Calvinism and Context?

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Bbrdrd said:
Absolutely, though such humor can come across very differently since text completely lacks any information about intent.

I will also add that some of my attitude is due to the dismissiveness that is prevalent among reformed theologians of any contrary positions rather than specifically something you've said so I do recognize I need to rein it in and not hold you accountable for the current state of theological discussion.
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I appreciate your sincere response and thank you for it. And I agree that we must endeavor to keep the flame wars from destroying Christian Chat. I love this place let's keep it a beautiful garden filled with an aroma pleasing to the nostrils of God.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Being born again is regeneration/eternal life. The Holy Spirit does not indwell a non-believer ... that is plain wrong.

This occurs after belief, not before.

14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

Jesus made it clear to Nicodemus in John 3.
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And the absolute truth, the serpent was open for ALL TO SEE and every man, woman and child bitten had the FREE WILL and God given CHOICE to look and LIVE or NOT....

EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES!!!

NOT everyone who is forced and willed saved by God without no choice and or no gospel!
 
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Bbrdrd said:
Who does the believing, us or God?
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God brought me to believe.....we cannot bring ourselves....how can a human believe in God,without the Lord willing it...they can't...sorry that is my belief and it's set in stone...never to be denied...so I won't be arguing over it.......as it then gets personal and the thread is locked.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I just showed you the sequence.
And please do not tell me what I do and do not understand.

The Holy Spirit does NOT indwell a non born again person ................and testifying to our spirit is about being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which confirms our new birth.

This is does not happen prior to belief.
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Amen....ONE MUST be BORN AGAIN FROM ABOVE by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED before the HOLY SPIRIT indwells and testifies with our spirit that we have been born again.
 
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jackrosie said:
God brought me to believe.....we cannot bring ourselves....how can a human believe in God,without the Lord willing it...they can't...sorry that is my belief and it's set in stone...never to be denied...so I won't be arguing over it.......as it then gets personal and the thread is locked.
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That doesn't actually answer my question, who does the believing?
 
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Bbrdrd said:
That doesn't actually answer my question, who does the believing?
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Your question doesn't make sense to be honest....I answered your question as I believed it should have been answered.....sorry if you feel it didn't answer your question.
 
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Bbrdrd said:
That doesn't actually answer my question, who does the believing?
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She said a week ago that God willed her saved and she had no choice in the matter, no gospel message and it was after she was saved that it got explained to her........
 
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jackrosie said:
Your question doesn't make sense to be honest....I answered your question as I believed it should have been answered.....sorry if you feel it didn't answer your question.
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It's a bit sad that such a simple question doesn't make sense to you. Perhaps human doctrines have overcomplicated a simple thing making the situation murky for you.

Someone believes the gospel in order to be saved, is it you or God?
 
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dcontroversal said:
She said a week ago that God willed her saved and she had no choice in the matter, no gospel message and it was after she was saved that it got explained to her........
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You are a liar!!......I said no such thing about no gospel message......show me where I said no gospel message?...I said I never read a bible before I was saved....you continue I will have no choice but to report you.
 
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Bbrdrd said:
It's a bit sad that such a simple question doesn't make sense to you. Perhaps human doctrines have overcomplicated a simple thing making the situation murky for you.

Someone believes the gospel in order to be saved, is it you or God?
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Not at all......I have not been indoctrinated by anyone.your question didn't make sense.
 
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dcontroversal said:
She said a week ago that God willed her saved and she had no choice in the matter, no gospel message and it was after she was saved that it got explained to her........
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If she really said such a thing that's sad. But since I didn't see it, your informing me of it is nothing but gossip.
 
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jackrosie said:
Not at all......I have not been indoctrinated by anyone.your question didn't make sense.
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Ok, then why does such a simple question confuse you? Who believes the gospel, you or God?
 
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dcontroversal said:
She said a week ago that God willed her saved and she had no choice in the matter, no gospel message and it was after she was saved that it got explained to her........
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No gospel message and it was after she was saved that it got explained to her.


Show me where I said that....,you pick on me once more and I will involve admin....LEAVE ME ALONE!!
 
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Bbrdrd said:
Ok, then why does such a simple question confuse you? Who believes the gospel, you or God?
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A question that doesn't make sense...I told you God brought me to believe ....I had heard about the gospel at school and a vicar,who I happened to be working for...when I was saved...it was very personal.

Was saving was completely and utterly unexpected.it blew my mind.
 
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dcontroversal said:
She said a week ago that God willed her saved and she had no choice in the matter, no gospel message and it was after she was saved that it got explained to her........
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Correct .....why does a person need a Gospel message if God wills their salvation anyway?

Except that scripture states otherwise.
 
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jackrosie said:
A question that doesn't make sense...I told you God brought me to believe ....I had heard about the gospel at school and a vicar,who I happened to be working for...when I was saved...it was very personal.
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The question seems rather simple but I guess I'll try to explain it to you.

Someone believes the gospel in order to be saved.

There are two individuals, you and God.

In order for you to be saved, who believes the gospel you or God?
 
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EleventhHour said:
Correct .....why does a person need a Gospel message if God wills their salvation anyway?
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Show me the post where I said this.....you accuse me once more...I will get admin involved....
 
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Bbrdrd said:
The question seems rather simple but I guess I'll try to explain it to you.

Someone believes the gospel in order to be saved.

There are two individuals, you and God.

In order for you to be saved, who believes the gospel you or God?
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I was chosen,drawn and saved by God...it seems like you aren't understanding my simple explanation .
 
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