Did Jesus sweat real blood in the garden?

[garee]

"Sweat" is not a metaphor in that passage; it was literal perspiration.

Yes literal sweat to indicate he was working, sufferings unto death drinking the cup of wrath just like it informs us. . He was not just sweating because he was just standing there. Nothing about the temperature hot or humid?

Sweating bullets the cup of wrath.

Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.


It would seem all things that can carry DNA are used to represent the unseen work of the Holy Spirit.

Spit is used in another metaphor used in parable in a similar way to represent the working of the Holy Spirit .

Giving ears to hear and a tongue to confess.

Mark 7:33 And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;

Literal DNA the temporal things seen.

When we mix the unseen things of God with the temporal seen (DNA) of men. Then we can rejoice he has given us valuable tools to rightly divide the parables. He hides the understanding from those who only look to the literal historical .(corrupted)

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

But again mixing according to the prescription above reveals the mysteries of faith . There are no mysteries as understanding that come by walking by sight .Look and see to those who do mix faith. The understanding hid in the parable remains a mystery to those who do not divide the parable. .

For who has a living abiding hope for what they already see? No man has received the promised new bodies. No one is walking on water.

 

[garee]

I think the answer to our Lord's agony in Gethsemane lies in Matthew 10:28; "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in GEHENNA."

The great threat towards unrepentant sinners is the Lake of Fire. This name is used interchangeably with "the Second Death", and "Perdition" of "destruction". The Greek scholars tell us that the word "perdition" does not mean "annihilation". It means "intense lack of well-being". This is confirmed by Isaiah 66:24 and Mark 9:43-48. The experience of the Lake of Fire is a never-ending intense suffering of the soul and the body. Notice how the "worm" and the "fire" are personal. It is, "THEIR worm and THEIR fire." That is, taking Matthew 10:28 above, God has tailored each man's suffering - an expected fact seeing that He is righteous. Nero gets Nero's worm and Nero's fire, while Hitler gets His dedicated portion.

Now, if our Lord Jesus was to atone for the "sins of the WORLD", he would have to face a PHYSICAL death of intensity to atone for all men and every sin. And He would have to face the "most intense lack of well-being" at the hand of God - as it were, the COMBINED and ACCUMULATED wrath of God. The dread that our Lord Jesus faced in Gethsemane was Matthew 10:28. It was so dire that just to go up to Jerusalem, "... He stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem" (Lk.9:51). It is recorded that our Lord Jesus was a "Man of sorrows" (Isa.53:3), but the next verse gives the reason; "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Matthew 10:28 says that what the Romans, men, did was NOT to be feared, but what God could do WAS TO BE FEARED!

And thus we have the most perfect, gracious, sinless Man - by far, ever to live, "SMITTEN OF GOD" in BOTH soul and body. Our Lord Jesus died TWICE - (i) His SOUL starting in Gethsemane and ending with a cry, "My God why have you forsaken me", and (ii) a God-induced physical treatment starting from the rough arrest in Gethsemane to the horrific crucifixion. A crucifixion where God had His hand in it and not only men.

This ALL Jesus faced IN FULL KNOWLEDGE. Why do we even doubt the HEMATIDROSIS? Not one of us, not even the worst sinner in the Lake of Fire, can imagine what faced our Lord Jesus. The worst sinner only has HIS worm and and HIS fire for HIS sins. But our Lord faced the combined WORM and combined FIRE of all men. Unimaginable!!!

It was a one time promised demonstration of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the gospel ."The word of God".

Sweat is not hematidrosis . We look to the spiritual understanding hid in the parable. If we would render that literal then it would follow the parable of drinking the blood of man (an abomination) would follow.

Sweat as if it was the work of the spirit. Drink blood to represent the pouring out of the Spirit. The work that softens ones new heart. . Water is used in the same way .

Living water represents the gospel. It is poured out on us as if it was blood. Water and blood are used together in that way to represent the unseen work of God.

 

[Dino246]

Yes literal sweat to indicate he was working, sufferings unto death drinking the cup of wrath just like it informs us. . He was not just sweating because he was just standing there. Nothing about the temperature hot or humid?

Sweating bullets the cup of wrath.

Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.


It would seem all things that can carry DNA are used to represent the unseen work of the Holy Spirit.

It would seem that you are making things up that cannot be substantiated from Scripture, as you frequently do.

 

[Corban]

It was a one time promised demonstration of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the gospel ."The word of God".

Sweat is not hematidrosis . We look to the spiritual understanding hid in the parable. If we would render that literal then it would follow the parable of drinking the blood of man (an abomination) would follow.

Sweat as if it was the work of the spirit. Drink blood to represent the pouring out of the Spirit. The work that softens ones new heart. . Water is used in the same way .

Living water represents the gospel. It is poured out on us as if it was blood. Water and blood are used together in that way to represent the unseen work of God.

Our Lord's agony in Gethsemane is NOT a parable. It actually happened. I do not look for "a spiritual understanding" unless it is indicated. Which is exactly what John 6:63 says concrning the drink of Christ's blood. But, for you, Adam was not real. We must understand Genesis 1 and 2 as "spiritual". And Garee doesn't really exist. We must treat him with "spiritual understanding".

