Mosaic Law

[Corban]

Ruth completely surrendered to the living God, unlike in Nehemiah's day he says half the children of the mixed marriages could only speak their pagan language. It seems reasonable to say they were not being taught from scripture.

Here are some of those "exceptions".

Isiah 58:1Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
8The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

I'll accept your quote from Isaiah, but it does not come from the Law. It came centuries later than Ruth the Moabitess. But ... accepted.

The reason that at Nehemiah's time they spoke in a pagan language is that they were all born in Babylon. They were second generation in captivity and Akkadian/Aramiac was the official language. We see this at Pentecost in Acts 2. Jews they were, but could not speak the language of Jerusalem. Thus, tongues were given. Language is certainly not an indicator of a man and/or woman's piety. Those in Jerusalem were "pious" men who had come far for the Feast of Weeks.

I think the main argument for Ruth being allowed into the congregation was another Law - the Law of the "loosened shoe" in Deuteronomy 25:5-10. Mahlon and Chillion had an inheritance in Israel by Covenant. Of course, Ruth's vow to worship the God of Israel was decisive, but it is not recorded as an exception to the Moabites and Ammonites. More likely is the importance of the Covenant with Abraham for the Land. However, as you will gather from my wording, I wouldn't go to the barricades for this.

I enjoyed the exchange. Thanks, and go well bro.

 

[Karraster]

I'll accept your quote from Isaiah, but it does not come from the Law. It came centuries later than Ruth the Moabitess. But ... accepted.

The reason that at Nehemiah's time they spoke in a pagan language is that they were all born in Babylon. They were second generation in captivity and Akkadian/Aramiac was the official language. We see this at Pentecost in Acts 2. Jews they were, but could not speak the language of Jerusalem. Thus, tongues were given. Language is certainly not an indicator of a man and/or woman's piety. Those in Jerusalem were "pious" men who had come far for the Feast of Weeks.

I think the main argument for Ruth being allowed into the congregation was another Law - the Law of the "loosened shoe" in Deuteronomy 25:5-10. Mahlon and Chillion had an inheritance in Israel by Covenant. Of course, Ruth's vow to worship the God of Israel was decisive, but it is not recorded as an exception to the Moabites and Ammonites. More likely is the importance of the Covenant with Abraham for the Land. However, as you will gather from my wording, I wouldn't go to the barricades for this.

I enjoyed the exchange. Thanks, and go well bro.

Yeah, the Word is deep and we can't know it all in this lifetime. I enjoyed it too, you are a gentleman.

 

[soggykitten]

One of the more important laws which is yet to be obeyed is never to add or take away from the Word of God.

I believe that should respond totally to your postsed question.

How so?

 

[soggykitten]

Did God provide Mosaic Law to Moses, or did Moses come up with law? Meaning, did God specifically tell Moses to write this law, as He did with the Ten Commandments? Based on my understanding, people presented their issues to Moses, and Moses and a few other elders came up with the law. To put it in perspective, it would be like saying Supreme Court law is from God.

Please present support from the Bible.

Exodus 31
God provided the law to Moses. "Then God said unto Moses...."

 

[Blik]

To my knowledge mosaic law are From God
Example


Leviticus 1
1 The Lord called to Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting. He said, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When anyone among you brings an offering to the Lord, bring as your offering an animal from either the herd or the flock.

It is from the Lord that they were told to use the blood of animals, and that was because it requires blood for the forgiveness of sin. Christ gave His blood, and then we were told that to use the blood of animals was to deny Christ.

When animal blood was used before Christ, not for the forgiveness of sin but as something to feed the Lord as the idol worshippers did, God said he hated that blood. We are to go to Christ for the forgiveness of sin, that is the purpose of Christ giving His blood. If we do not repent of our sin and don't give it to Christ for forgiveness, we are misusing Christ.

 

[JaumeJ]

How so?

JaumeJ said:
One of the more important laws which is yet to be obeyed is never to add or take away from the Word of God.

I believe that should respond totally to your postsed question.

