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[Forgiven83]

the Manner that we need to have faith in God and Him alone ABSOLUTELY, that there is only one way, not ever religion, leads into heaven ABSOLUTELY. That I can't save myself That I must fully trust in the Works Of Jesus Christ for My salvation ABSOLUTELY, And If I trust in some work that I can do for my salvation that it is sinking sand ABSOLUTELY PRAISE the LORD. and that life is just a vapor that appeareth for a little while then it vanishes and there is no time to waste when it comes to someones salvation ABSOLUTELY

it's very easy to verbally beat someone to a pulp when you're hiding behind your computer screen isnt it?

You're a bully. Flat out. Just because you use scripture to do it doesn't make it any better than the school yard thug who takes people's lunch money and gives the nerdy kids wedgies!! Ok, thats a sterotype, but I've known many many people like you who THINK that they're somehow more knowledgable and more superior to others to the point where you justify your own self importance. I don't believe for a SECOND that the tone you use has anything to do with truth, or any true sense of urgency to "save souls" - you have no idea about the person who asked the original question, whether she's saved or not, whether she's walking with the Lord or not, whether she's actually a part of the denomination in question or not....you have NOT earned your way into her realm of thinking and therefore you have NO RIGHT to make assumptions and wield God's word like some kind of club reading to thump people on the head so they can think the way you do!!! You really need to do some study into the different methods of evangelism, and how the confrontational method is the LEAST widely effective and should be used with CAUTION. I truly don't believe that you have put any thought into your audience at all, and I would be very hard pressed to find any kind of humility or love in your words. There is no room for God to work and what it appears to me is that you're taking matters into your own hands and doing things on your own strength rather than letting God lead you - and that is going about it ALL WRONG. GOD WINS SOULS, NOT YOU!

Honestly...if I were an unbeliever and rocked up to your church and you spoke to me in a sermon the way you bully people on here, I would be DEVASTATED and wouldn't come back. Try and have some humility and entertain the notion that the full on approach is not ALWAYS the right one. Jesus may have been confrontational, but he was also the Son of God and spoke with AUTHORITY - Authority means he had the RIGHT to speak to people's hearts. You're not the son of God, ur a sinner same as the rest of us and therefore need to look to GOD for authority instead of just assuming you have it because you're a pastor.

 

[KingdomGeneration]

it's very easy to verbally beat someone to a pulp when you're hiding behind your computer screen isnt it?

You're a bully. Flat out. Just because you use scripture to do it doesn't make it any better than the school yard thug who takes people's lunch money and gives the nerdy kids wedgies!! Ok, thats a sterotype, but I've known many many people like you who THINK that they're somehow more knowledgable and more superior to others to the point where you justify your own self importance. I don't believe for a SECOND that the tone you use has anything to do with truth, or any true sense of urgency to "save souls" - you have no idea about the person who asked the original question, whether she's saved or not, whether she's walking with the Lord or not, whether she's actually a part of the denomination in question or not....you have NOT earned your way into her realm of thinking and therefore you have NO RIGHT to make assumptions and wield God's word like some kind of club reading to thump people on the head so they can think the way you do!!! You really need to do some study into the different methods of evangelism, and how the confrontational method is the LEAST widely effective and should be used with CAUTION. I truly don't believe that you have put any thought into your audience at all, and I would be very hard pressed to find any kind of humility or love in your words. There is no room for God to work and what it appears to me is that you're taking matters into your own hands and doing things on your own strength rather than letting God lead you - and that is going about it ALL WRONG. GOD WINS SOULS, NOT YOU!

Honestly...if I were an unbeliever and rocked up to your church and you spoke to me in a sermon the way you bully people on here, I would be DEVASTATED and wouldn't come back. Try and have some humility and entertain the notion that the full on approach is not ALWAYS the right one. Jesus may have been confrontational, but he was also the Son of God and spoke with AUTHORITY - Authority means he had the RIGHT to speak to people's hearts. You're not the son of God, ur a sinner same as the rest of us and therefore need to look to GOD for authority instead of just assuming you have it because you're a pastor.

My sentiments exactly Forgiven83.

I do realize that I could have handled this situation with a little more compassion myself, and for that I do apologize. However, I am sick & tired of the bullying that's been going on and it seems to be coming primarily from one source.

The thing that I find incredibly odd is that the people who preach unconditional grace and love are also the same people who are the most confrontational and argumentative. The same people who teach that God is quick to forgive all sin (past, present, and future) are the same people who love to shout heresy and blasphemy and take it into their own hands to pass judgment on someone else, declaring boldly that a person who does not agree with their doctrine is going to hell. Such behaviour is down right hypocritical in my book.

