Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

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eternally-gratefull said:
Gal 4 is simply saying that a person who has achieved the state of being born again by belief is now KNOWN personally (a relational term) by God

it does not take away the fact that God knew of the, before time began.
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Correct. God knew us before the foundation of the world, but we enter into relationship with Him when we believe.

Not hard to understand. I have an Omniscient God, not a God that is wringing His Hands and fretting waiting to find out who will believe.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Gal 4 is simply saying that a person who has achieved the state of being born again by belief is now KNOWN personally (a relational term) by God

it does not take away the fact that God knew of the, before time began.
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The only consistent way to accept their paradigm is to adopt open theism.
 
OIC1965 said:
You are confusing two terms

Chosen and predestinated.

Not the same thing.
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I believe they are not the same . Elect is most often ISRAEL but its always in the context of service and purpose. Predestination is like when we use our sat nav . We pre choose a destination ahead of time . When we become a son ( through the new birth . John 1.12 ) now we are predestined to the Adoption/ inheritance ect . Eph 1.5 / . Romans 8.23 , eph 1.13-14 ect . By being in an eternal being ( in him ) We recieve all the blessings in heavely places ,in Christ Jesus . Reading eph 2.11 onwards tells us what being outside of Christ means .
Ok from your position when and what are you chosen for and when and what are you predestined for ?
 
John146 said:
Good, we're on the same page in this regard. God does not have knowledge of one as a son before the foundation of the world. That would mean He didn't choose anyone to be in Christ (that would make him a son) before the foundation of the world.
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Nope not even close to being on the same page

again Stop putting words in my moutj
 
throughfaith said:
I believe they are not the same . Elect is most often ISRAEL but its always in the context of service and purpose. Predestination is like when we use our sat nav . We pre choose a destination ahead of time . When we become a son ( through the new birth . John 1.12 ) now we are predestined to the Adoption/ inheritance ect . Eph 1.5 / . Romans 8.23 , eph 1.13-14 ect . By being in an eternal being ( in him ) We recieve all the blessings in heavely places ,in Christ Jesus . Reading eph 2.11 onwards tells us what being outside of Christ means .
Ok from your position when and what are you chosen for and when and what are you predestined for ?
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Chosen in Him before time to be Holy and without blame before Him in love.

Predestinated to adoption as sons. Now what is in the text that indicates He didn’t predestinate us when He chose us in Christ to be holy and without blame before Him in love?

Does God add to His purpose piece by piece, or are they eternally purposed and revealed to us piece by piece?
 
OIC1965 said:
Correct. God knew us before the foundation of the world, but we enter into relationship with Him when we believe.

Not hard to understand. I have an Omniscient God, not a God that is wringing His Hands and fretting waiting to find out who will believe.
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Amen

thats why he gives eternal life to those who truly believe, not fretting if their faith was real or not and have to take it back from them later,
 
OIC1965 said:
Already did.

They entered into relationship with God when they believed.

For example, I knew my wife one way and then I knew her in a different way after I married her, didn’t I?
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The idea of a personal relationship seems lost To them
 
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throughfaith said:
Well it looks like your preaching 'determinism ' as if knowledge is causative . The point is ' as a son '
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He is not

your reading him that way because that is what you have determined he believes and nothingit seems will change your mind
 
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John146 said:
That's Scripture buddy! Man always has to come up with an ism.
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Nope

thats not scripture at all. God is not a human with human weakness, god is all knowing. He knows the begining from the end. And everything is between, nothing surprises him, even a person who has faith in him
 
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