Were this not so there would be not a single denomination, unless you believe Jesus, Yeshua, formed part of any one of them...

 

[garee]

Deuteronomy 30:10 should settle it. "If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul."

There are about 620 laws recorded by Deuteronomy 31:24 when Mose "finished" writing the Book of the Laws and put it in the Ark of the Covenant "as a witness against Israel". The Law is "God's Law", given by the mediation of angels, to Moses to write, and is the Law of God (Rom.7:22), the Law is spiritual (Rom.7:14), and the Law is good (Rom.7:16). Added to this, the Law

1. is the contents of the Covenant of Sinai (Ex.24:7)
2. is ONLY given to Israel (Lev.26:46)
3. will not pass for Israel until it be fulfilled by them (Matt.5:18)
4. is fulfilled by Jesus but not Israel (Matt.5:17)
5. is the content of the New Covenant (Jer.31:31-33)
6. is nailed to the cross and abolished for the New Man (Eph.2:15; Col.2:14)

The Captains, Elders, Levites and finally Moses were there to adjudicate complicated matters in Israel which were not covered by direct speaking of the Law. An example might be the case of Ruth. Moabites are not allowed into the congregation of Israel until the tenth generation, that is, forever (Deut.23:3). On what basis is she allowed to become the wife of Boaz? This is complicated. She is part of the lineage of Christ, but a Moabites? How so?

The word forever is is used two ways in the Bible . Forever as the lifespan of this creation under the Sun. Or forever and ever without end shown by 10 to represent a unknown as the entire . Moabites were not allowed into the congregation of Israel as born again forever and ever. Israel at that time was used to represent the eternal body as the bride of Christ. Her name was changed to Christian . Unbelieving gentiles have no part of salvation forever and ever .A person must be born again Christian

.The law was given to reveal the gospel. Not sure why the phrase "Mosaic law" was coined . It is not the law of Moses .

The whole book of the law the Bible is the law of God .In that way the book of the law offers no private interpretations as theories of men. every word is law not subject to change

By the law of God it condemns those. And by the same law he has mercy on some. Without it men perish.

So then not 10 commandments or 620 but the whole as one commandment. Believe God . Numbering is not walking by faith

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

 

[Corban]

The word forever is is used two ways in the Bible . Forever as the lifespan of this creation under the Sun. Or forever and ever without end shown by 10 to represent a unknown as the entire . Moabites were not allowed into the congregation of Israel as born again forever and ever. Israel at that time was used to represent the eternal body as the bride of Christ. Her name was changed to Christian . Unbelieving gentiles have no part of salvation forever and ever .A person must be born again Christian

.The law was given to reveal the gospel. Not sure why the phrase "Mosaic law" was coined . It is not the law of Moses .

The whole book of the law the Bible is the law of God .In that way the book of the law offers no private interpretations as theories of men. every word is law not subject to change

By the law of God it condemns those. And by the same law he has mercy on some. Without it men perish.

So then not 10 commandments or 620 but the whole as one commandment. Believe God . Numbering is not walking by faith

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Thank you for your response. I have read it and noted it, and I'll consider it.

Take care and go well bro.

 

[Dino246]

The word forever is is used two ways in the Bible .

Apply this logic to "apostle" in the thread you started.

 

[Blade]

When God through Moses saved His people.......read study what happen during that time all the way to the MTN. Thats when something changed

So going to the MTN Israel complained and God blessed them. Again Israel murmured and God blessed them. They even grumbled and again God blessed them. HAHA God didn't bless them because they were faithful as I read it. So at the MTN (Sinai) something changed. where now the blessings of God hinged on?

This is what Israel has always done. GOD wanted to be their king "they rejected me as their king". On and on. So try telling GOD you can do ANYTHING He says.. talk like that.. see what GOD does

 

[garee]

Apply this logic to "apostle" in the thread you started.

The word apostle is used one way ."Sent one".

Abel is the first recoded apostle.

 

[Dino246]

The word apostle is used one way ."Sent one".

