What works will be accepted at the "Judgement Seat Of Christ?" Why was the unprofitable servant cast into the outer darkness (Matthew 25: 14-30)?

Ahwatukee · Sep 6, 2020

No, I do not believe that there is salvation outside of Jesus. Why do you say that?

The great tribulation saints, which are not the church, will keep the testimony of Jesus and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. The church will not be on the earth with the great tribulation saints, but will have already been caught up to the be with the Lord prior to the opening of the first seal. In opposition, the great tribulation saints will be on the earth during the time of God's wrath and the reign of the beast.

Jesus said to the religious leaders, "You will not see me again until you say blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." Therefore, during the time that Israel flees out into the wilderness and is cared for by God during the last 3 1/2 years, at some point they come to the knowledge that Jesus whom they had pierced will acknowledge Jesus as Messiah and will utter the words "blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord."

Pilgrimshope · Sep 6, 2020

Ahwatukee said:

Hello dear brother

according to who? Isn’t Jesus returning once ? This is what I see

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;

and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is going to come back once in the end of the world with salvation for anyone who will believe Jew or gentile there’s one kingdom gentiles were crafted into Israel’s promises.

“....the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed ? And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

....And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭14:61-64‬ ‭KJV‬‬-

When you see any reference to that event it is a reference to his one return with salvation into his kingdom after this happens at the very end of the world

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this of course includes the church who are the ones awaiting his return whether Jew or gentile .

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we know it’s at the end of the world and it involves everyone until the end

“But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:24-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we understand it is after the tribulation when he gathers his elect again those who believe the gospel

“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I know your looking back at prophecy , what I’m saying is tour not allowing for the fact that jesus came to restore Israel and they rejected him Then the message they rejected was sent to all the world not specifically the 12 nations of Israel

Abraham’s promise is for all people. All nations of the earth regardless of race are invited into his kingdom its a
Matter of who believes or rejects

we know that this is the day we have to appear before the judgement seat to give account like Paul also taught .

“Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”

‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s just the one day he returns and judges the world in righteousness all people are waiting for this day

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you don’t have to agree I enjoy discussion I promise to always have a good spirit even if we disagree

Ahwatukee · Sep 6, 2020

MessageOfTheCross said:

"But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, ‘My master will be away a long time.’ 49And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate. 51Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

So, based on the scripture, the unprofitable servant is cast into outer darkness because he will begin to beat his fellow servants (other believers), and to eat and drink with drunkards. Basically ,this is referring to the believer who thinks that the Lord is a long way off from coming and he goes back into the world, willfully living according to the sinful nature, partying, riotous living, sexual immorality, etc.

Pilgrimshope · Sep 6, 2020

MessageOfTheCross said:

This is the grace that saves according to the apostle Paul

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”

‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we reject the part that teaches us what to do and the part that warns us of damnation all the Lords word in the gospel and then reject everything Paul repeats in his teachings we end up with this

“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To say Jesus died and rose is true and is an essential part of the gospel it will never teach a person to repent and live right .

That’s what the teachings in the gospel are for we accept and believe or reject and deny its on us to believe.

Jesus is the one we are Meant to believe His doctrine is of God , from God , sealed forever by God as the way of salvation. When we reject his doctrine it leaves us here

“And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.”

‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we must believe Jesus died for sin according to prophecy and that he rose up according to prophecy no doubt . But If we then say “ that means I’m supposed to reject his teachings and his authority over my life refuse his word “ we’re misled sorely the teaching are just as essential as the rest

Ahwatukee · Sep 6, 2020

Pilgrimshope said:

According to scripture.

There are two events:

The gathering of the church: Prior to God's wrath upon the earth which is initiated by the opening of the first seal, Jesus descends to the atmosphere where the dead in Christ rise first. Then those in Christ who are still alive their bodies will be changed immortal and glorified and will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected. At this point the entire church from beginning to end will be gathered together, where the Lord will take us back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us, as promised in John 14:1-3, I Cor.15:51-53 and I Thess.4:13-17. Jesus does not return to the earth at this time, but only comes to gather His church as promised.