 

[garee]

Our Lord's agony in Gethsemane is NOT a parable. It actually happened. I do not look for "a spiritual understanding" unless it is indicated. Which is exactly what John 6:63 says concrning the drink of Christ's blood. But, for you, Adam was not real. We must understand Genesis 1 and 2 as "spiritual". And Garee doesn't really exist. We must treat him with "spiritual understanding".

Hi thanks for the reply.

So then the literal blood of Christ must be literally drank? Drink a abominations as wrath is that not Christ performed drinking the cup of wrath ?

Yes the father not seen was literally pouring out the wrath of God causing him to literally sweat. as if it where drops of blood . Literal blood without the spirit has no life to offer. . The life of the flesh is in the blood. But again that life is spirit life. The life the father gave to the Son to finish the demonstration of two working as one God . The father put the disciples to sleep. No help from the crowd .

The Bible is literally historically 100% true just as it is 100% spiritually true. The spiritual revealing the "law of faith" (the unseen workings of gospel)

Yes it actually happened real sweat according to the literal historical .But the mystery that Christ hid in that parable is not on the literal surface . It as in all parables use the temporal, literal things seen and compares them to the unseen eternal things of God .

If we look to the first level but refuse to dig and search for the unseen understanding as for silver or gold. They remain parables without the understanding of the mystery, concealed .It stays concealed through a glass, darkly

If No 20/20 (below) prescription of light is used to rightly divide the parable it remains dark glass.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You might want to revisit Gordon Fee.

 

[Scribe]

Yes literal sweat to indicate he was working, sufferings unto death drinking the cup of wrath just like it informs us. . He was not just sweating because he was just standing there. Nothing about the temperature hot or humid?

Sweating bullets the cup of wrath.

Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.


It would seem all things that can carry DNA are used to represent the unseen work of the Holy Spirit.

Spit is used in another metaphor used in parable in a similar way to represent the working of the Holy Spirit .

Giving ears to hear and a tongue to confess.

Mark 7:33 And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;

Literal DNA the temporal things seen.

When we mix the unseen things of God with the temporal seen (DNA) of men. Then we can rejoice he has given us valuable tools to rightly divide the parables. He hides the understanding from those who only look to the literal historical .(corrupted)

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
But again mixing according to the prescription above reveals the mysteries of faith . There are no mysteries as understanding that come by walking by sight .Look and see to those who do mix faith. The understanding hid in the parable remains a mystery to those who do not divide the parable. .

For who has a living abiding hope for what they already see? No man has received the promised new bodies. No one is walking on water.

 

[Magenta]

In addition. Jesus didn't have a body that would have died if we hadn't killed Him.

We can't choose to die. Death is unavoidable for us. We may choose to die for this cause or that cause at a certain time but we don't really have a life to give like Jesus did.

Jesus was choosing to give up immortal life not life destined to die anyway.

So what He was sacrificing was a much greater experience of loss than anyone else would experience. Hence the great anxiety and recoil confronting death and the pain of loss.

He started shedding His Precious Blood for us in the Garden

The purpose of His incarnation was to give His life as a ransom for many

 

[Blade]

Yes and no it was no "rare medical condition". How does one know? A who was He and why was He dying? I think the world and some believers think of how Christ went to the cross as just a man and then died on the cross for the worlds sin. No.. only He could do this. Took every persons sin. Took the judgement for every person that was and will be upon His self.

I give you this... pray ask Him about the cost. No.. what He did cost God something. He didn't just leave heaven come here died and went back as if nothing really changed. He loves you so much that you will always see those holes and His side forever. I truly believe we have no clue what this salvation really is. Thank you Father for sending you son to die for the worlds sin. Help us to always and forever remember what you did for man...for you loved us when we didnt love care hated you.

 

[Benadam]

The purpose of His incarnation was to give His life as a ransom for many

Still...His body didn't inherit the death sentence. Adam isn't His Generator. His Body was obedient to His will. No shame no need to hide.

 

[Benadam]

The purpose of His incarnation was to give His life as a ransom for many

Aahh
That had to intensify things. You know paradox surrounds God.

 

[Corban]

Hi thanks for the reply.

So then the literal blood of Christ must be literally drank? Drink a abominations as wrath is that not Christ performed drinking the cup of wrath ?

Yes the father not seen was literally pouring out the wrath of God causing him to literally sweat. as if it where drops of blood . Literal blood without the spirit has no life to offer. . The life of the flesh is in the blood. But again that life is spirit life. The life the father gave to the Son to finish the demonstration of two working as one God . The father put the disciples to sleep. No help from the crowd .

The Bible is literally historically 100% true just as it is 100% spiritually true. The spiritual revealing the "law of faith" (the unseen workings of gospel)

Yes it actually happened real sweat according to the literal historical .But the mystery that Christ hid in that parable is not on the literal surface . It as in all parables use the temporal, literal things seen and compares them to the unseen eternal things of God .

