Do you strive to make your calling and election sure?

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we are Justified ( rom 5:1 )
With the heart man believes unto righteousness, or being right or just. Justification is the work of the cross for all who believe.
With the mouth he confesses unto salvation
Confession of Jesus as lord is a different matter then believing. It is not lip service but genuine submitting to His lordship over our lives that saves us.
Why call me Lord Lord and not do what I say.

Just because the justification was Christ's work alone does not free you from the required giving yourself over to His Lordship in obedience from the heart for your salvation.

We are sanctified 1cor 1.2 and 1 cor 6:11 .
1cor 1.2
To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people

A qualifier as to who the church really is.
It does not say that because you are part the “church” that you are sanctified. Rather it says those who are the Church are those who have been sanctified (set apart) in Christ Jesus “Called” to be His Holy People.


1 cor 6:11
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God and that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

That does not say because you are “Christian” now that you are sanctified.
Rather the opposite, it is a warning to those “Christians” who are not sanctified telling them they should not expect to inherit the kingdom of God.
If you are no longer sinful and wicked, Then you have been washed and you have been sanctified… Then these things are true of you.
He says do not be deceived, it is not some rose colored glasses God wears to give you a pass because you say the magic words or give some mental ascent to the truth of something.

Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does
what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous - 1 John 3:7

Predestined to future Glorification. Rom 8.23/ Eph 1.5
True; IF...
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
(Led by the spirit of God into meeting all of these if’s)
15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

Eph 1.5
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world,
(That is to say in creating man he predestined those who would believe in there hearts and confess with the mouths Jesus as Lord and be saved and those who did not to everlasting fire.)
that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses (trespass is the outward violation but iniquity is the source of sin, that is the realm of the salvation work of sanctification that you are commanded to work out with fear and trembling. AKA make you calling and election sure), according to the riches of His grace 8which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed
( in the day a letter was sealed with wax or clay and was legally binding if the seal remained unbroken, that seal was placed on our hope, our belief ) in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge ( a down payment, part of any good contract showing the good faith intent of the one who made it. In other words, God will hold up His end if we continue in faith and do not break that seal ) of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

As far as God is concerned it is a done deal.
As far as we are concerned it is not.

Consider this...
That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either. Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. (continued belief / active faith giving yourself to His Lordship) Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again - Romans 11:20-23

while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death (past tense) of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Romans 5-10
Two separate things.
 
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So what is born of God is corruptible and goes to hell?
The seed is good, you just need to abide in the vine.
Until Christ is fully formed in you, Gestation is an at risk time for every new believer.

But until the day dawns and the morning start arises in your hearts
You have the lamp of the word of the prophets and apostles to guide you.
 
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That umbilical of faith in Christ.
 
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“10 Wherefore the rather, Brethren, give diligence to make your Calling and Election sure (this is what Jesus was speaking of when He told us to deny ourselves and take up the Cross daily and follow Him [Lk. 9:23]; every day, the Believer must make certain His Faith is anchored in the Cross and the Cross alone; only then can we realize the tremendous benefits afforded by the Sacrifice of Christ): for if you do these things, you shall never fall (presents the key to Eternal Security, but with the Promise being conditional):

11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the Everlasting Kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. (The entrance into the Kingdom is solely on the basis of Faith evidenced in Christ and the Cross [Eph. 2:13-18; Jn. 3:16].)” 2 Peter 1:10-11

JSM
 
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“10 Wherefore the rather, Brethren, give diligence to make your Calling and Election sure (this is what Jesus was speaking of when He told us to deny ourselves and take up the Cross daily and follow Him [Lk. 9:23]; every day, the Believer must make certain His Faith is anchored in the Cross and the Cross alone; only then can we realize the tremendous benefits afforded by the Sacrifice of Christ): for if you do these things, you shall never fall (presents the key to Eternal Security, but with the Promise being conditional):

11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the Everlasting Kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. (The entrance into the Kingdom is solely on the basis of Faith evidenced in Christ and the Cross [Eph. 2:13-18; Jn. 3:16].)” 2 Peter 1:10-11

JSM
Yes a faith which results in us laying hold of that which Christ laid hold of us for.
What did Christ Jesus lay hold of us for?
There are two parts here. What Christ did or us and what we do with it.

