Ginsberg went home

[shittim]

"So you don't believe that the Holy Spirit draws a person to Christ and then they become saved"
no

Have posted this before that Job 33-14 tells us God speaks first one way then another, we just don't perceive it. Also, I think it is in Romans that the goodness of god calls us to repentance.
So often we tend to think things are either one way or they other when in Gods ways it is both and more.

 

[Truth7t7]

I am a little concerned because at least 3 Republican senators are reluctant to proceed. The thing is, Trump's pick does not necessarily have to be confirmed by Nov 3 but rather by Dec 31. Even if Trump loses (unlikely) he is still the president until Jan 20 @ 12 noon. Even if the Republicans lose the Senate (unlikely) the new crop does not get sworn in until Jan 1, 2021. As long as the pick is confirmed by Dec 31 the outcome of the general election, either way, will not impact the confirmation process. Godspeed on the president's choice to be confirmed.

I Agree, President Trump Has Plenty Of Time, However It Would Be Nice To Have A New Justice Before The Nov 3rd Election, To Hear The Future Challenges On The Election Fraud, That I Believe The Democrats Have In Motion Currently?

President Trump has until Jan 3rd, 2021 to confirm and swear in his nomination, the 20th amendment below shows the Senate's term is up on Jan 3rd

Wikipedia: The Twentieth Amendment (Amendment XX) to the United States Constitution moved the beginning and ending of the terms of the president and vice president from March 4 to January 20, and of members of Congress from March 4 to January 3. It also has provisions that determine what is to be done when there is no president-elect. The Twentieth Amendment was adopted on January 23, 1933.[1]

 

[tourist]

President Trump has until Jan 3rd, 2021 to confirm and swear in his nomination, the 20th amendment below shows the Senate's term is up on Jan 3rd

Wikipedia: The Twentieth Amendment (Amendment XX) to the United States Constitution moved the beginning and ending of the terms of the president and vice president from March 4 to January 20, and of members of Congress from March 4 to January 3. It also has provisions that determine what is to be done when there is no president-elect. The Twentieth Amendment was adopted on January 23, 1933.[1]

Thanks for the clarification. Seriously, this has to be done. I am sure that Trump will nominate a strong pro-life jurist.

 

[shittim]

He who has begun this good work is faithful to complete it, we will continue in prayer and fasting for this.

 

[Truth7t7]

He who has begun this good work is faithful to complete it, we will continue in prayer and fasting for this.

Just Curious Questions?

Do you oppose homosexuality and killing the unborn (Abortion)?

 

[shittim]

As Christians we are no longer our own, we are hidden in Him, we don't have opinions, we have positions based on scripture, how does scripture guide us in this?

 

[Truth7t7]

Thanks for the clarification. Seriously, this has to be done. I am sure that Trump will nominate a strong pro-life jurist.

I strongly believe the Republican Senate will have a replacement confirmation before the Nov 3rd election.

The Republican Senate can lose (3) votes and have VP Mike Pence as the tie breaker for a majority.

The liberal Media is pushing republican incumbent re-election fears?

Don't kid yourself, the Senators know exactly how important their votes are, and replacing the most liberal figure in history (Ruth B. Ginsburg) with a conservative justice, I believe of the (Highest Importance) in the American political system.

I personally see a worse case scenario as Murkowski, Collins, and Romney as possible defectors, with VP Pence as the tie breaker.

 

[tourist]

I strongly believe the Republican Senate will have a replacement confirmation before the Nov 3rd election.

The Republican Senate can lose (3) votes and have VP Mike Pence as the tie breaker for a majority.

The liberal Media is pushing republican incumbent re-election fears?

Don't kid yourself, the Senators know exactly how important their votes are, and replacing the most liberal figure in history (Ruth B. Ginsburg) with a conservative justice.

I personally see a worse case scenario as Murkowski, Collins, and Romney as possible defectors, with VP Pence as the tie breaker.

TRUMP / PENCE
MAGA

 

[Truth7t7]

As Christians we are no longer our own, we are hidden in Him, we don't have opinions, we have positions based on scripture, how does scripture guide us in this?

Just Curious Direct Questions?

Do you oppose (Homosexuality) and killing the unborn (Abortion)?

 

[Truth7t7]

And I am so sorry that because I dont like Trump, a man (not God) that you have decided that I am not a Christian. I cannot decide who on this site is/is not a Christian. Who/who is not saved based on exchanges on a computer. Words on a page.