Abel is the first recoded apostle.

Wrong, and wrong.

The word, "apostle" is indeed used more than one way, and Abel was not "sent" therefore even by your narrow definition, Abel was not an apostle.

 

[soggykitten]

JaumeJ said:
One of the more important laws which is yet to be obeyed is never to add or take away from the Word of God.

I believe that should respond totally to your postsed question.

Were this not so there would be not a single denomination, unless you believe Jesus, Yeshua, formed part of any one of them...

And yet, the passage that warns not to add to or take away from what is in this book, is not a passage that is referring to the new testament nor the whole bible. Rather, it is the warning the apostle John gave during his exile on the isle of Patmos in the Aegean where he authored, (exiled but still with parchment and writing instruments?When he was being prosecuted because he refused to stop preaching the Gospel, yet was allowed writing materials so as to continue to write on behalf of God and the Gospel?), what we know as the Book of Revelation.

 

[soggykitten]

The word apostle is used one way ."Sent one".

Abel is the first recoded apostle.

What scripture tells you the man who was murdered by his brother Cain was the first recorded apostle?

Apostle = Messenger.
apostle (n.)
Old English apostol "messenger," especially the twelve witnesses sent forth by Jesus to preach his Gospel (Luke vi.13), from Late Latin apostolus, from Greek apostolos "messenger, envoy," literally "person sent forth," from apostellein "send away, send forth," from apo "off, away from" (see apo-) + stellein in its secondary sense of "to send," from PIE *stel-yo-, suffixed form of root *stel- "to put, stand, put in order," with derivatives referring to a standing object or place. Compare epistle.

The current form of the word, predominant since 16c., is influenced by Old French apostle (12c., Modern French apôtre), from the same Late Latin source. Meaning "missionary who brings Christianity to a new region or people" is from early 15c. Figurative sense of "chief advocate of a new principle or system" is from 1810. The New Testament book title Apostles (c. 1400) is short for "The Acts and Epistles of the Apostles."

 

[Karraster]

And yet, the passage that warns not to add to or take away from what is in this book, is not a passage that is referring to the new testament nor the whole bible. Rather, it is the warning the apostle John gave during his exile on the isle of Patmos in the Aegean where he authored, (exiled but still with parchment and writing instruments?When he was being prosecuted because he refused to stop preaching the Gospel, yet was allowed writing materials so as to continue to write on behalf of God and the Gospel?), what we know as the Book of Revelation.

Actually, brother JaumeJ is correct.

See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it. Deut 12;32
Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30 ;5,6

Then one may wonder, how can the NT be legit then? Well, I'd say because it was prophesied about "the" one coming who would speak the Words of the Most High and that we must listen/obey Him.....the Son of course.

“Moses said, ‘THE LORD GOD SHALL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN; TO HIM YOU SHALL GIVE HEED in everything He says to you.

 

[soggykitten]

Actually, brother JaumeJ is correct.

See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it. Deut 12;32
Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30 ;5,6

Then one may wonder, how can the NT be legit then? Well, I'd say because it was prophesied about "the" one coming who would speak the Words of the Most High and that we must listen/obey Him.....the Son of course.

“Moses said, ‘THE LORD GOD SHALL RAISE UP FOR YOU A PROPHET LIKE ME FROM YOUR BRETHREN; TO HIM YOU SHALL GIVE HEED in everything He says to you.

Actually, Deuteronomy 12:32 appears to put an end to the argument the Mosaic (God's) law is now void. However, it is not related to John's statement regarding the Book of Revelation. Deut 12 is speaking to something else. God's statutes, laws, and ordinances.

The Central Sanctuary
Deuteronomy 12:1
Idolatry and False Prophets
32 (13:1)[aq] You[ar] must be careful to do everything I am commanding you. Do not add to it or subtract from it![as]

1. Proverbs 30:6 tn The form of the verb is a Niphal perfect tense with a vav consecutive from the root כָּזַב (kazav, “to lie”). In this stem it has the ideas of “been made deceptive,” or “shown to be false” or “proved to be a liar.” One who adds to or changes the word of the Lord will be seen as a liar.