Christ's return to the earth to end the age: At this event, Jesus returns to the earth to end the age with the church following Him out of heaven on white horses (Rev.19:6-8, 14). This event takes place at the end of the tribulation period after the seventh bowl judgment has been poured out. This when the beast, the ten kings and the nations will be gathered against the Lord and His armies (Rev.16:12-15, 17:14). And where the beast and the false prophet will be captured and cast into the lake of fire alive (Rev.19:20). Then Satan will be seized by a mighty angel and will cast him into the Abyss and seals it over him so that he can't deceive the nations for a thousand years (Rev.20:10). After that, the resurrection of the great tribulation saints will take place which is part of the first resurrection (Rev.20:4-6)

Always keep this underlying principle in mind: Since Jesus already took upon himself the wrath of God, satisfying it completely, then God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer. And since the believer is not appointed to suffer God's wrath, Jesus will keep His promise of coming to get us prior to God's wrath, which begins with the opening of the 1st seal.

One of the biggest problems with those studying Eschatology, is that many don't recognize that the gathering of the church and the Lord's coming to the earth to end the age, as being two separate events, with separate purposes and taking place at different times.

The church cannot and will not go through the time of God's wrath.

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Pilgrimshope · Sep 6, 2020

Ahwatukee said:

According to scripture.

There are two events:

The gathering of the church: Prior to God's wrath upon the earth which is initiated by the opening of the first seal, Jesus descends to the atmosphere where the dead in Christ rise first. Then those in Christ who are still alive their bodies will be changed immortal and glorified and will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected. At this point the entire church from beginning to end will be gathered together, where the Lord will take us back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us, as promised in John 14:1-3, I Cor.15:51-53 and I Thess.4:13-17. Jesus does not return to the earth at this time, but only comes to gather His church as promised.

Christ's return to the earth to end the age: At this event, Jesus returns to the earth to end the age with the church following Him out of heaven on white horses (Rev.19:6-8, 14). This event takes place at the end of the tribulation period after the seventh bowl judgment has been poured out. This when the beast, the ten kings and the nations will be gathered against the Lord and His armies (Rev.16:12-15, 17:14). And where the beast and the false prophet will be captured and cast into the lake of fire alive (Rev.19:20). Then Satan will be seized by a mighty angel and will cast him into the Abyss and seals it over him so that he can't deceive the nations for a thousand years (Rev.20:10). After that, the resurrection of the great tribulation saints will take place which is part of the first resurrection (Rev.20:4-6)

Always keep this underlying principle in mind: Since Jesus already took upon himself the wrath of God, satisfying it completely, then God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer. And since the believer is not appointed to suffer God's wrath, Jesus will keep His promise of coming to get us prior to God's wrath, which begins with the opening of the 1st seal.

One of the biggest problems with those studying Eschatology, is that many don't recognize that the gathering of the church and the Lord's coming to the earth to end the age, as being two separate events, with separate purposes and taking place at different times.

The church cannot and will not go through the time of God's wrath.

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How would you address the things in my comment though ?

is jesus returning one time with salvation at the end of the world to gather his people Who are waiting for him ? Isn’t that the church whoever believes the gospel ?

who are you saying the church is ? And how many judgements are there ?

Ahwatukee · Sep 6, 2020

Pilgrimshope said:

Don't forget that there is also going to be a resurrection of the OT saints. The first resurrection is made up of stages:

* Jesus the first fruits (I Cor.15:20)

* The church at His appearing (John 14:1-3, I Cor.15:51-53, I Thess.4:13-17)

* The male child/144,000 who are changed and caught up

* The two witnesses (Rev.11:7-11)

* The great tribulation saints (Rev.20:4-6)

All of the above are stages making up the first resurrection, i.e. the resurrections which takes place prior to the resurrection at the great white throne judgment. That judgment will be of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history. Those who take part in that resurrection, the second death has power over.

As I said previously, the church cannot be gathered after God's wrath when Jesus returns to the earth, because it would put us through the entire wrath of God. we must be removed from the earth prior to the first seal being opened which initiates God's wrath.

The following is not the gathering of the church:

"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."

The above takes place after the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. Those that the angels will be gathering in verse 31, will be those great tribulation saints (introduced in Rev.7:9-17), who will have made it through the tribulation period alive. These along with the remnant of Israel, will enter into the millennial kingdom and will repopulate the earth. At that time, the church, the 144,000 and the great tribulation saints--who will be in their immortal and glorified bodies-- will all rule with Christ for a thousand years on this present earth.

Pilgrimshope · Sep 6, 2020

Ahwatukee said:

okay your beginning to make a bit more sense to me . At least I’m starting to more understand where your thinking is coming from .

I see it very differently I sort of try to stick to putting scripture together to form ideas. There’s a lot of interesting thoughts in your thinking for sure though .

what do you make of this thought

man has two parts a spirit and a body made of flesh.

there are two deaths , and two resurrections mentioned in scripture one death is our bodies , the other is to be cast into the fire in the end .

would you say that’s accurate?

