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You bet, if it would have been a white security guard, BLM would be marching in the streets without face covering or social distancing.
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Godsgirl83
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There is nothing irrelevant about it...... had this been a white officer with a black woman it would have a MUCH different response........ nothing hypocritical nor hypothetical about that.
And yet, when white officers enforce the law on black people, (it doesn't matter what it was over) riots break out and BLM as well as others following in that direction rise up and DOMESTICALLY TERRORIZE cities.............
You actually agree with me that "wearing masks" is not a law. I said that repeatedly in this thread. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact that mask wearing is only policy. I feel I was crystal clear and yet you repeat the same thing as if we disagree. lol
What you're not responding to is that the woman WAS NOT ARRESTED for NOT WEARING A MASK. We both agree she should NOT be arrested for refusing to wear a mask. Thank God we don't live in a country that would arrest for that. Nevertheless, she was arrested for trespassing as she was told to leave the premises and refused. This isn't opinion nor is it my opinion... this is just fact. If we know that refusing to wear a mask is not an arrestable offense and the woman WASN'T arrested for that reason... then WHY was she arrested? Oh... right, for not leaving the premises after she was warned that by not leaving she'd be trespassing.
As you can see, this situation isn't even about wearing masks. It's about people not liking the fact that [criminal] trespassing is an enforceable law which can result in the person breaking the law being arrested. That's the bottom line.
No, what's hypocritical is blaming the cop for enforcing the law. I actually agreed with an irrelevant point you are making that if it was a White cop who did this to a Black woman, then BLM would be up in arms about it. However, let's be fair... In that scenario, a lot of people who are blaming the cops for arresting this woman would then change their standpoint and say "Well, the White cop was enforcing the law. He asked the Black woman to leave and she didn't. He warned her that she'd be criminally trespassing. If you just listen to the cop, you won't get tased or arrest, but noooooo... You break the law and blame the cop for enforcing the law!"
Do you disagree with my opinion (as I said, we can't pawn hypothetical scenarios as facts) that people's view would be reversed on BOTH sides? Hense, it's 100% hypocritical.
I don't tell people to obey the law and obey law enforcement officers giving lawful orders to people of one skin color. I tell people that regardless of their skin color. Likewise, I hold people accountable for NOT obeying lawful orders. What did the cop in this incident do wrong?! He could be Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, etc... and at the end of the day, he is justified in arresting the woman for breaking the law. The woman could be Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, etc... and at the end of the day, she is still trespassing and breaking the law.
Ohio's health department laid out the mandate below
The female was at an outdoor event, and 20 feet away from everyone with her family, she complied with Ohio law below.
Will the false have a strong case against this school district? I believe so
I don't believe a school district can supercede State Policy, let alone physically abuse, taste, and arrest?
I'm gonna watch this one!
Ohio Statewide and City-Based Mandatory Mask Mandates: What Employers Need .
The use of a face mask is now mandatory statewide in Ohio. In the most recent installment of government mandates, a new Ohio Department of Health Director’s Order, which became effective July 23, 2020, mandates all individuals in the State of Ohio wear facial coverings at all times when (1) in any indoor location that is not a residence, (2) outdoors and unable to remain socially distanced of six feet or more from non-household/family members, or (3) waiting for, riding, driving, or operating public transportation or car services.
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Godsgirl83
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All I'm going to say to this (AGAIN) is that the woman claims she has asthma. I don't care if she's black, white, pink. purple, yellow, orange or polka dot! She stated she has a medical condition which keeps her from wearing the mask, and the school/athletics department can not request her to leave (or deny her entrance) due to such.
100% correct, the mask issue is a (Political) issue, "Many" school districts are in the political game, in my opinion this female was part of the game.
Can a school superintendent create rules/laws that supercede State law seen below, in mandatory requirements for outdoor events when social distancing was clearly met, time will tell, because that girl has 100 lawyers knocking on her door right now.
Ohio Statewide and City-Based Mandatory Mask Mandates: What Employers Need .
The use of a face mask is now mandatory statewide in Ohio. In the most recent installment of government mandates, a new Ohio Department of Health Director’s Order, which became effective July 23, 2020, mandates all individuals in the State of Ohio wear facial coverings at all times when (1) in any indoor location that is not a residence, (2) outdoors and unable to remain socially distanced of six feet or more from non-household/family members, or (3) waiting for, riding, driving, or operating public transportation or car services.
I don't think you know how laws and policies work from what you're saying in this post (I mean no disrespect or offense by saying this either). I'll frame this differently so it makes a little more sense.
If I allow you to come into my house, you are not trespassing when you step foot in. Now, if the "policy" in my house is "You cannot take the Lord's name in vain." you can still legally say "Oh my ***!!!!", but I have every right to then revoke my invitation to you to be in my house. If you refuse to leave after I have verbally told you to leave, that is considered trespassing. If a police officer came to my house and I told him that you are no longer welcome in my house, he will tell you to leave. If you refuse to leave and say you aren't doing anything wrong, the police officer will warn you that you're trespassing and that you will be arrested if you do not comply with his/her lawful orders. If you do not comply, and you are arrested, you do not have the right to say "I was arrested for saying 'Oh my ***!' "
You were told to leave BECAUSE you said "Oh my ***", but you were actually arrested for refusing to leave after you were verbally warned of trespassing. Does this make it a little more clear (hopefully)?
So while my private house is not the same as school property, a statewide mandate applies to the public, but not public school property, as they have similar right to set policy on that property as I have to set rules (policy) on my property. The fact it's a public school doesn't mean that they can't create a more strict policy than the statewide policy.