 

[JessicaRom8]

Hi Everyone! I have read this thread and I think that Thaddaeus' intentions have been misunderstood. I think it's so important to have a passion for the Word of God and what he is saying here is really out of concern. I agree with him about not adding to Salvation! I think we can all learn from each others prospectives without feeling like were being attacked. He is soo right about sometimes only having one chance to help someone see God's message of Salvation. None of us are promised tomorrow. All of your comments have helped me to think this issue through. Thanks everyone!

 

[NoahsMom]

Its wonderful to have a passion for Gods word, however, the best of intentions can go un-noticed when what your trying to convey to someone is said with no thought or reguards to the other persons feelings, especially when you know NOTHING about the other sperson. All some people were trying to bring to light here was presentation does count.....because even if you said the most valuable words you have ever spoken to someone, if you said it in the way it was presented in some of these threads, it would never matter, they would never listen to anything you ever had to say again, simply because of the way you came across.

 

[NoahsMom]

Presentation....... lets say you stop someplace to eat for the first time, you go in, place your order, your hungry , they have what you like so your anticipating the food to be brought out. They bring you your food, and theres what you ordered but instead of a nice clean plate, its on a dirty tray....smells good, looks like what you ordered, but theres that dirty tray its settin on.....would you eat it?

 

[KingdomGeneration]

Hi Everyone! I have read this thread and I think that Thaddaeus' intentions have been misunderstood. I think it's so important to have a passion for the Word of God and what he is saying here is really out of concern. I agree with him about not adding to Salvation! I think we can all learn from each others prospectives without feeling like were being attacked. He is soo right about sometimes only having one chance to help someone see God's message of Salvation. None of us are promised tomorrow. All of your comments have helped me to think this issue through. Thanks everyone!

Hey Jessica, in most cases I agree with Thaddeus however, this stuff has been going on for a long time and across numerous threads. There are people here who, for some reason other than compassion, tend to use the bible in the same manner as you would a shotgun. Their actions are wreckless and cause more damage than good.

While I realize that many do have good intentions, they need to put their pride on the back burner for a second, and come to the realization that maybe just maybe, there is a better way to present the word of God.

Before joining Christian Chat, Solomon and his decision to ask God for knowledge was one of my favorites stories in the bible. However, now that I see what knowledge can do in the hands of those who lack compassion, it is my solemn prayer that if God grants me one gift, I want His heart.

 

[Thaddaeus]

it's very easy to verbally beat someone to a pulp when you're hiding behind your computer screen isnt it?

You're a bully. Flat out. Just because you use scripture to do it doesn't make it any better than the school yard thug who takes people's lunch money and gives the nerdy kids wedgies!! Ok, thats a sterotype, but I've known many many people like you who THINK that they're somehow more knowledgable and more superior to others to the point where you justify your own self importance. I don't believe for a SECOND that the tone you use has anything to do with truth, or any true sense of urgency to "save souls" - you have no idea about the person who asked the original question, whether she's saved or not, whether she's walking with the Lord or not, whether she's actually a part of the denomination in question or not....you have NOT earned your way into her realm of thinking and therefore you have NO RIGHT to make assumptions and wield God's word like some kind of club reading to thump people on the head so they can think the way you do!!! You really need to do some study into the different methods of evangelism, and how the confrontational method is the LEAST widely effective and should be used with CAUTION. I truly don't believe that you have put any thought into your audience at all, and I would be very hard pressed to find any kind of humility or love in your words. There is no room for God to work and what it appears to me is that you're taking matters into your own hands and doing things on your own strength rather than letting God lead you - and that is going about it ALL WRONG. GOD WINS SOULS, NOT YOU!

Honestly...if I were an unbeliever and rocked up to your church and you spoke to me in a sermon the way you bully people on here, I would be DEVASTATED and wouldn't come back. Try and have some humility and entertain the notion that the full on approach is not ALWAYS the right one. Jesus may have been confrontational, but he was also the Son of God and spoke with AUTHORITY - Authority means he had the RIGHT to speak to people's hearts. You're not the son of God, ur a sinner same as the rest of us and therefore need to look to GOD for authority instead of just assuming you have it because you're a pastor.

Ga 4:16Am I therefore become your ENEMY, because I tell you the truth?


Quote:" You're not the son of God, ur a sinner same as the rest of us and therefore need to look to GOD for authority instead of just assuming you have it because you're a pastor"

2co 10:8For though I should boast somewhat more of our AUTHORITY, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:


If I didn't care for al,l then I would shut up as satan would have me to shut up and not preach the truth , But i do care Because God cares. I've not seen most of you show me any scriptures just you alls opinions, If I can lead one person in my life time to the Lord, I don't care if all you hate me I have to do what God says and I am giving you all scriptures to back up what I say , so most of you are fighting against God Himself

 

[DaveScotland]

Wow, It’s funny how 1 girl asks if anyone else goes to the same church has herself on the site, and again a few decided to take the thread and try and turn it into a huge debate it is getting really tiring to constantly read your purposefully argumentative views.