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

would you say the first death is our death on earth our flesh ? And that there is our spirits “ death”

if so then there are two resurrections one of our spirit like the thief on the cross which goes to be with the lord when we die the first death in this world.

and the second resurrection involves the new bodies ? The 144000 I would say are ruling now in his kingdom in heaven but honestly I’ve never really looked into that very much . Is just a thought brother I’m going to look some scriptures up regarding your thoughts and see where they lead

thanks for having the right attitude and discussing offering your ideas respectfully God bless you

Jackson123 · Sep 6, 2020

Ahwatukee said:

If you say that judgement is not for Christian, than the sheep on matt 25 are not Christian and they save

So base on your own believe that they are not Christian but save,(sheep) that mean you believe that non Christian are save.

But I am not sure why you believe this judgement only for those that experience 7 years tribulation.

Where the non believer that die before 7 years tribulation being judge.

The sheep are people that have love. Is christian before tribulation ok not to have love?

This judgement consistence with matt 7

Only the people that do the will of God will be save and the will of God is to love God and neighbor

Is that only people that experience 7 years tribulation need to do the will of God?

Mat 7

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

The Wise and Foolish Builders

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

It say evil doer like unlove work/ murder etc not go to heaven not only for people that experience 7 years tribulation

Jesus not say evil doer before 7 years tribulation go to heaven as long as have a faith.

Devil believe in god and tremble hear His name, but it doesn't save them.

Love Jesus and love other is real faith that save us.

Pilgrimshope · Sep 6, 2020

Ahwatukee said:

see what I’m seeing is mount sion which is in heaven

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

which is in heaven Where Christ is currently seated

“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭

see what I’m seeing there is the o.t saints are ruling with him already in mount sion being resurrected at his resurrection

“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:50-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we know then that “ many saints were Resurrected and appeared in jerusalem
As he had , Which is what the Old Testament promised the saints

“I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.”
‭‭Hosea‬ ‭13:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭37:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“
I am the resurrection and the life whoever believes in me will love though he dies, and whoever loves and believes in Me will never die Do you believe this ?

see we all have to do the first death , and either eternal Life And the resurrection into his coming kingdom or the second death the lake of fire

Pilgrimshope · Sep 6, 2020

Jackson123 said:

If you say that judgement is not for Christian, than the sheep on matt 25 are not Christian and they save

So base on your own believe that they are not Christian but save,(sheep) that mean you believe that non Christian are save.

But I am not sure why you believe this judgement only for those that experience 7 years tribulation.

Where the non believer that die before 7 years tribulation being judge.

The sheep are people that have love. Is christian before tribulation ok not to have love?

This judgement consistence with matt 7

Only the people that do the will of God will be save and the will of God is to love God and neighbor

Is that only people that experience 7 years tribulation need to do the will of God?

Mat 7

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

The Wise and Foolish Builders

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

It say evil doer like unlove work/ murder etc not go to heaven not only for people that experience 7 years tribulation

Jesus not say evil doer before 7 years tribulation go to heaven as long as have a faith.

Devil believe in god and tremble hear His name, but it doesn't save them.

Love Jesus and love other is real faith that save us.

Amen great post

MessageOfTheCross · Sep 6, 2020

Pilgrimshope said:

The question I asked Pastor Curtis:

Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplaced; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?

Pastor Curtis answer:

No sir I do not believe that it will according to Gal 1:6, 5:1-4, and other scriptures. The word “frustrate” means to deny or to set aside. Grace only takes place “through faith”. Grace is God doing something in, for, to, or through someone through their faith. Hope this helps.

To think we need something other than what God has provided for us in Christ and His atoning work at Calvary is to tell God, “The Cross was not enough.” Until the Church returns to faith in the Cross alone, there will be no repentance granted, for repentance can only take place as one acknowledges the Truth (2 Timothy 2:24-26), which is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.

Dino246 · Sep 6, 2020

MessageOfTheCross said:

The question I asked Pastor Curtis:

Bible study question? If the Believer is frustrating grace by their Faith being misplaced; by not placing and maintaining their Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified - will grace continue to much more abound over sin in the life of a Believer?

Pastor Curtis answer:

No sir I do not believe that it will according to Gal 1:6, 5:1-4, and other scriptures. The word “frustrate” means to deny or to set aside. Grace only takes place “through faith”. Grace is God doing something in, for, to, or through someone through their faith. Hope this helps.