Please Read The Blue Highlighted (Order)
Girl your 100% correct, the State of Ohio has an exclusion in the Director’s Order, no mask for those that can wear one due to respiratory conditions, and she did inform them she had asthma.
She was socially distanced, at least 15 feet away from others.
The school district is going to be paying a big chuck $$$$ on this one!
You have to leave because of your medical condition, while she is meeting State mandated guidelines?
Ohio Statewide and City-Based Mandatory Mask Mandates: What Employers Need .
The use of a face mask is now mandatory statewide in Ohio. In the most recent installment of government mandates, a new Ohio Department of Health Director’s Order, which became effective July 23, 2020, mandates all individuals in the State of Ohio wear facial coverings at all times when (1) in any indoor location that is not a residence, (2) outdoors and unable to remain socially distanced of six feet or more from non-household/family members, or (3) waiting for, riding, driving, or operating public transportation or car services.
To elaborate: A public school HAS to follow the statewide mandate that masks have to be worn assuming public schools were open and students were going to class. They can't decide to do less than what the statewide mandate states, but they can extend the mandate within their school policy.
Think of Roe vs. Wade. That is the law of the land unfortunately. All states have to allow for abortion up to a certain point. However, each state can set policies/standards that make it more easy or difficult for someone to get an abortion. For example, a conservative state can require that the mother be shown a video of her unborn child before she has an abortion. This is an effective deterrent. However, the state cannot say "No, you cannot have an abortion."
Think of Roe vs. Wade. That is the law of the land unfortunately. All states have to allow for abortion up to a certain point. However, each state can set policies/standards that make it more easy or difficult for someone to get an abortion. For example, a conservative state can require that the mother be shown a video of her unborn child before she has an abortion. This is an effective deterrent. However, the state cannot say "No, you cannot have an abortion."
You can't create a rule that excludes a person with a medical condition (Asthma) from her child's game, because she can't wear a face covering on public property, when the female was meeting State guidelines as seen below in the order highlighted in blue, read it.
The police or school district in any city can do the same, but the Logan school district is gonna pay a big chunk of $$$$$$$ to that girl, and that ain't no joke.
Medical condition exclusion (Asthma) discriminated against, physically abused, tased, arrested, Infront of her children that are traumatized, while following State guidelines?
$$$$$$$$Money$$$$$$$
Ohio Statewide and City-Based Mandatory Mask Mandates: What Employers Need .
The use of a face mask is now mandatory statewide in Ohio. In the most recent installment of government mandates, a new Ohio Department of Health Director’s Order, which became effective July 23, 2020, mandates all individuals in the State of Ohio wear facial coverings at all times when (1) in any indoor location that is not a residence, (2) outdoors and unable to remain socially distanced of six feet or more from non-household/family members, or (3) waiting for, riding, driving, or operating public transportation or car services.
Whether that cop SHOULD have arrested the woman is one discussion. However, the other discussion is the fact that in many cases, when it comes to interactions between citizens and law enforcement, headlines will state that "person X was arrested for Y". When in reality, person X does action A which leads to action B (and maybe C) and that person ends up getting arrested for B or C. But the headline will read "Person X arrested for action A" (when actually the arrest was the result of action B or action C).
I hope that makes sense.
I hope that makes sense.
If she is medically exempt, she should have shown the documentation. If she didn't have it on her, the police officer can't just take her word for it.
Medical exemption in relation to Covid-19/mask wearing is a new phenomenon. If it sticks around, we will absolutely see new legislation about it. For now, without proper documentation, a person has to comply. What's interesting is that a police officer or store owner cannot legally ask why you're medically exempt... but they do have the right to see if you have documentation to back that claim up.
You can ask someone to leave for not complying with policy. If she had a medical exemption, and she showed it to the police officer, then this is an entirely different scenario. From the video, I didn't see any documentation presented to the policy officer.
Where I'm from, when you start out saying "she was arrested for not wearing a mask" and then change the argument to "well, she has asthma, she can't wear the mask"... that's called "moving (shifting) the goalpost".
If yall want to speculate or talk about medical exemption with documentation, I'm down for that discussion. This situation doesn't appear to reflect that whatsoever. Claiming to have asthma and being medically exempt are not synonymous.
Example: I park my car in a disabled spot without having the appropriate tags. A police officer comes up to me and says I have to move my car or he'll write me a ticket. I say, "But sir, I'm disabled". Do you expect him just to take my word for it and NOT write me a ticket? If he did, he wouldn't really be enforcing the law... Maybe I really am disabled, it still doesn't alleviate me from my responsibility of moving my car if I don't have the proper tags to show that I'm disabled and that I can park there.
This isn't a rhetorical post. If you disagree with this post, please respond and I promise to be respectful and civil.
This isn't a rhetorical post. If you disagree with this post, please respond and I promise to be respectful and civil.
Your a real big smile
You show me Ohio law, or Logan School district policy that a person must show a medical doctors evaluation of a condition when claimed, to be excluded from facial covering on public property?
Until then your silenced, waiting?
Precisely.
I am legally blind and I have a handicap parking placard (plus an accompanying card in my wallet). Anyone who drives me around cannot legally park in an H/C space for me if I don't have that placard. While I am indeed visually impaired, a police officer would be correct in issuing my driver (and/or me) a ticket for parking illegally in a H/C space if I'm unable to prove or affirm my disability with the placard.