.S., 17% in Germany, 16% in Canada, 13% in the UK and 7% in Japan
• Hydroxychloroquine was overall chosen as the most effective therapy amongst COVID-19 treaters from a list of 15 options (37% of COVID-19 treaters)
  • 75% in Spain, 53% Italy, 44% in China, 43% in Brazil, 29% in France, 23% in the U.S. and 13% in the U.K.
• The two most common treatment regimens for Hydroxychloroquine were:
  • (38%) 400mg twice daily on day one; 400 mg daily for five days
  • (26%) 400mg twice daily on day one; 200mg twice daily for four days
• Outside the U.S., Hydroxychloroquine was equally used for diagnosed patients with mild to severe symptoms whereas in the U.S. it was most commonly used for high risk diagnosed patients
• Globally, 19% of physicians prescribed or have seen Hydroxychloroquine prophylactically used for high risk patients, and 8% for low risk patients

 

[soggykitten]

Yeah, do to the fact that 90% of immigrants come by plane. lol...

I believe the member was referring to undocumented immigration and immigrants.

 

[soggykitten]

Here's my issue with the mask. When this started, the expert Fauci said not to wear them because you touch your face too often and put yourself at greater risk. So early in Spring when they were screaming flatten the curve we social distanced, we washed/sanitized our hands, if we could find sanitizer, and stayed home. I remember about two wks. where they said this was a crucial time, we needed to stay home if possible, if not wash hands social distance. At one point only one family member was allowed in the stores at a time, yes, we did that. Then great news, the flattened the curve, without any mask wearing, no mandate in place. Masks were dangerous to wear. Then we begin to open up and bam masks have to be worn. If you don't wear a mask you're akin to a murderer. How could you even think to go in public without wearing a mask?! You horrible person you. So which is it, someone enlighten me. Why through the worst of this were masks considered dangerous and now you're a "Karen" if you don't want to wear one? Either Fauci was wrong, or he was lying. Which is it?! How did we flatten the curve if we weren't wearing masks?! It's ridiculous. And if you ask questions, you're against science. smh

I have a few questions. Like why does the Rona know the difference between church and the Liquor Barn? Why can't people go to a park or go camping, but they can protest and riot? How does Rona know the difference? Why were cancer patients held off on important surgeries, my mothers was almost canceled, but the abortion clinics were still going full tilt?! This Rona is awful flippin smart. Yeah, some of us have questions after we bought into this deal and saw that while we were locked down in fear of endangering our loved ones, the Chicago mayor went and got a haircut. Now we have teachers writing their own obits. talk about your drama! My father is an essential worker, works for Fed Ex. My mother was going through cancer treatments at the height of this and then surgery. He was told he'd be fired if he didn't do his job. Having no choice he went to work, and having no where to go, went home to my mother every night. They had no PPE, they had no social distancing, still don't, and no hand sanitizer. Just the other day they gave him a cheap scarf to pull up over his face. They had nothing. He's in the risk category because of his age and health issues. Notice to teachers, you're not special, you're an essential worker, get out and do your flippin job like every other essential worker. Tired of the hypocrisy of all this. Sorry for the rant, not against you bro. Just tired of the foolishness.

It's hard to miss that some of the things we were being told to do to keep ourselves safe are now being walked back.
Neck Gaiters for COVID-19 Worse Than No Face Covering At All

 

[ev4989]

^ my aunt works at a major college in the south ( won't say which one, but the college is in the southeastern conference ), some grad students and facility had a " die in" where they lay down and pretend to die, holding signs with obits written on them.


and. my aunt has a office, shares a short hallway with 2 other women. all the offices have doors that can be closed. one of the women complained that she did not feel safe, so the univ. has them on a staggered schedule , alternating days with coming in / working from home.

so, as long as people keep giving in to these silly demands, the silly demands will keep coming. and getting sillier.

Sermo
Largest Statistically Significant Study by 6,200 Multi-Country Physicians on COVID-19 Uncovers Treatment Patterns and Puts Pandemic in Context
April 2, 2020



Treatments & Efficacy

• The three most commonly prescribed treatments amongst COVID-19 treaters are 56% analgesics, 41% Azithromycin, and 33% Hydroxychloroquine
• Hydroxychloroquine usage amongst COVID-19 treaters is 72% in Spain, 49% in Italy, 41% in Brazil, 39% in Mexico, 28% in France, 23% in the U.S., 17% in Germany, 16% in Canada, 13% in the UK and 7% in Japan
• Hydroxychloroquine was overall chosen as the most effective therapy amongst COVID-19 treaters from a list of 15 options (37% of COVID-19 treaters)
  • 75% in Spain, 53% Italy, 44% in China, 43% in Brazil, 29% in France, 23% in the U.S. and 13% in the U.K.
• The two most common treatment regimens for Hydroxychloroquine were:
  • (38%) 400mg twice daily on day one; 400 mg daily for five days
  • (26%) 400mg twice daily on day one; 200mg twice daily for four days
• Outside the U.S., Hydroxychloroquine was equally used for diagnosed patients with mild to severe symptoms whereas in the U.S. it was most commonly used for high risk diagnosed patients
• Globally, 19% of physicians prescribed or have seen Hydroxychloroquine prophylactically used for high risk patients, and 8% for low risk patients

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I believe the member was referring to undocumented immigration and immigrants.

I Know this is what I was talking about. 90% of aii immigrants come here by plane.