Officers involved in Breonna Taylor case will not face homicide charges, grand jury says...

soggykitten · Sep 23, 2020

I think we first have to remember also that Ms. Taylor was an EMT. And the cops that shot her, all three, were in plain clothes!
Imagine this scenario. You're asleep. You hear someone break through your locked house door. Investigating you see three people wearing street clothes in your house.

I would wonder about that. That the cops announced prior to breaking in. Namely because a bill was pursued in her name to ban no knock warrants and was passed. If the cops did announce themselves why the pursuit against a no knock warrant that cites her murder in this case and that refers to the no knock warrant?

Maybe what the neighbors heard was the cops announcing after they gained entry and the shooting started. Ms. Taylor was killed in a crossfire and sustained many shots from police. And keep in mind, she and her BF were asleep when police broke in.
Supposedly, the initial issued no knock warrant was changed to a knock and announce warrant just before the raid. I'd love to see the paperwork on that.Or is it just a CMA? Because Ms. Taylor's BF and eleven other witnesses stated there was no announcement by police.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/podcasts/the-daily/Breonna-Taylor.html?

This is another reason for my calling this murder. She was briefly alive after taking all those shots. But no one tried to help her. (Link below includes 911 call recording)
https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...-minutes-after-being-shot-records/5389881002/

Rest in peace dear lady. May justice prevail.

soggykitten · Sep 23, 2020

Susanna said:

I'm actually quite sick of reading of police misconduct that causes innocent civilians to suffer injury or death.
Anyone who has encountered a dirty cop know how it feels.

Dirty corrupt cops who believe they are able to break the law as law enforcement are a threat to everyone. And added to that they mar the image of all good cops due to the bad ones getting the publicity for their actions.

I believe police are to be held to a standard of professionalism and responsibility exceeding that of the common public.

Because they are not only armed with a firearm but also pepper spray, tasers, and a club, and also have at their disposal long guns. Shotguns, or AR15's or like it. All are weapons.
I further believe that every effort should be made when executing a warrant at night to insure the right address is being entered.
And I also believe no knock warrants should be banned nationwide. I thought this when they were first announced as a new policy with police, and I remain convinced that these are actually death warrants. For civilian and police alike.

Dead of night, kick in a door, guns raised, handguns and rifles, without announcing ones self is not healthy. As we see.

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 23, 2020

soggykitten said:

How does this turn into a discussion about Wuhan and Covid 19? Does miss Taylor's case deserve more respect than going off topic?
Guess not.

Now the investigation goes on and federal charges could ensue. Lets pray so. Federal is a stronger penalty phase than state.
The Mayor of Louisville KY declared a state of emergency ahead of the announcement. That tells us the temperature in Louisville. The police were justified in killing her in defense of themselves?
I wonder if those murderers are adding security to themselves and their family homes? People know their names and what they look like.
One day, what with all the corrupt police getting away with murder thus far, and killing people in broad daylight without concern for witnesses capturing their evil live on smartphones, I fear we're going to hear of a vigilante justice system taking place. Either on scene or after a pathetic decision like this.
I pray the federal charges are brought. These men are unfit to wear the badge.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/grand-jury-present-report-breonna-taylors-death-73192526
The only charges brought by the grand jury were three counts of wanton endangerment against fired Officer Brett Hankison for shooting into Taylor’s neighbors’ homes during the raid on the night of March 13. The FBI is still investigating potential violations of federal law in the case.

Because I went off topic.
Here was the facts of the event.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/kent...t-no-knock-officers-justified-in-use-of-force
Tragic yes. But it was an accident from a shootout started by her boyfriend.

kaylagrl · Sep 23, 2020

Susanna said:

I’m feeling tired and old when reading all the criticism against law enforcement. Yes, we make mistakes again and again, but does any of you know anything about being an operative? Do you know what it’s like to arrive at a scene under fire or the threat of fire? Do you know that you have to make a decision in a split second whether you should pull that trigger or not? Do you always know what is behind a front door? Why are our lives not worth anything?

These are harsh words, I know, but I’m sick of this now.

Ky also has a stand your ground law. Don't know if that was part of it or not.

lenna · Sep 23, 2020

PennEd said:

well that changes a few things. I haven't kept up with this case and kept hearing it was a no knock break in thing

anyway, tonight they will most likely explode over there once it's dark

thanks

lenna · Sep 23, 2020

soggykitten said:

say what?