If we look to the first level but refuse to dig and search for the unseen understanding as for silver or gold. They remain parables without the understanding of the mystery, concealed .It stays concealed through a glass, darkly

If No 20/20 (below) prescription of light is used to rightly divide the parable it remains dark glass.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You might want to revisit Gordon Fee.

It was not a parable, and, as you said, our Lord literally sweated blood. If you have special insight into a spiritual meaning, please share it with us. But remember - no private interpretation (2nd Pet.1:20). Explain scripture with scripture. Thanks, and go well.

 

[garee]

It was not a parable, and, as you said, our Lord literally sweated blood. If you have special insight into a spiritual meaning, please share it with us. But remember - no private interpretation (2nd Pet.1:20). Explain scripture with scripture. Thanks, and go well.

His soul was suffering unto death. He literally sweat sweat .To show he was working drinking the cup of wrath . The work of Him seen and the father not seen.

 

[garee]

The purpose of His incarnation was to give His life as a ransom for many

Yes to give spirit life . Not death . God cannot die. A living sacrifice. Giving his life in jeopardy of his own

 

[Corban]

His soul was suffering unto death. He literally sweat sweat .To show he was working drinking the cup of wrath . The work of Him seen and the father not seen.

OK. It looks like we're getting close to agreement. Go well brother and thanks for the exchange.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

It was not a parable, and, as you said, our Lord literally sweated blood. If you have special insight into a spiritual meaning, please share it with us. But remember - no private interpretation (2nd Pet.1:20). Explain scripture with scripture. Thanks, and go well.

Well maybe it was blood. Hard to tell, as it doesn't say it the way we would say it in our language.

Luke 22:44

44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
KJV
I just now looked at what several Bible commentators thought on the matter. Some believed it just meant that His sweat was like blood. And others believed it actually blood. Well, some day we'll know the full truth of the matter, when we get to heaven and know all things.

 

[Corban]

Well maybe it was blood. Hard to tell, as it doesn't say it the way we would say it in our language.

Luke 22:44

44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
KJV
I just now looked at what several Bible commentators thought on the matter. Some believed it just meant that His sweat was like blood. And others believed it actually blood. Well, some day we'll know the full truth of the matter, when we get to heaven and know all things.

I think you are correct. The phrase, "as it were" (one word in the Greek), could mean "like". There is no second verse to support making a doctrine out of it.

 

[Scribe]

Well maybe it was blood. Hard to tell, as it doesn't say it the way we would say it in our language.

Luke 22:44

44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
KJV
I just now looked at what several Bible commentators thought on the matter. Some believed it just meant that His sweat was like blood. And others believed it actually blood. Well, some day we'll know the full truth of the matter, when we get to heaven and know all things.

It was sweat. Tinged with blood. So it was both. Crystal clear to me.

 

[Bbrdrd]

I'm a little confused as to the import of this question. Whether it was blood or the phrasing is some kind of similie the idea remains unchanged as it expresses the agony of Christ knowing the task to come. Am I missing something, or is this rather an inconsequential piece of trivia?

 

[Scribe]

I'm a little confused as to the import of this question. Whether it was blood or the phrasing is some kind of similie the idea remains unchanged as it expresses the agony of Christ knowing the task to come. Am I missing something, or is this rather an inconsequential piece of trivia?

They are just stumbling over the "as it were" way of speaking. It simply means he was sweating blood. It was not just blood alone, it was sweat coming out of sweat pores but since it was mixed with blood and not clear but blood tinged it was like blood to the observer. They are wondering if it just meant great drops of sweat. And no, that would not deliver the same meaning as sweat that looked like it had blood in it when it comes to describing the level of agony. It is pretty obvious that mentioning blood at all would only make sense if the sweat was tinged with blood not if it was clear sweat. No one says "your sweat looks like great drops of blood" unless they see red in the sweat. I don't understand why people can't comprehend the intended meaning but I suppose it would the level of familiarity with certain phrases used in literature.

 

[Bbrdrd]

They are just stumbling over the "as it were" way of speaking. It simply means he was sweating blood. It was not just blood alone, it was sweat coming out of sweat pores but since it was mixed with blood and not clear but blood tinged it was like blood to the observer. They are wondering if it just meant great drops of sweat. And no, that would not deliver the same meaning as sweat that looked like it had blood in it when it comes to describing the level of agony. It is pretty obvious that mentioning blood at all would only make sense if the sweat was tinged with blood not if it was clear sweat. No one says "your sweat looks like great drops of blood" unless they see red in the sweat. I don't understand why people can't comprehend the intended meaning but I suppose it would the level of familiarity with certain phrases used in literature.

I get that but I'm more speaking to creating the thread...it seems like a dispute just to have a dispute. If it isn't meant to convey that there was blood in the sweat I see no purpose in contesting it, kind of like those who argue over whether the robe placed on Jesus was dark red or purple since without reading deeply into the matter it all just seems rather trivial. In either case the description is meant to convey a sense of agony, and it is an agony we cannot fathom. So then what does it matter if one finds the medical case incredible or if one believes there physically was blood present?