Chosen by God - A study in Election

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cv5

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Before anyone works out anything, they need to know the truth.
The Holy Spirit will confirm that wholely within you.
Remember, those that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Another way of saying that the Holy Spirit must (first) dwell in you, wherewith you shall be enabled know the truth. Does that sound right to you?
 
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God Gives You A New Heart
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I will plant a new heart and spirit inside you.
I will take out your stubborn,stoney heart and give you a willing tender heart of flesh.
And I will put my Spirit inside of you and inspire you to live by my statutes and follow my laws - Ezekiel 36:26-27

When we’re born our parents take care of us,clothe us and teach us.
In many ways,we become versions of them.
Brought into the world as blank slates,our parents help shape who we are.

As a believer in Christ,we’re part of another family.

Committing ourselves to God,we offer up all that we were so that we can be remade.
Once His ,God just does that - he remakes us so that we may become a version of Him.

Though sin makes us an imperfect version,we can still aspire to be like our Father.

Being born again gives us a new start.
God takes our slate and erases all the evil and sin,leaving only the good.
He takes our hearts ,hardened by the hurt and sin and evil in the world,and gives us a hearts of flesh,able to accept His Love and share it.
He gives us the Holy Spirit,clothes us in his righteousness and teaches us through His word.

We have a chance now,no longer shaped into who we are but rather into what we should be.

My prayer to God.

Through me ,you can be a new creation.
The Holy Spirit is a gift I will never withhold.
I can soften your hardened heart.


Isn’t it a relief that we don’t have to do the work of changing our own stubborn stones hearts- because we are incapable of doing so- and that it’s God’s promise to us that he will? Sometimes it may feel like we have to work so Hardin all the myriad areas of our life that are riddled with sin and brokenness,but knowing that it’s the Holy Spirit’s job brings tremendous peace.
Our job is to focus on Jesus and listen to the Holy Spirit as we are abiding in Him and are being changed from the inside out.
 

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You might consider that since the bible tells us that God "so loved the world", that he indeed loved it and all in it, mainly because he created all things in it and didn't want any on his creation to turn away from him. The problem is, I think, that he evidently created all forms of thinking to prevent Satan from saying that some different way of thinking would have shown God that Satan's way of doing things might have worked if he had the right personality in the world. These personalities God would have known from their creation in his mind, long before their actual creation, that they would not become believers, but needed to be included in his creation to prevent the accusation by Satan that his way could have worked. He would have wished that they would become one of his family, but knew their outcome before hand.
 
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I think everyone can agree that this occurs AFTER the new birth and AFTER a new heart is put into a person. This is accomplished by God Himself according to His sovereign purposes.
Are you stating that the new birth precedes belief?
 

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Amen!...Jesus and his teachings are the truth.

I am the way the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me.
You might consider that since the bible tells us that God "so loved the world", that he indeed loved it and all in it, mainly because he created all things in it and didn't want any on his creation to turn away from him. The problem is, I think, that he evidently created all forms of thinking to prevent Satan from saying that some different way of thinking would have shown God that Satan's way of doing things might have worked if he had the right personality in the world. These personalities God would have known from their creation in his mind, long before their actual creation, that they would not become believers, but needed to be included in his creation to prevent the accusation by Satan that his way could have worked. He would have wished that they would become one of his family, but knew their outcome before hand.
Yea, people definitely twist certain scripture to fit their beliefs, but God so loved the world (ie., all nationalities, not just Israel anymore. In line with scripture to "bring them to jealousy". And that he would that all come to repentance and knowledge of the truth.
All his children. If God wants it to be so that every person comes to repentance and knowledge of the truth then it will be so. God hopes for nothing.
We are alienated from God and everything to do with him. We have to have the spirit of God to even comprehend God and all that is relavent to him and his righteous truth.
The glory of God comes before anything else in his will and word of truth, and he deserves it.
God does not leave his glory contingent on his sinful, unrighteous, finite creation to decide on a day of acceptance to "let him into their lives and heart" and worship him. Do you know hoe ignorant that sounds to me?
Wisdom tells me that the universe and everything in it has an exact appointed time or there would be no order, and chaos would reign to self destruction.
It's God who takes care of everything, even your salvation and all pertaining to it.
And therein is the truth that will make you free.
Your salvation is not something that is going to happen, but was accomplished somewhere in eternity past when out of a love we can't begin to fathom, he wrote your name in the book of life.
You shouldn't wake to obedience for accomplishment, but out of love.
To be obedient out of a loving heart is what pleases him. The truth is the pavement on which your highway of love travels.
 

