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Gary, that's true for me too. Abel was baptized in his own blood. He was born again. I think as second son he was less important to His mother. Born humbled in state made Abel more sympathetic to the affliction suffered by the imposition of a matriarch on the first family. Suffering bore mostly by his father but also himself. They understood that the family of man was disordered. Abel's blood is on Cain's hands but also the hands of His mother.
Great errors and false teaching were immediate. The worst thing you can do is assume things were good and true in the beginning and follow a tradition believing that tradition is holding to the 'original' teachings the most faithful or true . This is the greatest deception Catholics have bought into . Not just Catholics, many denomination s . " oh we go back to such and such ,when the real Church was such and such " . Even now folks are convinced we should go back to the book of Acts because that was the authentic way . Calvinism , Lutherans, Cathoilcs are all assuming they can trace back their beginnings through the church history claiming they are the true ,godly and authentic ' blood line ' to the ' original ' . Catholicism being the most boastful and deceived in this thinking. You cannot arrive at Roman Catholicism through the bible . What has happened, like all groups and systems it ' uses ' the bible to prop up the tradition.
Wich verse you show me about purgatory?
If you believe gospel that Jesus or Paul preach is about purgatory, tell me what verse
You say they, who do you mean by they, catholic?
Teaching that would not be accepted because where it come from?
The teaching of Purgatory from pagan. Devil why you accept it?
Devil is liar why you accept his teaching
Teaching that would not be accepted because where it come from?
The teaching of Purgatory from pagan. Devil why you accept it?
Devil is liar why you accept his teaching
Not sure where you get the idea of being baptized in his own blood? Abel was born again from above just like any new creature. Blood seen has nothing to with spirit no seen. Blood like water can represent spirit but it never becomes spirit life
The spirit life of the flesh is in the blood but literal blood cannot never give life. That's easy to prove just take some to the cemetery or morgue and pour it out on dead flesh.
Blood returns to the dust of the field from where it it was formed from and the temporal spirt of mankind under the letter of the law death it returns to father of all spirits. There is no mother of spirits , To be born again is to be born of God.
We are not born of some Queen of heaven .You simply have ben deceived by the same kind of deception in the garden. The fall of mankind
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
The spirit life of the flesh is in the blood but literal blood cannot never give life. That's easy to prove just take some to the cemetery or morgue and pour it out on dead flesh.
Blood returns to the dust of the field from where it it was formed from and the temporal spirt of mankind under the letter of the law death it returns to father of all spirits. There is no mother of spirits , To be born again is to be born of God.
We are not born of some Queen of heaven .You simply have ben deceived by the same kind of deception in the garden. The fall of mankind
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Pure heresy. No biblical support for such a contention.
Christ atoned for all our sins. Jesus left no sin for us to atone for as even the smallest of sin would condemn us to eternal condemnation.
He who offends the law even in one point has offended the entire law.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Christ atoned for all our sins. Jesus left no sin for us to atone for as even the smallest of sin would condemn us to eternal condemnation.
He who offends the law even in one point has offended the entire law.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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If this Queen of heaven entity you call blessed mother had a voice to be reckoned by other than the words of the spirit of Christ that moved our dear sister in the lord Mary in the scripture as prophecy I might by warned and have some care.
But the bible informs us who the mother of us all is .Called the free woman in Galatians 4.As the bride of Christ she is made up of all believers. They like Paul who held out the gospel in pains of birth until the born again spirit of Christ was formed . She is made up of many lively stones the spiritual unseen house, the church.. Abel the first recorded martyr. His sufferings in pain as he held out the gospel ended in death and not birth as Did Paul with Timothy. no such thing as a queen of heaven .its easy to see that catholic have copied the Jewish law of the fathers. As those who do not hearken to the word of salvation .But rather do whatsoever their own mouth of oral tradition of the fathers on say can't serve two teaching masters..
The word mother much be searched out and looked at the context of what is written ( sola scriptura) And again not the law of a legion of the fathers .it makes sola scriptura without effect.
Jeremiah 44:16-18 King James Version (KJV As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto "thee". But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
Do you see a evil of a queen in heaven and disagree with the law of your fathers. The things of men or will you hearkens unto the things of God. Again no man can serve two teaching masters.