My political stance on Trump shouldn't be a deal-breaker re my religious beliefs. But appaently it is.
I have not judged you to be a fool nor do I think you have revealed your true colors because you favor Trump.
I obey Jesus, not Trump. That really is the jist of it for me.

Trust me. I am no fool.

I hate to see the arguing here on this site But when i said I dislike Trump I really set everyone off. All of a sudden I lost my religion? No. Not that easy. I follow jesus. Trump is NOT God. He is a man.

Nobody said President Trump is God, it's your (Fake News) false narrative, suffering from TDS 10th stage.

I endorse President Trump on his (Pro-Life) position alone.

Joe Biden endorses killing the unborn (Abortion)

There isn't a greater evil in this world, than to kill the innocent unborn child (Abortion) 100% Evil!

To vote for a (Pro-Abortion) candidate (Joe Biden) is endorsing and approving of this evil, in killing the (Innocent) unborn.

PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP RELEASES LETTER TO PRO-LIFE LEADERS

September 03, 2020

As Joe Biden caves to the radical pro-abortion left and works to implement nationwide, taxpayer-funded abortion until birth, President Trump has stood strong in his pro-life commitments. President Trump is the most pro-life president in American history, and with four more years in the White House he will continue to transform the federal judiciary by appointing judges who recognize the sanctity of life and finally defeat the Democrat-backed abortion industry.

Today in North Carolina, Vice President Mike Pence met with pro-life leaders at the Susan B. Anthony List while Eric Trump led an Evangelicals for Trump event, demonstrating the Trump Administration's strong pro-life convictions. In a letter to leaders in the pro-life movement, President Trump reiterated his commitment to defend the unborn:

"As I seek re-election this November, I need your help in contrasting my bold pro-life leadership with Joe Biden’s abortion extremism. The Democratic Party unequivocally supports abortion on-demand, up until the moment of birth, and even infanticide -- leaving babies to die after failed abortions. Joe Biden’s embrace of this extreme position is most evidenced by his support for taxpayer funding of abortion on-demand. Forcing taxpayers to pay for abortions is an abhorrent position that must be defeated at the ballot box. Joe Biden has doubled down on these positions with his selection of abortion extremist Kamala Harris as his running mate. With your help, I will win re-election, ensuring we have another four years to fight in the trenches for unborn children and their mothers."

 

[SoulWeaver]

So you don't believe that the Holy Spirit draws a person to Christ and then they become saved.

I did not say that...

You believe people can be saved without knowing Jesus as their personal Savior.

I said something different, I definitely didn't use the phrase "personal savior" as I don't use it (not in the Bible)... The Bible simply states it's necessary to know Jesus to be saved, and I believe that as I breathe. I stated that Jesus Himself is the only Way. One must have Him present (in the inner man) to have eternal life; not merely a correct story or belief about Him; that won't do. I believe most believers would be in unison on that; don't know what caused misunderstanding there...
How do you define "knowing Jesus as personal savior"?
Does Rahab fit your definition of someone who knew Jesus?
The Bible says God justified her then and there. Who could it be that personally Advocated for her to the Father to count her with the just?
Being a heathen, Rahab was convicted in spirit by God, and her faith was counted as righteousness. I'm glad you are talking about the distinction between knowing Jesus and knowing of Him. That's exactly what I am getting at... Did Rahab know of Jesus? No.
God's hands and His inner workings are not tied up by historical timetable or availability of theological lessons or Messianic prophecy.

 

[kaylagrl]

I did not say that...
I said something different, I definitely didn't use the phrase "personal savior" as I don't use it (not in the Bible)... The Bible simply states it's necessary to know Jesus to be saved, and I believe that as I breathe. I stated that Jesus Himself is the only Way. One must have Him present (in the inner man) to have eternal life; not merely a correct story or belief about Him; that won't do. I believe most believers would be in unison on that; don't know what caused misunderstanding there...

Thank you, we have the same understanding then. While the words personal Savior isn't in the Bible, I believe the concept is.

How do you define "knowing Jesus as personal savior"?
Does Rahab fit your definition of someone who knew Jesus?
The Bible says God justified her then and there. Who could it be that personally Advocated for her to the Father to count her with the just?
Being a heathen, Rahab was convicted in spirit by God, and her faith was counted as righteousness. I'm glad you are talking about the distinction between knowing Jesus and knowing of Him. That's exactly what I am getting at... Did Rahab know of Jesus? No.
God's hands and His inner workings are not tied up by historical timetable or availability of theological lessons or Messianic prophecy.

