Chosen by God - A study in Election

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cv5

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Those who follow the Holy Spirit (1) adhere strictly to the Word of God, not the doctrines of men, and (2) allow the Holy Spirit to compare Scripture with Scripture to establish Gospel Truth. So what is Gospel Truth as plainly revealed in Scripture?

1. Adam's disobedience brought the curse of sin and death upon all mankind.

2. Therefore all human beings are sinners and need a Savior.

3. Christ took upon Himself the sins of the whole world as the Lamb of God.

4. God desires that all men should be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5. Therefore God now commands all men everywhere to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

6. Christ commanded that this Gospel be preached to all nations and to every creature. Which means that absolutely no one is excluded from the grace of God and the finished work of Christ.
I absolutely agree. God's love is shed upon the whole world. God's message of grace and forgiveness is for ALL men everywhere.
More to follow but for now I have a Church conference call Until 8 PM.
I have some fantastic information to pass along see you then.
 

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Amen.....maybe we can cure you of Calvinism.:)
This sermon series "the Love of God" By John MacArthur destroys these foolish notions of "Calvinism" that are so misunderstood by so many.

Interestingly National Israel is used as an example. God was stated to be the Savior and Redeemer of the ENTIRE NATION......yet only a remnant was in fact saved. And the scripture is perfectly clear on the matter....... that God LOVED the Israelites in spite of their protracted sinning!

So it is today. Jesus Christ is the Savior and Redeemer of the ENTIRE WORLD......yet only a little flock of believers are saved. And likewise Jesus Christ LOVES the unsaved in the world today, despite their turning away from Him in their protracted sinning.

The Love of God, Part 1
The Love of God, Part 2
The Love of God, Part 3

I am finished listening to this series and I hope you will do the same. God willing it will dispel this unscriptural and ignorant false dichotomy between so called "Calvinism" and man's sovereign will and choice once and for all.
 

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Phil 2:12-13
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Ps 110:3
Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
 
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Seems so much here lately has been about bashing Calvin and Calvinism, that the true focus is being ignored.
 
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Those who follow the Holy Spirit (1) adhere strictly to the Word of God, not the doctrines of men, and (2) allow the Holy Spirit to compare Scripture with Scripture to establish Gospel Truth. So what is Gospel Truth as plainly revealed in Scripture?

1. Adam's disobedience brought the curse of sin and death upon all mankind.

2. Therefore all human beings are sinners and need a Savior.

3. Christ took upon Himself the sins of the whole world as the Lamb of God.

4. God desires that all men should be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5. Therefore God now commands all men everywhere to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

6. Christ commanded that this Gospel be preached to all nations and to every creature. Which means that absolutely no one is excluded from the grace of God and the finished work of Christ.
Why does 2 automatically follows from 1, but 5 does not automatically follow from 3?

The final Adam's work was less powerful than the first Adam?
 
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So it is today. Jesus Christ is the Savior and Redeemer of the ENTIRE WORLD......yet only a little flock of believers are saved. And likewise Jesus Christ LOVES the unsaved in the world today, despite their turning away from Him in their protracted sinning.
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While I agree with the words, under a system of sovereign election the only way to rectify claiming God loves those He chose for damnation is if His love is like a common abuser.

It's a distortion of the word love to the point where it is totally unrecognizable to say that God loves the whole world, even the unsaved, if the only thing that prevents the unsaved from being saved is God choosing not to save them. Especially if God has an active role in your view of hell, inflicting conscious punishment on the damned.
 
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Ephesians 1:4-5

For he chose us in him before the creation of the world ....etc.
 

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Why does 2 automatically follows from 1, but 5 does not automatically follow from 3? The final Adam's work was less powerful than the first Adam?
That is because God has established two conditions for salvation: (1) repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).

IOW obedience to the Gospel is a requirement. And all are commanded to obey the Gospel. But some will not do so (John 3:18-20).
 
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That is because God has established two conditions for salvation: (1) repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).

IOW obedience to the Gospel is a requirement. And all are commanded to obey the Gospel. But some will not do so (John 3:18-20).
But so long as you are born of Adam, you are automatically condemned when you are born.

There is no need to believe in Adam to be condemned, but one need to believe in Christ to be saved.

Therefore the first Adam was more powerful than the final Adam? Is that a yes?
 

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Before anyone works out anything, they need to know the truth.
The Holy Spirit will confirm that wholely within you.
Remember, those that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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Before anyone works out anything, they need to know the truth.
The Holy Spirit will confirm that wholely within you.
Remember, those that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Amen!...Jesus and his teachings are the truth.

I am the way the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me.
 
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The word Context could be in Neon glowing 30 foot letters and the finger of God pointing at them and many would still ignore it like she does.
Agree....it would mean nothing....some people think they are the context of everything in scripture.
 
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The truth is Jesus.

No one can see the Kingdom Of God Unless They Are Born Again.

That is when you start your journey with the Holy Spirit,who leads you into his truth and only his truth.

Not man made religion....
 
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That’s not in Scripture.
It is in my Bible.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Its not a work of guessing or wondering how many will beleive for him. he who is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases. If the names are written down he will perform that which he has appointed to them . Giving us a new heart so that we can believe. Some murmur others believe willfully and the will of God work is in them to both will .

Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:

If he makes your heart soft you can know your name is written . The 2 books will be opened.

1) The book of life .Every creature he planed to create. And breath in the breath of temporal life.

2) The lambs book of life. Those who have been given a new spirit that will never die.

When the books are compared whoever name is not written in the lamb book of life will be erased from the book of life. Both books will be in agreement

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
 

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Two key verses here folks. Pivotal and elemental in my opinion. These verses really help put the puzzle together!

John 7:17
If anyone wills to do His will, [[[then!]]] he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority.

John 8:31-32
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, [[[then!]]] you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, andthe truth shall make you free.”
 

cv5

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It is in my Bible.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Its not a work of guessing or wondering how many will beleive for him. he who is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases. If the names are written down he will perform that which he has appointed to them . Giving us a new heart so that we can believe. Some murmur others believe willfully and the will of God work is in them to both will .

Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:

If he makes your heart soft you can know your name is written . The 2 books will be opened.

1) The book of life .Every creature he planed to create. And breath in the breath of temporal life.

2) The lambs book of life. Those who have been given a new spirit that will never die.

When the books are compared whoever name is not written in the lamb book of life will be erased from the book of life. Both books will be in agreement

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Beautiful post my friend. Thank you for your contribution.
 

cv5

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That is because God has established two conditions for salvation: (1) repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).

IOW obedience to the Gospel is a requirement. And all are commanded to obey the Gospel. But some will not do so (John 3:18-20).
I think everyone can agree that this occurs AFTER the new birth and AFTER a new heart is put into a person. This is accomplished by God Himself according to His sovereign purposes.
 
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