But the bible informs us who the mother of us all is .Called the free woman in Galatians 4.As the bride of Christ she is made up of all believers. They like Paul who held out the gospel in pains of birth until the born again spirit of Christ was formed . She is made up of many lively stones the spiritual unseen house, the church.. Abel the first recorded martyr. His sufferings in pain as he held out the gospel ended in death and not birth as Did Paul with Timothy. no such thing as a queen of heaven .its easy to see that catholic have copied the Jewish law of the fathers. As those who do not hearken to the word of salvation .But rather do whatsoever their own mouth of oral tradition of the fathers on say can't serve two teaching masters..
The word mother much be searched out and looked at the context of what is written ( sola scriptura) And again not the law of a legion of the fathers .it makes sola scriptura without effect.
Jeremiah 44:16-18 King James Version (KJV As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto "thee". But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
Do you see a evil of a queen in heaven and disagree with the law of your fathers. The things of men or will you hearkens unto the things of God. Again no man can serve two teaching masters.
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There were more important doctrines that the Church needed to grasp. You have to take into account that these are the first Christians. They are first to populate the after life. So, some of the teachings about the afterlife developed later as more Christia
Purgatory is about repairing damage caused by our sin. Damage to our soul and others.
Say you punch a guy and break his nose. You misjudged him and realize you wronged him . you ask and receive his forgiveness.
Aahh everything is good now and you go on with your day happily forgiven. Meanwhile the poor forgiving man is on the ground bleeding in pain and needs a doctor. You victimize him twice if you just accept forgiveness. He nurtured you and you did nothing for Him. Purgatory is about repairing that nose you broke and alleviating any pain and trouble caused by your sin he forgave.
Say you punch a guy and break his nose. You misjudged him and realize you wronged him . you ask and receive his forgiveness.
Aahh everything is good now and you go on with your day happily forgiven. Meanwhile the poor forgiving man is on the ground bleeding in pain and needs a doctor. You victimize him twice if you just accept forgiveness. He nurtured you and you did nothing for Him. Purgatory is about repairing that nose you broke and alleviating any pain and trouble caused by your sin he forgave.
I said it wasn't hell. Its not about redemption. All false premises to launch arguments. In fact people in Purgatory have eternal security for real. They know they are heaven bound. Its the presence of Christ that purges sin as we see Him as He is.
We will be like Him.
Why? Because we see Him as He is.
We will be like Him.
Why? Because we see Him as He is.
To hate is to not bless .I offer the word of God the Christians blessing. You appose it as it is written (sola scriptura) with a law of the fathers that you must call Devine according to that law of men . Your hatred of Christians is showing.
You simply must chose which teaching master you will follow .The word of God scripture has no companion. No equal.
One written authroity per person .
I would think the fathers would at least have the decency to list Sacred Scripture (sola scriptura) first. And then hope someone would rather serve the things of men seen and not the eternal things of God not seen.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 80
www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/80.htm
80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal.
You simply must chose which teaching master you will follow .The word of God scripture has no companion. No equal.
One written authroity per person .
I would think the fathers would at least have the decency to list Sacred Scripture (sola scriptura) first. And then hope someone would rather serve the things of men seen and not the eternal things of God not seen.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 80
www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/80.htm
80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal.
Purgatory is about not having the fullness of of Christ grace according to his labor of love. Only this queen of heaven entity named Mary is said to be full of His grace. (hail Mary full of grace) everyone else gets a unknown amount to wonder doubt, wonder doubt, wonder, wonder and doubt .But never coming to the end of faith that Christ works in us to both will and do His good pleasure. . Christians receive the end of their new born again faith from the beginning . The fulness of the grace of God. . not a unknown remnant . Its not sold as indulgences $$$$$
Offering Purgatory as those who have eternal security for real is simply to blaspheme the holy name of our Holy father. "For real"
26 When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, 42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted to me If Jesus is your King then His mother is your Queen.
I'm familiar with the pagan fertility gods.
I don't have a problem distinguishing the two.
Why do you call Jesus's mother 'sister'
Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, 42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted to me If Jesus is your King then His mother is your Queen.