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Are you stating that the new birth precedes belief?
Let's just say that these two events may be incomprehensibly inimitably irreducibly contemporaneous. Or maybe not.
 

cv5

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Yea, people definitely twist certain scripture to fit their beliefs, but God so loved the world (ie., all nationalities, not just Israel anymore. In line with scripture to "bring them to jealousy". And that he would that all come to repentance and knowledge of the truth.
All his children. If God wants it to be so that every person comes to repentance and knowledge of the truth then it will be so. God hopes for nothing.
We are alienated from God and everything to do with him. We have to have the spirit of God to even comprehend God and all that is relavent to him and his righteous truth.
The glory of God comes before anything else in his will and word of truth, and he deserves it.
God does not leave his glory contingent on his sinful, unrighteous, finite creation to decide on a day of acceptance to "let him into their lives and heart" and worship him. Do you know hoe ignorant that sounds to me?
Wisdom tells me that the universe and everything in it has an exact appointed time or there would be no order, and chaos would reign to self destruction.
It's God who takes care of everything, even your salvation and all pertaining to it.
And therein is the truth that will make you free.
Your salvation is not something that is going to happen, but was accomplished somewhere in eternity past when out of a love we can't begin to fathom, he wrote your name in the book of life.
You shouldn't wake to obedience for accomplishment, but out of love.
To be obedient out of a loving heart is what pleases him. The truth is the pavement on which your highway of love travels.
Indeed to suppose that Gods Will is not, was not and has not been firmly established in the matter of individual salvation I think is a misapprehension of the Glory of God itself.

God is no victim nor is He a bystander nor is He a reactionary nor is He a passive observer. The Bible is perfectly clear that His will shall be (and in fact has ALREADY been) established according to his wisdom and divine prerogative.

Nevertheless it is true that God's hearts desire is to see that all men should be saved, just as He yearns that all Israel might likewise be saved.
 

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Oh the irony!!!

Every single proof text of Calvinism in context and according to and understanding the grammar correctly refutes every point of Calvinism.

Staring with John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


And yes "whoever" is correct.
You who always kick against God's Word, once again show you ignore the questions asked. No attempt to explain what the Lord was teaching in the verses given. No true attempt at harmonizing Scripture. You simply retreat into those verses that seem to contradict what the other verses teach. There is no contradiction with God, only in the mind of man.
 
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You who always kick against God's Word, once again show you ignore the questions asked. No attempt to explain what the Lord was teaching in the verses given. No true attempt at harmonizing Scripture. You simply retreat into those verses that seem to contradict what the other verses teach. There is no contradiction with God, only in the mind of man.
Really, all Calvinism proof texts have already been put into context by many and they do support TULIP.

Did I see you exegete those verses I posted.?

From my following this thread may people have refuted "irresistible grace" the foundation of Calvinism.... have you dealt with any post by @Nehemiah6 @dcontroversal @Bbrdrd @John146


“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…”
Ephesians 1:13
 

cv5

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You who always kick against God's Word, once again show you ignore the questions asked. No attempt to explain what the Lord was teaching in the verses given. No true attempt at harmonizing Scripture. You simply retreat into those verses that seem to contradict what the other verses teach. There is no contradiction with God, only in the mind of man.
Yes, I too find this obstinacy bizarre. Some here earnestly seek God's council.....others.....not so much.
 

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Really, all Calvinism proof texts have already been put into context by many and they do support TULIP.

Did I see you exegete those verses I posted.?

From my following this thread may people have refuted "irresistible grace" the foundation of Calvinism.... have you dealt with any post by @Nehemiah6 @dcontroversal @Bbrdrd @John146


“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…”
Ephesians 1:13
Oh please, ladies first.
 