The Proverbs verse would then make a lie every version of the Bible we have today as far as the new testament is concerned. We do not have the autographs, we have copies of copies of the texts that were used to create the new testament. And then there is the matter of all those versions of God's word.

 

[Karraster]

Actually, Deuteronomy 12:32 appears to put an end to the argument the Mosaic (God's) law is now void. However, it is not related to John's statement regarding the Book of Revelation. Deut 12 is speaking to something else. God's statutes, laws, and ordinances.

The Central Sanctuary
Deuteronomy 12:1
Idolatry and False Prophets
32 (13:1)[aq] You[ar] must be careful to do everything I am commanding you. Do not add to it or subtract from it![as]

1. Proverbs 30:6 tn The form of the verb is a Niphal perfect tense with a vav consecutive from the root כָּזַב (kazav, “to lie”). In this stem it has the ideas of “been made deceptive,” or “shown to be false” or “proved to be a liar.” One who adds to or changes the word of the Lord will be seen as a liar.

The Proverbs verse would then make a lie every version of the Bible we have today as far as the new testament is concerned. We do not have the autographs, we have copies of copies of the texts that were used to create the new testament. And then there is the matter of all those versions of God's word.

The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalm 12:6-7, KJV)

I think the Creator of everything that has been created is able to preserve His Words and trust the modern translations have not lost enough so as to make the overall point unattainable. Furthermore, the OT and NT harmonize, and if every you think they do not, keep studying.

 

[Blik]

And yet, the passage that warns not to add to or take away from what is in this book, is not a passage that is referring to the new testament nor the whole bible. Rather, it is the warning the apostle John gave during his exile on the isle of Patmos in the Aegean where he authored, (exiled but still with parchment and writing instruments?When he was being prosecuted because he refused to stop preaching the Gospel, yet was allowed writing materials so as to continue to write on behalf of God and the Gospel?), what we know as the Book of Revelation.

Whenever God speaks, not matter what the "context" the Lord is speaking from the lord. No word is in opposition to any other word. God never changes His mind. There are different situations to explain the principles of the Lord but the principles remain the same. We are never to change those principles by adding or taking away.

 

[infinitekhanol]

Karraster, posted

There are several "exception clauses" in the Word. To sum it up, Ruth swore an oath to her MIL Naomi, your God will be my God, your people my people. The judgement was based on spiritual condition and not ethnicity. Boaz married a dedicated follower of YHWH, not a pagan idolater.[/QUOTE]


I agree wholeheartedly.

The judgement was and is still based today on spiritual condition, not on race, ethnicity or nationality.

 

[pottersclay]

The law of God .... beautiful....perfect.....holy.....it was given by God.....written with his finger in stone entrusted to moses to deliver to Israel. And so it was. With Devine guidance moses and the elect sought to place traditions and feast and customs and ordinances to fulfill the law which God honored.
Soon Israel became obsessed with serving the law more than serving God. Rewarding their self for following and condemning others for failing they became self serving and ruling over.
You see the law was perfect but their was a sorta flaw a yet to be fulfillment.
The flaw was there was no escape. Israel took that to mean that because they were of Abraham's seed that justified them to God. Not realizing the practicing of the law the feast, Sabbaths, ordinances ECT were pointing to the one to come. He was the fulfillment. The escape.

For all have sinned......there is none righteous no not one.

The law is perfect..there is not one "save Christ "who is perfect and fulfilled the law, that ever walked this earth.

The law is Holy......it has been challenged by the most religious, devout believers, and still remains supreme. It rings true from the day it was carved into stone to today. It withstands the test of time
For it is appointed for everyone to die once.....then the judgement.

Beautiful......because it points out how everyone is in need of a savior. How far we have fallen from our first estate. What is wrong with man kind. Why our hearts are troubled. How much we need God's mercy and blessings and forgiveness.

For God so so so loved the world that he gave his only son......our escape.