It is one thing to be forgiven of your past transgressions it is another thing to be washed clean of your iniquity of heart.
The cross took care of the first and Christ provided us the authority and power of his Holy Spirit to work out the second.
If we neglect so great a salvation how shall we escape?
Notice the bible says neglect not reject.

This easy believisim is not the Gospel of old.
But saying you have to believe in your heart and give up your current way of life, surrendering to the Lordship of Jesus and do what He says, then tell people to ready yourself in your mind to embrace suffering rather then continue in sin and die is a lot harder a message to sell.
It will not put butts in seats to pay the overhead of the corporation that the Church has largely become.
 

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Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble, and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. - 2 Peter 1:10-11

In your heart are you sure, do you want to be.
Peter tells us how we can be.
My sureness is not found in my heart but in the Promises of God.
 

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The promises of God are conditional.
How many will be lost thinking they have what they do not, saying those very same words?
Baloney, they are unconditional, i.e. grace-based, not law-based.
 
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For He was indeed crucified in weakness, yet He lives by God’s power. And though we are weak in Him, yet by God’s power we will live with Him to serve you. Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Can’t you see for yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you— unless you actually fail the test? And I hope you will realize that we have not failed the test - 2 Cor 13:4-6
 
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Baloney, they are unconditional, i.e. grace-based, not law-based.
Unless you believe in your heart ...
Unless you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord.
If you deny me before men i will deny you before my Father.

It is all about faith and the submission of your life to the Lordship of Jesus in faith.
Why call me Lord Lord and not do what i say?

It is the Lordship of Jesus over our lives that results in salvation.

Was what God has given us a matter of Grace, totally.
Does it come with the condition of faith and the actions that go with that faith, totally?
There is your Baloney, I hope you make a tasty sandwich out of it and eat it all up.
 

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Unless you believe in your heart ...
Unless you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord.
If you deny me before men i will deny you before my Father.

It is all about faith and the submission of your life to the Lordship of Jesus in faith.
Why call me Lord Lord and not do what i say?

It is the Lordship of Jesus over our lives that results in salvation.

Was what God has given us a matter of Grace, totally.
Does it come with the condition of faith and the actions that go with that faith, totally?
There is your Baloney, I hope you make a tasty sandwich out of it and eat it all up.
Do you know the meaning of FREE GIFT?

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
(Rom 5:15-17)

The essence of a gift is UNCONDITIONAL.

You need to learn to live this side of Calvary, and learn not to confuse justification with sanctification, otherwise you have a false Gospel, nay, rather no Gospel!
 
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Do you know the meaning of FREE GIFT?

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
(Rom 5:15-17)

The essence of a gift is UNCONDITIONAL.

You need to learn to live this side of Calvary, and learn not to confuse justification with sanctification, otherwise you have a false Gospel, nay, rather no Gospel!
Yes free something you did not deserve. earn or did not have to pay for, so you can just neglect it as it is has no real value to you rather then use it for the purpose it was given to you for. At least that is what is looks like you are saying from my perspective.

Just because its free does not mean there is no work involved in making use of it.

Do not be deceived it is the righteous who are righteous.
 
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Their is great treasure hidden in a field, the treasure is free but the field will cost you everything.
That's how all the parables about the kingdom of God go.
You can neglect it or you can make it yours.
The Lordship of Jesus Christ over your life is you giving your everything and that great free treasure that you could never afford is yours by faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour.
Nothing your labors or servitude could ever pay for or be worthy of but your obedience in faith makes you His and being His is how you get the treasure of salvation.
 

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Yes free something you did not deserve. earn or did not have to pay for, so you can just neglect it as it is has no real value to you rather then use it for the purpose it was given to you for. At least that is what is looks like you are saying from my perspective.

Just because its free does not mean there is no work involved in making use of it.

