Denominational religion

[Nehemiah6]

Denominational church's lie to their congratulations [congregations] for money.

So your real beef is Christian giving. There is no remedy for that except to give more generously, and expect nothing in return. And don't let the left hand know what the right hand gives.

BTW do you know anything about Solomon's Temple, and who gave Solomon the mandate to build it?

 

[lenna]

Christ loves the organized church of today, and wants us to love it.

However, the temple was God's church and when men treated it wrong Christ worked to correct that wrong. Pointing to the wrong that is in the church that God loves is not ranting against the church, rather it is working for the church.

still stuck in the OT, eh? Jesus was promised by the Father waaaaaaaay back in the garden. Jesus did not die so that the temple God instructed the Israelites to build during their wandering in the wilderness after leaving Egypt could be made 'right;

The Bible is plain that the blood of goats and bulls could not actually remove sin.

1For the law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2If it could, would not the offerings have ceased? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt the guilt of their sins.

3Instead, those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, 4because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,

but a body You prepared for Me.

6In burnt offerings and sin offerings

You took no delight.

7Then I said, ‘Here I am, it is written about Me in the scroll:

I have come to do Your will, O God.’ ”a

8In the passage above He says, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor did You delight in them” (although they are offered according to the law). 9Then He adds, “Here I am, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first to establish the second. 10And by that will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Hebrews 10

as for pointing to the wrong in the church, you would like nothing better, right? with your mash up of the old and new testaments, and the threads you have started here with your adherence to the old testament festivals and parts of the law, it would suit you well for someone to smear believers in the body of Christ

 

[lenna]

We as humans are only one church to God not churches

really?

everyone here KNOWS FULL WELL that when the word church is said, it either means a building or the body of Christ depending on the context

you do not know what you are talking about

 

[Scribe]

We as humans are only one church to God not churches

When you read what Jesus said to the individual local churches that he named we see that it is God's method and plan to have local churches that operate as an autonomous church and yet are part of the church world wide. So yes there is one church but it is biblical and within agreement as to how God looks at things to reference them as CHURCHES.

For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea.

Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do.

and all the brothers who are with me, To the churches of Galatia:
We want you to know, brothers, about the grace of God that has been given among the churches of Macedonia

Therefore we ourselves boast about you in the churches of God for your steadfastness and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions that you are enduring.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

And he went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.

And, apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxiety for all the churches.

There are more but I am sure you get the idea. We may call them churches as individual local churches. Are you involved in one? If not you are really missing out on what God has planned for you.

 

[garee]

really?

everyone here KNOWS FULL WELL that when the word church is said, it either means a building or the body of Christ depending on the context

you do not know what you are talking about

It means the building as the body of Christ. The spiritual unseen house made up of many lively stones . Not dead stones as that seen made with dead hands( as a will).

Stones of living faith. Christ's faith working in us with us to both will and perform the good pleasure of him who dwells in us.

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Almost nobody believes nowadays that the building is the church. But try telling people, especially Western evangelicals, "Christianity is not a set of 'correct beliefs'" - you will get a way more negative response. With a lot of fear, doubt, and desire to control mixed in.

 

[shittim]

He is calling His Own from among the religious from among the non christian, from among the pagan even, seems He continues to mature His plan of redemption and renewal of manking and His creation in this way.

 

[wattie]

When looking at 'the church'..

There is the teaching it is all believers


There is the teaching it is not all believers but is the institution of churches plural .. being put as one type. For eg.. analogous to 'the horse' or 'the bar'

In the bible you see all believers as one church.. in the end.. in the future. This hasn't happened yet.

In the bible you see many local churches plural.

I believe people conflate the church with the Family of God and the Kingdom of God.

The church is inside the Family of God. The Family inside the Kingdom

They aren't the same entities.

Someone can be saved but not part of the church. They are a member of the Family and inside the Kingdom.. but haven't joined a local church.