Did you really trust in Jesus for salvation?

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soberxp

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Why, why, after reading the Bible, I'm a hundred thousand whys. But suddenly one day, I found that the Bible does not need to ask why, just accept his words. God is indeed omniscient and omnipotent. If not, how can the Bible say that he is superior to the whole world. God says that I am superior to the world. If this is a debate, and the Bible advocates debate, then Who has told you that there are very few who are saved? The Bible says that not all who call me Jesus are my disciples. It has also been said that the road is narrow and few people have been found. But does this mean that there are few people saved? If it is not to save all people, why make atonement for the world? In other words, if you think that some people or most of them can't be saved, maybe this understanding is the wrong starting point. This is not finding the right way, because the road is very narrow, so narrow that many Christians think that there are few people to be saved. Who can't be saved and who is missing? the one who thinks that someone can't be saved, there may be only one person who can't be saved It seems to make sense that there are few people to save that missing The one who thinks that someone can't be saved, God's purpose is to save the world. Jesus said that he would rather save the one than save so many, rather save so many than save this one. The Bible says, first of all, you should pray for all people, no matter who they are. Jesus said that if you believe in me, whatever you ask of me will be fulfilled, then I believe in Jesus, and I pray that all people can be saved. Can't he Jesus accomplish it?
 

p_rehbein

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So far you've not explained anything other than name calling and assertion ? The question is 'Did you really trust in Jesus for salvation? its ok to say if you don't Know or are unsure if you did ,or even if you are saved or not .
Huh?

When did I call you a "name?"

As for the rest of your response........it is just silly. Much like your OP.

Here, lemme help ya:

SHOW me the Scripture that says we DO NOT have to live OBEDIENT to Christ and the Commandments He gave to the Church.

As for continuing to "confess, repent," if we are NOT to ask for forgiveness for sins we commit after our salvation, then WHY, pray tell, did Jesus Himself INSTRUCT us to? You DO KNOW He said to, right?

Matthew, Chapter 6:

9) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11) Give us this day our daily bread.

12) And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Maybe you should do just a wee bit more study before you come to teach us about Scripture............
 

p_rehbein

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#43
What so very many people forget, like this one, is that Salvation is the BEGINNING of our life walk with Christ..............NOT the END.

So VERY MUCH MORE follows our salvation!

Carnal (earthy) believers (not yet infilled) see with carnal (earthy) eyes.....and do not understand. The Apostle Paul spoke of these and their need to grow in Christ so as to become Spiritual believers (infilled with the Holy Spirit) so they can see the Spiritual Truth of Scripture. Why is this important? Because, as Scripture says: God is a Spirit, and to worship Him you must worship Him in Spirit and Truth.............. Carnal/earthy limitations quite often skew the deeper, Spiritual meaning of Scripture.
 
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#44
all we have to do IS LOOK at Christ's Commands =
as it is written:
'If you love Me, KEEP My Commandments'..
and be obedient, some are called to do something for the lord when its time, you maybe told to do something highly unusual, do it anyway.
 
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#45
SALVATION, SANCTIFICATION, JUSTIFICATION.........................funny how the hyper grace crowd fails to understand the difference
What is the difference between salvation and justification to you, and do both happen when we believe in 1 Cor 15:1-4?
 

throughfaith

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#46
Huh?

When did I call you a "name?"

As for the rest of your response........it is just silly. Much like your OP.

Here, lemme help ya:

SHOW me the Scripture that says we DO NOT have to live OBEDIENT to Christ and the Commandments He gave to the Church.

As for continuing to "confess, repent," if we are NOT to ask for forgiveness for sins we commit after our salvation, then WHY, pray tell, did Jesus Himself INSTRUCT us to? You DO KNOW He said to, right?

Matthew, Chapter 6:

9) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11) Give us this day our daily bread.

12) And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15) But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Maybe you should do just a wee bit more study before you come to teach us about Scripture............
Whos Jesus talking to ? is it you he's telling to pray that way ? not every verse is to you .
secondly there's not a verse that says Jesus is not a champion figure skater either .
 