To think we need something other than what God has provided for us in Christ and His atoning work at Calvary is to tell God, “The Cross was not enough.” Until the Church returns to faith in the Cross alone, there will be no repentance granted, for repentance can only take place as one acknowledges the Truth (2 Timothy 2:24-26), which is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.

I'd like to see any dictionary that defines "frustrate" as "deny or set aside".

I don't think one exists, so your "Pastor Curtis" is blowing smoke in order to support the false interpretation of Scripture he preaches.

Scribe · Sep 6, 2020

Preaching and teaching about Jesus Christ. He is the foundation and when we minister we should be glorifying Christ and making Him known. So in 1 Cor 3 he said some were following Apollos, others Paul, others Peter, and some even saying (like many of us might say in a self righteous way) "I follow Christ so I am better than all y'all heretics",

They had the wrong idea. They were suggesting that Apollos, Paul, Peter and Jesus all taught something contrary and they did not.

Then he explains the foundational teaching is Jesus and we must be careful how we build on that. Some will spend their ministry focusing on something like the proper formula used in baptism and make that the main point of all their sermons and when the stand before the judgement seat of Christ it will be burned up, wood, hay and stubble because they were not building on the right foundation a revelation of Jesus Christ.

There will be those who focus on arguing over many things that are they will get no reward for, because God never called them to preach that, they got sidetracked from preaching Jesus Christ, and him crucified. That does not mean that we teach on other topics in the bible but we must always be building on the foundation of Jesus Christ and how His Life transforms us into his image.

Paul was saying Apollos, Peter, Paul, did not teach different messages and they were in error for pitting on against another. These ministers had to make sure that they did not build with wood, hay and stubble. Preaching Jesus Christ and him crucified does not mean we can't preach about other things like the blamelessness and qualifications of an elder, or the gifts of the Holy Spirit, or any number of other things that Paul preached on who is the one who said "I determined to know nothing among you but Jesus Christ and Him Crucified."

Pilgrimshope · Sep 6, 2020

MessageOfTheCross said:

grave doesn’t mean we now don’t have to repent and come into obedience to Gods everlasting word same Paul you believe who said grace said all that other stuff I’m just not understanding where we should ignore it and say anything but the resurrection isn’t to be believed lol strange conversation honestly anyways

“ i yield sir “ I hope to find some agreement another time

Pilgrimshope · Sep 6, 2020

Pilgrimshope said:

Sorry I replied this to a different message wasn’t meant for this comment

Pilgrimshope · Sep 6, 2020

Scribe said:

Preaching and teaching about Jesus Christ. He is the foundation and when we minister we should be glorifying Christ and making Him known. So in 1 Cor 3 he said some were following Apollos, others Paul, others Peter, and some even saying (like many of us might say in a self righteous way) "I follow Christ so I am better than all y'all heretics",

They had the wrong idea. They were suggesting that Apollos, Paul, Peter and Jesus all taught something contrary and they did not.

Then he explains the foundational teaching is Jesus and we must be careful how we build on that. Some will spend their ministry focusing on something like the proper formula used in baptism and make that the main point of all their sermons and when the stand before the judgement seat of Christ it will be burned up, wood, hay and stubble because they were not building on the right foundation a revelation of Jesus Christ.

There will be those who focus on arguing over many things that are they will get no reward for, because God never called them to preach that, they got sidetracked from preaching Jesus Christ, and him crucified. That does not mean that we teach on other topics in the bible but we must always be building on the foundation of Jesus Christ and how His Life transforms us into his image.

Paul was saying Apollos, Peter, Paul, did not teach different messages and they were in error for pitting on against another. These ministers had to make sure that they did not build with wood, hay and stubble. Preaching Jesus Christ and him crucified does not mean we can't preach about other things like the blamelessness and qualifications of an elder, or the gifts of the Holy Spirit, or any number of other things that Paul preached on who is the one who said "I determined to know nothing among you but Jesus Christ and Him Crucified."

that is one of the most wonderful and edifying posts I’ve read thank you bro loved this and really needed to hear it

Ahwatukee · Sep 6, 2020

Pilgrimshope said:

Hello again, Pilgrimshope!

Thank you for saying for saying so and thank God that you are eager for the truth. First of all, all of the information that I have been posting is based on scripture, which is why I provide it to support what I am saying. This information comes from many years of personal study in God's word.

You are 2/3's correct in that humans are made up of body, soul and spirit, as the following scripture demonstrates:

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."