I have unsaved loved ones, I don't gleefully relish anyone going to hell. And I believe God is a God of mercy. Not everyone will be saved at a church alter. I'm not limiting God, only by what His Word says. But with this post I think we believe close to the same thing. Easy believism has crept into the church. We need to be careful that we are not like certain churches though that think they can get a loved one into heaven after they have passed on.

 

[kaylagrl]

Kayla-"says no one will be without excuse "
This seems an unhandy way to say this-
New King James Version
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

I am not sure it conveys the meaning you intend.
best wishes

I challenge you to read the entire passage and then look up "without excuse" in several commentaries. You will find they all agree and say the same thing I said.

 

[kaylagrl]

You vote your conscience. Many do believe that Republicans are all prolife & anti homosexuality ... but this just isn't true. Some are even atheists. They have many reasons besides these two issues for voting and so it should be.

Plenty of people are conservative and not Christians. No news bulletin there. And some believe in abortion, Collins of Maine, I think she has no issue with abortion. In my view she should be forced to leave the party. The platform of the Republican party is against abortion, or abortions with restrictions and in extreme cases. Dems are for abortions at any point in the pregnancy and no restrictions. 60 million aborted babies since Roe. That's the population of Canada. It's extremely important to vote pro-life, and it ought to be one of the biggest things as a Christian that guides how we vote.

The truth is this: If you vote Republican (last 50 years lets say) .... abortion still remains legal and NO ONE. NOT ONE PRESIDENT ... NOR THE SUPREME COURT (which is what it takes) has ended abortion. Abortion was made legal, btw, during a Republican Administration (1970/
can't remember his name. He resigned.

That was in 73. The knowledge we had then and now are totally different. We know things now medically and scientifically that we didn't know then. Abortion was suppose to be rare and safe, that was the motto. Now abortions are being used as birth control. Just because no one hasn't done it before, doesn't mean this president won't.

 

[shittim]

" no one will be without excuse " looks like "everyone will have an excuse", it is a double negative. I don't think that is what you meant.
I copied the scripture I believe you were alluding to, it isn't a double negative. not arguing with you.

 

[kaylagrl]

" no one will be without excuse " looks like "everyone will have an excuse", it is a double negative. I don't think that is what you meant.
I copied the scripture I believe you were alluding to, it isn't a double negative. not arguing with you.

No, not trying to argue either. But if you look up commentary that is what it says that it means. What do you think it means would be the better question.

 

[shittim]

What the scripture says to me is He will have encountered all before it is too late and they will not have a "leg to stand on" that they had not been given the opportunity to come to Him for salvation, let alone the walk with Him that goes beyond salvation.
Many stop at salvation and rest there in, we are to grow into the image of the Son to the point where people see us and what we do and are and find us indistinguishable from what Christ would say, do and manifest.
Jesus modeled this, His first act of changing the water into wine grew into raising Lazarus and onward.

 

[Truth7t7]

I did not say that...



I said something different, I definitely didn't use the phrase "personal savior" as I don't use it (not in the Bible)... The Bible simply states it's necessary to know Jesus to be saved, and I believe that as I breathe. I stated that Jesus Himself is the only Way. One must have Him present (in the inner man) to have eternal life; not merely a correct story or belief about Him; that won't do. I believe most believers would be in unison on that; don't know what caused misunderstanding there...
How do you define "knowing Jesus as personal savior"?
Does Rahab fit your definition of someone who knew Jesus?
The Bible says God justified her then and there. Who could it be that personally Advocated for her to the Father to count her with the just?
Being a heathen, Rahab was convicted in spirit by God, and her faith was counted as righteousness. I'm glad you are talking about the distinction between knowing Jesus and knowing of Him. That's exactly what I am getting at... Did Rahab know of Jesus? No.
God's hands and His inner workings are not tied up by historical timetable or availability of theological lessons or Messianic prophecy.

Only those sealed by the Holy Spirit will be eternally saved, those that hear and believe.

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

 

[Truth7t7]

Just Curious Direct Questions?

Do you oppose (Homosexuality) and killing the unborn (Abortion)?

Shittim you gave a thumbs up to the previous post above, however you haven't answered the question.

Just Curious Direct Questions?

Do you oppose (Homosexuality) and killing the unborn (Abortion)?

 

[Rosemaryx]

Shittim you gave a thumbs up to the previous post above, however you haven't answered the question.

Just Curious Direct Questions?

Do you oppose (Homosexuality) and killing the unborn (Abortion)?

I think you have to tag him...
@shittim ...Hope this helps...
...xox...