SoulWeaver · Sep 23, 2020

Susanna said:

I'm sorry Susanna. I deeply empathize with people in the police force. They are not supposed to be fodder for criminals and they deserve to be kept safe too. The biggest problem is that nowadays everyone wants to be Twitter judge and jury. It seems from what I've read that the police was the guilty party on this one (a lot of times it's not the case) and shot an innocent person, but the media loves inciting rage so much (because it sells) that you can't even believe anything that's reported anymore. A lot of info usually doesn't come up until the trial. I am hesitant to form any opinions on these cases any more because there is usually no telling what really happened, we don't hear the whole truth because sensationalism. The situation may look like one way and turn out to be something completely different when everything is exposed. So I make effort to not judge after appearances and that's what I learned out of this whole thing, all these contested cases.

Truth7t7 · Sep 23, 2020

soggykitten said:

'THE WARRANT WAS NOT SERVED AS A NO-KNOCK WARRANT,' KENTUCKY AG SAYS

Author: WHAS11 News Staff
Published: 7:38 PM EDT September 23, 2020

Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron said Louisville Metro officers knocked and announced themselves before breaching the door to Breonna Taylor's apartment.

Truth7t7 · Sep 23, 2020

SoulWeaver said:

We agree, a bad situation and event, sad.

The police did get the wrong address, they did knock and identify themselves, if the boyfriend would have submitted and not fired shots it would have been a 10 minute ordeal.

Yes the police had the wrong address, yes the police knocked and identified themselves before entering, yes the boyfriend fired shots at the police, yes the police returned fire killing Breonna Taylor.

Sad

1ofthem · Sep 23, 2020

Two officers have already been shot in the riot tonight. FBI and Swat are now responding, too.
https://www.wlky.com/amp/article/lmpd-officer-wounded-in-downtown-shooting/34133637

lenna · Sep 23, 2020

1ofthem said:

soggykitten · Sep 23, 2020

Roughsoul1991 said:

And yet,The Killing of Breonna Taylor, Part 2
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/podcasts/the-daily/Breonna-Taylor.html?
At 12:40 a.m., the police began banging on her door and eventually rammed it down. The couple’s shouted pleas for those at the door to identify themselves, Mr. Walker said, went unanswered. Afraid and confused, he fired a single shot. The police discharged a hail of bullets into the apartment, killing Ms. Taylor.
“So there’s just shooting, like we’re both on the ground,” Mr. Walker said of the raid. “I don’t know where these shots are coming from, and I’m scared.”

If you read the full transcript at that link you may see there's a cover up going on after the fact. Initially there was a no knock warrant issued. That's key. A no knock warrant was issued first!
Then we're told just before this raid, as described in the transcript, a knock and announce warrant was issued.
Some cops don't follow that second order when for whatever reason they know they were initially told to execute a no knock warrant.
Eleven witnesses and Ms.Taylor's boyfriend stated there was no announcement by police when they breached the entry into Ms.Taylor's home.

Truth7t7 · Sep 23, 2020

Susanna said:

I Agree 100%<, Back The Blue!

The officers knocked and identified themselves before entering, the boyfriend opened fired on the officers, they returned fire, and Breonna ended up the victim?

Sad, if the boyfriend would have submitted it would have been a 10 minute ordeal, follow up investigation and lawsuit.

soggykitten · Sep 23, 2020

Bears repeating again also I think. If this did go down as a knock and announce, it is odd that activists would pursue repeal of the no knock warrant in Ms.Taylor's name if it was not a no knock warrant entry.
Keep in mind the AG and others can be executing a CYA so as to offset reprisals due to the no knock warrant's impact on Ms. Taylor. Especially suspect is the fact that officials admit a no knock warrant was initially issued. And according to the transcript in the prior link, Ms. Taylor's BF did not start shooting first.

But had he done so, when plain clothes people broke into their home in the early morning hours without announcing themselves, who could blame him for protecting himself and her?

Also, what should not be forgotten in this is that police had the wrong house when they were serving this warrant!
And Ms. Taylor was shot eight times and was still alive! While laying in her home 20 minutes unattended by EMT's! And after this raid, changes were made in police body cam policy and no knock warrant policy. If this wasn't a no knock warrant, why the change to that policy after activists pursued that very thing and won?
Also, what isn't widely reported with this latest horrific tragedy to Ms. Taylor is that 17 months prior to this Louisville police botched another raid!
Doesn't seem like they're well versed in executing raids does it. This video shows police clearing the house immediately after they killed Ms. Taylor. Who was laying on her floor dying, while her boyfriend pleads with police to help her. They didn't! The police breaking into Ms.Taylor's home were in street clothes! And did not look like uniformed cops.

soggykitten · Sep 23, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

You realize those are not the actual undisputed facts?
Back the Blue? Even if they're wrong? What about George Floyd? Back the Blue?

Truth7t7 · Sep 24, 2020

soggykitten said:

Bears repeating again also I think. If this did go down as a knock and announce, it is odd that activists would pursue repeal of the no knock warrant in Ms.Taylor's name if it was not a no knock warrant entry.
Keep in mind the AG and others can be executing a CYA so as to offset reprisals due to the no knock warrant's impact on Ms. Taylor. Especially suspect is the fact that officials admit a no knock warrant was initially issued. And according to the transcript in the prior link, Ms. Taylor's BF did not start shooting first.