Remember Proverbs 12, 23

The wise don’t make a show of their knowledge, but fools broadcast there foolishness

Give it a rest guys

 

[Thaddaeus]

Presentation....... lets say you stop someplace to eat for the first time, you go in, place your order, your hungry , they have what you like so your anticipating the food to be brought out. They bring you your food, and theres what you ordered but instead of a nice clean plate, its on a dirty tray....smells good, looks like what you ordered, but theres that dirty tray its settin on.....would you eat it?

Depends on how hungry you are, you would be amazed what you will eat if you are hungry. John the baptist would not be accepted in most Churches today But he was sent By God, Hell and brimstone preaching is no longer accepted in todays Churches, but it is true, without faith in Jesus Christ, and confessing Him as Lord and Believeing with our heart that God has raised Him from the dead, people will Burn in Hell.
2ti 4:3For the time will come when they will not endure SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
this is not doctrine this is salvation

Actually If we give them the truth then we are serving on the Clean plate, only if we changed the Gospel are we using a dirty plate

 

[LynnJ]

I am respectfully bowing out of this thread.

 

[KingdomGeneration]

While I have no idea what is said since I decided to utilize the ignore option earlier this morning, I will say this...

Sometimes I believe that we the church can get so used to preaching to the choir that we forget how to communicate with others. I believe that this especially holds true to denominations and there inability to communicate and work with one another. I also believe that the reason why you don't see many souls saved in churches today, it's not because the lost are no longer coming to church in search of something greater. It's we because we the church, in our own pride, have forgotten what it's like to be a sinner in search of a saviour.

I believe every pastor, every deacon, every church leader needs to step out from behind the pulpit or the desk from time to time, roll their sleeves up, and hit the street corners, the soup kitchens, and the homeless shelters. If not only for the sake of charity and servitude but also for a little taste of humility and reality from time to time.

 

[DaveScotland]

Well said Kingdom,

we need to become more pro active when it comes to spreading the good news, and not to expect people to come to us

 

[Forgiven83]

I am respectfully bowing out of this thread.

LOL Same Lynn, I've said my piece and I'm happy with that What I said still stands, and I haven't read anything to refute or disprove my discourse on the subject. I hope that something I've said may sink into the spirits of those who need it and soften their hearts.

 

[NoahsDad]

Just curious whether or not anyone else out there goes to a Disciples of Christ church. I have yet to meet anyone on here who does (other than myself, that is)

If you aren't sure what this denomination is, the official website is here: http://www.disciples.org/

Origional Question
Comment that was uncalled for therefor starting the debate

I saw your web site and it didn't take me long to see what I needed to see ,

Lu 4:4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not LIVE BY BREAD ALONE, but by every word of God.

any denomination that allows women as Pastors can not be living by the Word of God, it comes from them having authority, this is the part that they are breaking when they do.

1ti 2:12But I suffer not a WOMAN to TEACH, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.



it comes all the back from when Eve was deceived, and no one can find anything that does away with this commandment, another point is :

1ti 3:1This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.1ti 3:2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Tit 1:5For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:Tit 1:6If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

This is confirmed twice in the new testament and if we can say that this doesn't apply to the Church today then how do we know that John 3:16 still applies. Now before you respond I know about Anna in Luke 2 telling all jerusalem about Jesus but it says nothing about her authority in the temple. If this commandment has been done away with show me from scriptures please!!
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Pastor Keith

now note that in the origional question there is in no way an option for opinion in it.
the question is "doees anyone else go to -------- church
Now this looks to me like a yes or no question.
There was no need for anything other than yes or no at that point.

 

[krma-gurl]

i agree with Dad lol

 

[Thaddaeus]

Origional Question
Comment that was uncalled for therefor starting the debate

now note that in the origional question there is in no way an option for opinion in it.
the question is "doees anyone else go to -------- church
Now this looks to me like a yes or no question.
There was no need for anything other than yes or no at that point.

Lu 6:46And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and DO NOT THE things which I say?

Joh 14:15If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Again I will ask, do we want to live by mans ways or by God's way. again, no one has showed me scriptures to rebuke anything I've said, only that I didn't say it the right way!! Then Let me say this with all the boldness that I can, if you keep living by man's teachings THEN HOW DARE YOU CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN, this is not a Burger King religion, you can not have it your way, if you Have called upon the name of the Lord, then you need to make Him Lord, we can't pick and choose what parts of the Bible we want to live by, if the Bible says a pastor should be the Husband of one wife then, that rules out all women, how can a woman pastor preach against homosexuals, lairs or any other sin, when they are not lined up with the Word of God themselves. Would you want to be under a pastor that was drunk when they got up to preach, or a Homosexual pastor then why sit under a woman pastor, or tell me if you can what is the difference between a drunk pastor, or a homosexual pastor or a woman pastor, neither are lined up with the scriptures or neither have been ordained By God

look folks I have not always walked with God even as a Christian, mainly becaused I grabbed on to preaching that I wanted to hear and pushed aside the preaching I didn't want to hear but time is running out. we need to study to show ourself approved, it is our own responsiblity as a Christian to know what is good and acceptable to God. if we read something in the Word of God, that our church is not lined up with or something that doesn't line up with what our Dads and moms always taught us then we have to choose, either turn to the Word of God or do we stay with what our church , dads or moms have taught us , and I pray that all know the correct decision here!