Do not be deceived it is the righteous who are righteous.
So is a gift given on conditions or unconditionally?
 
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So is a gift given on conditions or unconditionally?
The gift it free.
if you reject it or neglect it or make full use of it that is up to you.

But if you are given a free gift and you fail to make use of it, have you really received it at all?

If you do not make use of it it is of no benefit to you.
 

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With the heart man believes unto righteousness, or being right or just. Justification is the work of the cross for all who believe.
With the mouth he confesses unto salvation
Confession of Jesus as lord is a different matter then believing. It is not lip service but genuine submitting to His lordship over our lives that saves us.
Why call me Lord Lord and not do what I say.

Just because the justification was Christ's work alone does not free you from the required giving yourself over to His Lordship in obedience from the heart for your salvation.



1cor 1.2
To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people

A qualifier as to who the church really is.
It does not say that because you are part the “church” that you are sanctified. Rather it says those who are the Church are those who have been sanctified (set apart) in Christ Jesus “Called” to be His Holy People.


1 cor 6:11
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God and that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

That does not say because you are “Christian” now that you are sanctified.
Rather the opposite, it is a warning to those “Christians” who are not sanctified telling them they should not expect to inherit the kingdom of God.
If you are no longer sinful and wicked, Then you have been washed and you have been sanctified… Then these things are true of you.
He says do not be deceived, it is not some rose colored glasses God wears to give you a pass because you say the magic words or give some mental ascent to the truth of something.

Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does
what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous - 1 John 3:7



True; IF...
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
(Led by the spirit of God into meeting all of these if’s)
15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

Eph 1.5
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world,
(That is to say in creating man he predestined those who would believe in there hearts and confess with the mouths Jesus as Lord and be saved and those who did not to everlasting fire.)
that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses (trespass is the outward violation but iniquity is the source of sin, that is the realm of the salvation work of sanctification that you are commanded to work out with fear and trembling. AKA make you calling and election sure), according to the riches of His grace 8which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed
( in the day a letter was sealed with wax or clay and was legally binding if the seal remained unbroken, that seal was placed on our hope, our belief ) in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge ( a down payment, part of any good contract showing the good faith intent of the one who made it. In other words, God will hold up His end if we continue in faith and do not break that seal ) of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

As far as God is concerned it is a done deal.
As far as we are concerned it is not.

Consider this...
That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either. Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. (continued belief / active faith giving yourself to His Lordship) Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again - Romans 11:20-23

while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death (past tense) of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Romans 5-10
Two separate things.
I.ll let this one stand as it is . Everyone who knows the bible can see how many errors are in there . Please re read your self a few times . Your contradicting your self my friend.
 

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The gift it free.
if you reject it or neglect it or make full use of it that is up to you.

But if you are given a free gift and you fail to make use of it, have you really received it at all?

If you do not make use of it it is of no benefit to you.
What Gift are you talking about ? If you mean the atonement, The Holy Spirit , Jesus , Eternal life , righteousness, peace with God and ,you dont ' make use of it ' . Its not a toy we recieve ??
 

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#39
With the heart man believes unto righteousness, or being right or just. Justification is the work of the cross for all who believe.
With the mouth he confesses unto salvation
Confession of Jesus as lord is a different matter then believing. It is not lip service but genuine submitting to His lordship over our lives that saves us.
Why call me Lord Lord and not do what I say.

Just because the justification was Christ's work alone does not free you from the required giving yourself over to His Lordship in obedience from the heart for your salvation.



1cor 1.2
To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people

A qualifier as to who the church really is.
It does not say that because you are part the “church” that you are sanctified. Rather it says those who are the Church are those who have been sanctified (set apart) in Christ Jesus “Called” to be His Holy People.


1 cor 6:11
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God and that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

That does not say because you are “Christian” now that you are sanctified.
Rather the opposite, it is a warning to those “Christians” who are not sanctified telling them they should not expect to inherit the kingdom of God.
If you are no longer sinful and wicked, Then you have been washed and you have been sanctified… Then these things are true of you.
He says do not be deceived, it is not some rose colored glasses God wears to give you a pass because you say the magic words or give some mental ascent to the truth of something.

Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does
what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous - 1 John 3:7



True; IF...
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
(Led by the spirit of God into meeting all of these if’s)
15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

Eph 1.5
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world,
(That is to say in creating man he predestined those who would believe in there hearts and confess with the mouths Jesus as Lord and be saved and those who did not to everlasting fire.)
that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses (trespass is the outward violation but iniquity is the source of sin, that is the realm of the salvation work of sanctification that you are commanded to work out with fear and trembling. AKA make you calling and election sure), according to the riches of His grace 8which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed
( in the day a letter was sealed with wax or clay and was legally binding if the seal remained unbroken, that seal was placed on our hope, our belief ) in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge ( a down payment, part of any good contract showing the good faith intent of the one who made it. In other words, God will hold up His end if we continue in faith and do not break that seal ) of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

As far as God is concerned it is a done deal.
As far as we are concerned it is not.

Consider this...
That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either. Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. (continued belief / active faith giving yourself to His Lordship) Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again - Romans 11:20-23

while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death (past tense) of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Romans 5-10
Two separate things.
I'm trying to understand..Ok what would you say is different from what you have to an unbeliver ? is it just an ' opportunity ' ? That's what it sounds like you have .A chance to do good deeds and maybe God will bless you or something. For instance today if you were hit by a bus and died would you recieve the same fate as the unbeliever? if not why not ?
 

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With the heart man believes unto righteousness, or being right or just. Justification is the work of the cross for all who believe.
With the mouth he confesses unto salvation
Confession of Jesus as lord is a different matter then believing. It is not lip service but genuine submitting to His lordship over our lives that saves us.
Why call me Lord Lord and not do what I say.

Just because the justification was Christ's work alone does not free you from the required giving yourself over to His Lordship in obedience from the heart for your salvation.



1cor 1.2
To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people

A qualifier as to who the church really is.
It does not say that because you are part the “church” that you are sanctified. Rather it says those who are the Church are those who have been sanctified (set apart) in Christ Jesus “Called” to be His Holy People.


1 cor 6:11
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God and that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

That does not say because you are “Christian” now that you are sanctified.
Rather the opposite, it is a warning to those “Christians” who are not sanctified telling them they should not expect to inherit the kingdom of God.
If you are no longer sinful and wicked, Then you have been washed and you have been sanctified… Then these things are true of you.
He says do not be deceived, it is not some rose colored glasses God wears to give you a pass because you say the magic words or give some mental ascent to the truth of something.

Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does
what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous - 1 John 3:7



True; IF...
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh— 13for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
(Led by the spirit of God into meeting all of these if’s)
15For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body. 24For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees? 25But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

Eph 1.5
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world,
(That is to say in creating man he predestined those who would believe in there hearts and confess with the mouths Jesus as Lord and be saved and those who did not to everlasting fire.)
that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses (trespass is the outward violation but iniquity is the source of sin, that is the realm of the salvation work of sanctification that you are commanded to work out with fear and trembling. AKA make you calling and election sure), according to the riches of His grace 8which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed
( in the day a letter was sealed with wax or clay and was legally binding if the seal remained unbroken, that seal was placed on our hope, our belief ) in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge ( a down payment, part of any good contract showing the good faith intent of the one who made it. In other words, God will hold up His end if we continue in faith and do not break that seal ) of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

As far as God is concerned it is a done deal.
As far as we are concerned it is not.

Consider this...
That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either. Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. (continued belief / active faith giving yourself to His Lordship) Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again - Romans 11:20-23

while we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death (past tense) of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Romans 5-10
Two separate things.
Rom.5
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
You miss understand . Everyone . The entire human race has been ( past tense ) reconciled to God by Jesus dying and paying for the sins of everyone who has ever lived and so much more . So how much more shall we be saved when a person believes the Gospel ? by his life . He died for the sins of the world remember ? but his death is not what saves . Believing the Gospel saves . Its then the resurrection that enables a person after they believe to future glorification.