The soul and spirit make up the inner man, contained within the body. When the believer in Christ dies, their spirit/soul departs to be in the presence of the Lord (2 Cor.5:6-8, Phil.1:21-24). The body is buried and decays. At the resurrection, Jesus will bring with Him all of those spirits/souls who have died in Him and they will be reunited with their resurrected bodies, immortal and glorified.

You are partially correct in that, the first death is the death of this body. When a person dies without Christ, they die in their sins. At the time of death their bodies depart and go down into Hades, which is the same place the rich man went to of the rich man and Lazarus event. The scripture teaches that Both Lazarus and the rich man died, with their spirits going to Sheol/Hades conscious and aware. According to the scripture, Hades was divided in two areas separated by a great chasm/gulf. The rich man was on the side of punishment in torment in flame. And on the other side, was Abraham and Lazarus which was a place of comfort/paradise. Since Christ's resurrection, believers no longer go down into that place of comfort at the time of death, but their spirits depart and go to be in the presence of the Lord in heaven.

Yes, there two resurrections, one for the righteous and one for the unrighteous. The one for those in Christ is also referred to as the first resurrection. However, the error that many make is interpreting the word "first" as meaning only. The first resurrection has stages and could be better understood as the resurrections which take place prior to the one at the end of the thousand years. In a previous post I listed all of the resurrections which take place which belong to the first resurrection and which could not possibly take place at the same time. The resurrection of the great tribulation saints described in Rev.20:4-6, is referred to as "the first resurrection." Jesus, the church, the changing and catching up of the male child/144,000 and the two witnesses are also apart of the first resurrection. The resurrection of the unrighteous dead takes place at the end of the thousand years which is not apart of the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who take part in the first resurrection for on such the second death has no power. This infers that everyone who takes part in that other resurrection, that the second death does have power over them. Needless to say, one would not want to be apart of that resurrection at the great white throne judgment described in Rev.20:11-15. At that time, the unrighteous dead will also receive a resurrected body, albeit it, one mete for their eternal punishment. That body will be indestructible with the smoke of their torment going up forever and ever, having no rest day or night.

The 144,000 will be literal mortal men, 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel, who will come out of unbelieving Israel, acknowledging Jesus as their Messiah. This is what is figuratively meant by the woman giving birth to a Male Child in Rev.12. We know that they are actual men because Rev.14:3 states that they are those who have been redeemed from the earth. Therefore, they are not currently ruling from heaven, but will be sealed with the seal of God in their foreheads early in the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. The Male Child of Rev.12:5 is a collective name representing the 144,000 who will escape the dragon/Satan by being caught up to God and His throne in the middle of the seven years. In Rev.14:1, we see them with Jesus on the heavenly mount Zion after they have been changed immortal and glorified and caught up to be with the Lord.

Thanks be to God that you are being like the Bereans who searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was telling them was correct. Happy hunting!

Ahwatukee · Sep 6, 2020

Pilgrimshope said:

Just fyi, those people who resurrected and came out of the tombs died again. Just as with Lazarus and the synagogue leaders little daughter, they were not resurrected in their immortal and glorified bodies at that time, for they died again. The next phase of the first resurrection will be the gathering of the church, with the living being changed and caught up. No one other than Jesus has yet been resurrected immortal and glorified and the church is next.

MessageOfTheCross · Sep 6, 2020

MessageOfTheCross said:

Romans 6:18 says we are servants of Righteousness. Therefore, there is a constant pull of the Believer toward Righteousness.

Ephesians 2:10 tell us what the "good works" are. The "good works" are the Believers Trust and Faith in Jesus Christ and the Finished Work at Calvary Cross where the victory was won. These "good works" enables us to live a Holy life. The scripture says:

“10 For we are His workmanship (if we are God’s workmanship, our Salvation cannot be of ourselves), created in Christ Jesus unto good works (speaks of the results of Salvation, and never the cause), which God has before ordained that we should walk in them. (The “good works” the Apostle speaks of has to do with Faith in Christ and the Cross, which enables the Believer to live a Holy life.)” JSM

“13 For it is God which works in you (Divine enablement) both to will and to do of His good pleasure. (This refers to the Holy Spirit, Who energizes the Saint, making him not only willing but also actively desirous of doing God’s sweet Will.)” Phil. 2:13 - JSM

Remember, without Faith in Jesus Christ and His finished Work at Calvary Cross where the victory was won, it is impossible to please God. This means all works are dead works because Grace has stopped which only the Holy Spirit can produce and birth His "good works".

What works will be accepted at the "Judgement Seat Of Christ?" Why was the unprofitable servant cast into the outer darkness (Matthew 25: 14-30)?

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