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#47
As Christians we are probably going to say that we are trusting in Jesus for salvation .But it seems that this may not be the case for all . How can we be trusting in Jesus if we have to do our part ? some are adding ' obedience ' others its ' deeds of faith ' . Some say we have to continue to confess and repent ,whilst others its a life proved by holiness and fruit baring . Have we really trusted in Christ if we are still looking to ourselves ?
So i shouldn't examine myself to become a better person...
I should sin as much as i like... I should allow the evil one to dictate my acts...
Sorry but i just can't do that
 

throughfaith

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So i shouldn't examine myself to become a better person...
I should sin as much as i like... I should allow the evil one to dictate my acts...
Sorry but i just can't do that
Do you have to do that to be saved ? or stay saved ? And where have I said 'sin as much as you like " ? Or you must allow the evil one to dictate your acts " ? My post has ' For salvation 'if you read again .
 

throughfaith

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and be obedient, some are called to do something for the lord when its time, you maybe told to do something highly unusual, do it anyway.
I'd agree with that ,but not for salvation of course .
 

throughfaith

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What so very many people forget, like this one, is that Salvation is the BEGINNING of our life walk with Christ..............NOT the END.

So VERY MUCH MORE follows our salvation!

Carnal (earthy) believers (not yet infilled) see with carnal (earthy) eyes.....and do not understand. The Apostle Paul spoke of these and their need to grow in Christ so as to become Spiritual believers (infilled with the Holy Spirit) so they can see the Spiritual Truth of Scripture. Why is this important? Because, as Scripture says: God is a Spirit, and to worship Him you must worship Him in Spirit and Truth.............. Carnal/earthy limitations quite often skew the deeper, Spiritual meaning of Scripture.
I see salvation as the beginning in the sense of that we Are saved from Hell ,the penalty of sin . Before this we were lost and heading for hell . After this we realise that everything is secure and our future is secure. All that remains of our salvation of course is Glorification , the Adoption which is also Guaranteed. For now we eagerly await the Adoption ( rom 8.23 ) We should now tell others this good news whilst we have time.
 
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So i shouldn't examine myself to become a better person...
I should sin as much as i like... I should allow the evil one to dictate my acts...
Sorry but i just can't do that

I ask God to change me every day to be more like Jesus.....I like to stay focused on being a better person,but it doesn’t consume me.

God knows my heart,he knows if I am sincere in what I ask of Him,....when it’s sincere,he’s right there,helping me change,.....I can’t change without him.
 

Mii

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#53
don't you mean abey the commands and do them ,what ever this list specifically is ( You may need to elaborate) So is this how we come to Jesus to be saved ? to be saved from the penalty of sin ?
Bro did you even read that verse? "If you love me..."

Nowhere do I see if you don't do this you will not be saved in that verse. There are other verses for those things but each should be handled with care so as to have clean motives for engaging those verses and what the spirit IS saying with them.

Now there is a verse about the love of the Father not being in a person, but that's a different place. I'll leave you to draw out a connection between the two (if it exists beyond "line upon line")
 

JaumeJ

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The question was DID you really trust in Jesus for salvation? ( that's a past tense )
Could you clarify what you mean ? not sure what your saying ? please
Having come back for another post I reread your responses so having read my posts and I now understand you are here to yank my chain. Shame on you and your kind. If you do not understand posts, do not use what you do not understand to attack the faith of others, this is pure trolling at its worst.
 
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Examine your faith. If it does not produce works, not your own works, works given by God, then it is not faith at all.

Faith without works is no faith at all. Do not tell all who are joyous in having received salvation free that it does not translate to doing God-s works for this would be a lie.

Amen!.....well said.
 
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If I'm looking to myself is that trusting in Jesus ?

Hi TF,.....if you are looking to yourself.....then you aren’t trusting Jesus are you?

We must look to Jesus,there is no other way.....look to ourselves we are doomed....The Lord will guide you .
 

throughfaith

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Having come back for another post I reread your responses so having read my posts and I now understand you are here to yank my chain. Shame on you and your kind. If you do not understand posts, do not use what you do not understand to attack the faith of others, this is pure trolling at its worst.
Huh ??? have no idea what your on about now .
 

throughfaith

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Hi TF,.....if you are looking to yourself.....then you aren’t trusting Jesus are you?

We must look to Jesus,there is no other way.....look to ourselves we are doomed....The Lord will guide you .
Amen . Jesus did it all .Thats what we trusted .
 

throughfaith

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Bro did you even read that verse? "If you love me..."

Nowhere do I see if you don't do this you will not be saved in that verse. There are other verses for those things but each should be handled with care so as to have clean motives for engaging those verses and what the spirit IS saying with them.

Now there is a verse about the love of the Father not being in a person, but that's a different place. I'll leave you to draw out a connection between the two (if it exists beyond "line upon line")
I see in Romans 7 that we still have the old man with the new man and whilst we are still in the body this will be an issue ..Of course the correct direction is to follow Jesus commands . Thats christianity 101.