and all have spoke out against me because the young lady just wanted to let people know what denomination she was, then all she would had to say, is the denomination that she was but when she posted the website that was advertising for her denomination, and may have gotten some people to join, is that not one reason for a church website. so I pointed out the first thing I saw wrong with it. and use scriptures to show my point , so all I can say is

Joh 14:27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.Joh 14:28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

BE READY FOR HE IS COMING AGAIN!!

 

[NoahsDad]

Joh 14:15If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Again I will ask, do we want to live by mans ways or by God's way. again, no one has showed me scriptures to rebuke anything I've said, only that I didn't say it the right way!! Then Let me say this with all the boldness that I can, if you keep living by man's teachings THEN HOW DARE YOU CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN, this is not a Burger King religion, you can not have it your way, if you Have called upon the name of the Lord, then you need to make Him Lord, we can't pick and choose what parts of the Bible we want to live by, if the Bible says a pastor should be the Husband of one wife then, that rules out all women, how can a woman pastor preach against homosexuals, lairs or any other sin, when they are not lined up with the Word of God themselves. Would you want to be under a pastor that was drunk when they got up to preach, or a Homosexual pastor then why sit under a woman pastor, or tell me if you can what is the difference between a drunk pastor, or a homosexual pastor or a woman pastor, neither are lined up with the scriptures or neither have been ordained By God

1)
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
This is the comandment of which you posted before.dont say nothing about beating folks up with your doctrine.
2)As far as women preachers goes ....is a Bishop a preacher? or an overseer? One of the 7 member council that oversee's the many different churches,Such as the head of the Southern baptist coalition,or the Church of God of Prophecy,etc?
in my understanding of the word Pastor/Minister,is to serve,NOT lead,or rule,but to others its a leader,and I dont fault them,I can back both views in the word.
3)Baptism,
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Now I wil retyp what I was saying before,Denominations are a growth thing ,Everyone that is learning and growing will grow into and out of a denomination(as I've noticed)
As far as picking and choosing what you want to believe,Are you not aswell?faced with the scriptures of baptism,which you blasted out with at first,now can you see where they are coming from?
Not that you have to believe that way,but look at where it comes from and try to understand.
Ive been to many different denoms over the years,
The Baptist i liked to a point,But the bylaws I realy didnt agree with,Which is what you are trying to convey with the women preachers.
there are others i dont agree with too but thats just me
So i went to COGOP,Church of God of Prophecy,There again some good teaching,Not alot of preaching,and bylaws that had nothing to do with the word of God but the pride and arogance of man
one common factor between the denoms was the Requierment of vowing tithes to that perticular church as if it were dues to being a member like a wrokers union.This aint biblical ,

 

[LinaLinaLina]

It's interesting how a simple question about whether or not anyone else here goes to a certain church has become an attack...

Extremely interesting! I'm sure this is not what you intended but and answer more like this.

I was raised in a Disciples of Christ in another country. The website you showed is only for the US and Canada but this church is also in Latin America. I don't assist this church since coming here, the one in N.Y is too distanced from us so we go somewhere else.

God bless!

 

[roaringkitten]

It's interesting how a simple question about whether or not anyone else here goes to a certain church has become an attack...

No, not really. Its that some denominations hold doctrine contrary to the Word of God. We are actually doing people a favor by warning people of false doctrine especially when it comes to salvation. Although some people take it as a personal attack. People call me a bully, hate me, think I am harming Christianity by exposing false doctrines. satan would gladly love me to shut my mouth and sit back and watch people head straight to the lake of fire. I dont do this because I'm happy to see people upset, I do it because I honestly care for them.

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Galatians 4:16

Honestly, some who cant even understand salvation, have no business making threads on a Christian forum promoting salvation heresy. Many people are blinded to the truth, and cant see it because they have been indoctrinated by their church to believe lies. It may sound harsh, because I cant show you tone of voice here. The overall church today is in apostasy, especially when I hear news that the mainstream Christianity wants to yoke up with the Catholic church(which btw is a false religion).

 

[MahogonySnail]

The problem is the heresy hunters have a very narrow definition of what apostasy means, from passion of the Christ movie , Harry Potter, tattoos, to different views of end time events.