But had he done so, when plain clothes people broke into their home in the early morning hours without announcing themselves, who could blame him for protecting himself and her?

Also, what should not be forgotten in this is that police had the wrong house when they were serving this warrant!
And Ms. Taylor was shot eight times and was still alive! While laying in her home 20 minutes unattended by EMT's! And after this raid, changes were made in police body cam policy and no knock warrant policy. If this wasn't a no knock warrant, why the change to that policy after activists pursued that very thing and won?
Also, what isn't widely reported with this latest horrific tragedy to Ms. Taylor is that 17 months prior to this Louisville police botched another raid!
Doesn't seem like they're well versed in executing raids does it. This video shows police clearing the house immediately after they killed Ms. Taylor. Who was laying on her floor dying, while her boyfriend pleads with police to help her. They didn't! The police breaking into Ms.Taylor's home were in street clothes! And did not look like uniformed cops.

After reading both sides I can't fully disagree?

If it wasn't a no knock warrant, why change policy, Why no body cams?

As for Breonna not having EMT attention, her boyfriend was armed and wouldnt come out?

A sad situation, her family gets $12 million settlement, can't bring her back?

Roughsoul1991 · Sep 24, 2020

soggykitten said:

And yet,The Killing of Breonna Taylor, Part 2
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/podcasts/the-daily/Breonna-Taylor.html?
At 12:40 a.m., the police began banging on her door and eventually rammed it down. The couple’s shouted pleas for those at the door to identify themselves, Mr. Walker said, went unanswered. Afraid and confused, he fired a single shot. The police discharged a hail of bullets into the apartment, killing Ms. Taylor.
“So there’s just shooting, like we’re both on the ground,” Mr. Walker said of the raid. “I don’t know where these shots are coming from, and I’m scared.”

If you read the full transcript at that link you may see there's a cover up going on after the fact. Initially there was a no knock warrant issued. That's key. A no knock warrant was issued first!
Then we're told just before this raid, as described in the transcript, a knock and announce warrant was issued.
Some cops don't follow that second order when for whatever reason they know they were initially told to execute a no knock warrant.
Eleven witnesses and Ms.Taylor's boyfriend stated there was no announcement by police when they breached the entry into Ms.Taylor's home.

It was determined by a Grand Jury who had all the facts. I trust that. And justice was served. Tragic event. But when shots are fired, crap happens. Accidents happen. Mistakes happen. But I will never riot over .001 of cases.

GST · Sep 24, 2020

soggykitten said:

Maybe I’m a little more dense than the average per son, but do you have all the facts, I don’t because I don’t have the Grand Jury documents. My understanding was that the Police did not serve a no knock warrant. They banged on the door and announced themselves. (Verified by a neighbor). Was reported by many that she was shot while asleep in bed, not true. She was standing next to her boyfriend who fired first hitting a cop in the leg. (If you were a cop what would you do if under fire. It’s scary, I’ve been there.)

Many have said they were surprised, but if they didn’t hear the Police announce themselves, what were they doing out of bed, In the hallway not the Bedroom and holding a gun in a shooting position. Have heard that her name was on the warrant which leads me to think that the Cops were at the right address and due to her involvement with a known drug dealer and were looking for something. So much is out there for human consumption but until the Grand Jury docs are released everyone should cool their jets. I’m going on what the Kentucky AG reported. I, as is the case many times, might be wrong, but I need to know more ”FACTS”, not the stuff the news media is floating around.

Karraster · Sep 24, 2020

GST said:

Maybe I’m a little more dense than the average per son, but do you have all the facts, I don’t because I don’t have the Grand Jury documents. My understanding was that the Police did not serve a no knock warrant. They banged on the door and announced themselves. (Verified by a neighbor). Was reported by many that she was shot while asleep in bed, not true. She was standing next to her boyfriend who fired first hitting a cop in the leg. (If you were a cop what would you do if under fire. It’s scary, I’ve been there.)

Many have said they were surprised, but if they didn’t hear the Police announce themselves, what were they doing out of bed, In the hallway not the Bedroom and holding a gun in a shooting position. Have heard that her name was on the warrant which leads me to think that the Cops were at the right address and due to her involvement with a known drug dealer and were looking for something. So much is out there for human consumption but until the Grand Jury docs are released everyone should cool their jets. I’m going on what the Kentucky AG reported. I, as is the case many times, might be wrong, but I need to know more ”FACTS”, not the stuff the news media is floating around.

Thank you! Well said.

lenna · Sep 25, 2020

GST said:

that's it right there

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