I'm familiar with the pagan fertility gods.
I don't have a problem distinguishing the two.
Why do you call Jesus's mother 'sister'
Well of course she was blessed by God .(she is not the blesser or justifier. ) . Men cannot have babies . Jael blessed by God who worked in her is blessed above all women of the tent. God blesses different people in different ways. .Jael is not the mother of all tents.
if God wanted a king seen to represent himself as our one Holy father . He would of not waited to give over to the pagan elders that were not called together but gathered their own selves having become jealous of al the other pagan religions that surrounded .Our Holy father in heaven .(One is) informed Samael its not you they are rejecting as King but him . They refused to walk by faith the unseen eternal. but rather followed after a law of the fathers as the things of men seen the temporal..
1 Samuel 8. 4-7 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
The Poe reign those who trust in the the law of the fathers ,which thy call Devine sacred oral tradition of sinners..
The reformation came (Hebrew 9) and the fifteenth century reformation bears witness of the first. The veil is rent. Kings in Israel the abomination of desolation has been performed Christ decreed it desolate . Sola scriptura is the restoring authority in any generation.
I call Mary a sister in the lord because that what she is. . born again . She is not the Queen mother of us all . That kind of mother is revealed in Galatian 4 . She the free woman is made up of many lively stone that develop the spiritual unseen house of God the church . learn what it means to walk by faith, not of coming from the fathers (legion) who lord it over the faith of the pew sitters. And then you will not be forced to walk after the flesh .The temporal things seen.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Not acceptable to God by the Pope. Christian are made aware of the wile of the father of lies .. the father of a legion of fathers called apostolic succession..
God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter that has the approval of God not seen and man seen. = blasphemy.
if God wanted a king seen to represent himself as our one Holy father . He would of not waited to give over to the pagan elders that were not called together but gathered their own selves having become jealous of al the other pagan religions that surrounded .Our Holy father in heaven .(One is) informed Samael its not you they are rejecting as King but him . They refused to walk by faith the unseen eternal. but rather followed after a law of the fathers as the things of men seen the temporal..
1 Samuel 8. 4-7 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
The Poe reign those who trust in the the law of the fathers ,which thy call Devine sacred oral tradition of sinners..
The reformation came (Hebrew 9) and the fifteenth century reformation bears witness of the first. The veil is rent. Kings in Israel the abomination of desolation has been performed Christ decreed it desolate . Sola scriptura is the restoring authority in any generation.
I call Mary a sister in the lord because that what she is. . born again . She is not the Queen mother of us all . That kind of mother is revealed in Galatian 4 . She the free woman is made up of many lively stone that develop the spiritual unseen house of God the church . learn what it means to walk by faith, not of coming from the fathers (legion) who lord it over the faith of the pew sitters. And then you will not be forced to walk after the flesh .The temporal things seen.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Not acceptable to God by the Pope. Christian are made aware of the wile of the father of lies .. the father of a legion of fathers called apostolic succession..
God is not a man and neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter that has the approval of God not seen and man seen. = blasphemy.
My brother, don't believe in lie, for your own benefit.
Paul say
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The devil lie to you my brother, like when the devil lie to eve. They modified the word of God and lie to you
And I can say to you, brother god told me you have to send money to me
Who say to you that God add the teaching about purgatory?
When god told your pope about purgatory
How God told your pope? He come at night ?
Ask your pope to read Galatians 1:8-9.
Do you think The first Christian so stupid, not able to understand the simple teaching about purgatory do god not tell them?
Are they dumber than pagan?
Pagan understand purgatory and catholic learn purgatory from pagan, not from the Lord.
Why you let the devil lie to you?
Paul say
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The devil lie to you my brother, like when the devil lie to eve. They modified the word of God and lie to you
And I can say to you, brother god told me you have to send money to me
Who say to you that God add the teaching about purgatory?
When god told your pope about purgatory
How God told your pope? He come at night ?
Ask your pope to read Galatians 1:8-9.
Do you think The first Christian so stupid, not able to understand the simple teaching about purgatory do god not tell them?
Are they dumber than pagan?
Pagan understand purgatory and catholic learn purgatory from pagan, not from the Lord.
Why you let the devil lie to you?