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Yes, I too find this obstinacy bizarre. Some here earnestly seek God's council.....others.....not so much.
I think being obstinate to false teaching is a good thing.

Tell me have you figured how your version of "election" works without irresistible grace?
 
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Oh please, ladies first.
What would is be John 6? Let me know?

.... do you not find it interesting the same exact proof texts are used over and over again... it is like a script.
 
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Yea, people definitely twist certain scripture to fit their beliefs, but God so loved the world (ie., all nationalities, not just Israel anymore. In line with scripture to "bring them to jealousy". And that he would that all come to repentance and knowledge of the truth.
All his children. If God wants it to be so that every person comes to repentance and knowledge of the truth then it will be so. God hopes for nothing.
We are alienated from God and everything to do with him. We have to have the spirit of God to even comprehend God and all that is relavent to him and his righteous truth.
The glory of God comes before anything else in his will and word of truth, and he deserves it.
God does not leave his glory contingent on his sinful, unrighteous, finite creation to decide on a day of acceptance to "let him into their lives and heart" and worship him. Do you know hoe ignorant that sounds to me?
Wisdom tells me that the universe and everything in it has an exact appointed time or there would be no order, and chaos would reign to self destruction.
It's God who takes care of everything, even your salvation and all pertaining to it.
And therein is the truth that will make you free.
Your salvation is not something that is going to happen, but was accomplished somewhere in eternity past when out of a love we can't begin to fathom, he wrote your name in the book of life.
You shouldn't wake to obedience for accomplishment, but out of love.
To be obedient out of a loving heart is what pleases him. The truth is the pavement on which your highway of love travels.
Your formulation puts God as needing creation for His glory, even if your solution is God forcing creatures to worship Him. God's glory does not increase or decrease when one puts their faith in Him, even if no human being worshipped Him His glory would remain the same. It remains unchanged from eternity regardless of what any human being does or doesn't do.
What does diminish God's glory is the notion that it is not great enough for men to freely worship. The notion that perception of His beauty will somehow result in a gamble as to whether it will be seen as glorious and He may be rejected. God's glory in salvation is that He can leave it to men's free will and trust that not a single individual who He judges worthy of revealing Himself will reject Him.
 

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I think being obstinate to false teaching is a good thing.

Tell me have you figured how your version of "election" works without irresistible grace?
Yes. Yes I have. And so can you. I urge you, plead with you and beg you to listen to this sermon series and UNDERSTAND the Love of God and how this applies DIFFERENTLY
to believers and unbelievers!


http://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/90-77

Great message from John MacArthur http://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/90-78

I will post more later....but PLEASE everyone will you LISTEN to these messages!
 

cv5

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Your formulation puts God as needing creation for His glory, even if your solution is God forcing creatures to worship Him. God's glory does not increase or decrease when one puts their faith in Him, even if no human being worshipped Him His glory would remain the same. It remains unchanged from eternity regardless of what any human being does or doesn't do.
What does diminish God's glory is the notion that it is not great enough for men to freely worship. The notion that perception of His beauty will somehow result in a gamble as to whether it will be seen as glorious and He may be rejected. God's glory in salvation is that He can leave it to men's free will and trust that not a single individual who He judges worthy of revealing Himself will reject Him.
For pity's sake man I beg you to hear the sermons I just posted. Please.
 
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For pity's sake man I beg you to hear the sermons I just posted. Please.
Reading through a significant portion of the first one I see no reason to, considering that his answer is "Shut up, my version of god is unquestionable." It seems you'd fail to see the issue with Elihu's speech in Job, since that's exactly what Elihu was telling Job. But God seemed to have a different idea since He gave Job an answer.
There are two threads at play here, the truth that God's judgment is beyond questioning and evil men sheltering their doctrine from legitimate questions through appealing to God's authority. Your doctrine deserves an answer, it must make sense with the character of God as revealed in the Bible. Simply telling your opponents to be quiet because you don't have an answer is nothing more than pride on your part, believing your own interpretation to be as good as God's word.
 

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Oh by the way, who cares about TULIP, I am only interested in what the Bible teaches.
Does that mean that you unequivocally repudiate TULIP, since it is seriously at odds with what the Bible teaches?
 
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