Have You Received the Holy Ghost Since You Believed?

notuptome · Oct 23, 2020

If you will not receive scripture you will receive judgment. Warning you of Gods judgment is not ridicule.

You need a proper foundation laid in Christ to be a believer.

Jesus endured the cross. Jesus bled and died to forgive your sins. The promise of eternal peace is after this life. We are expected to serve Christ through suffering not some fantasy claim of swooning in tongues and speaking completely apart from knowledge of what is said. It is just as bad as claiming water baptism saves.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Wansvic · Oct 23, 2020

Guojing said:

I guess you did not read the entire post. My point is that Paul carried the same message to others 20 years after the message was initially given at Pentecost. (Acts 18:6-8 and 19:1-10 below)

The Acts 18:6-8 account shows Paul preached Jesus and baptized both Jews and Gentiles. Afterward he told the Ephesus disciples they needed to get baptized in Jesus' name and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 19:1-10) Notice after Paul told the Ephesus disciples what was required of them, (Acts 19:1-6) he went with the disciples and taught others in the synagogue. He then left there because some did not believe the message. He then preached the message to both Jews and Gentiles in the school of Tyrannus for 2 years. (Acts 19:8-10)

Acts 18:6-8
6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.
7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man's house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

Acts 19:1-10
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

Wansvic · Oct 23, 2020

notuptome said:

We are expected to obey the commands associated with the spiritual rebirth that God put into place; believe in Jesus' sacrifice, repent, be water baptized in Jesus' name, and receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2, 8, 10, 19) This truth is expressed by Jesus himself. (Luke 24:47, Matt 28:19, Mark 16:16)

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

notuptome · Oct 23, 2020

Wansvic said:

You post scripture that you do not believe because you cannot comprehend what it means. Religious people have a very hard time understanding Gods grace and how grace alone is able to save their soul from eternal condemnation.

John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Wansvic · Oct 23, 2020

SoulWeaver said:

My comment was addressing wolfwint claim that people do not speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost. The biblical clearly contradicts that belief.

Your comment that apostles laid hands on people in order for them to receive the spiritual gifts after being water baptized is not what the bible conveys. Peter expressed that the Holy Ghost is the promised GIFT all are to receive. (Acts 2:33, 38-40) The tongues that flow at that time are the result of God's Spirit reconnecting with a person's spirit that had been severed as a result of the fall of Adam and Eve. This truth is evidenced by Paul's comment that a person speaking in an unknown tongue is speaking to God. (1 Cor 14:2, 4)

Various spiritual gifts are given to individuals after they have received the initial GIFT of the Spirit. The purpose for receiving the various gifts is to equip the church to further God's kingdom. The spiritual gift of tongues accompanied with interpretation are for the edification of others. (1 Cor 14:5)

SoulWeaver said:

It must be understood that Peter had no idea that God was about to open up repentance unto life to the Gentile population. They too would be provided with instructions that they were required to obey in order to partake of the NT spiritual rebirth. (John 3:5) It is highly unlikely that Peter would have ever administered water baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sin had God not poured His Spirit into the gathered group as evidence of His intention to make salvation available to the entire Gentile population. We see Peter justifying his decision to water baptize Cornelius and group in his interaction with the Jewish Council. After rehearsing all that occurred as recorded in Acts 10 the Jewish Council agreed that forbidding water baptism would be withstanding God since God had filled the group with His Spirit as evidenced by their speaking in tongues as the Jews had at Pentecost.

Acts 11:17-18
Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

SoulWeaver said:

A person can be led by the Holy Ghost prior to the Holy Ghost taking up residence in one's physical body. Jesus stated this truth in John 14:16-20.

SoulWeaver · Oct 23, 2020

Wansvic said:

I do not want this to turn into an argument, there are some things we don't agree here but I'd just like to state one of them for the record, I really don't agree with the implied notion here that people who don't speak in tongues, that their spirit is severed from God and that they don't have the HS in spite of believing the Gospel, if that is indeed what you're suggesting here (but maybe I have misunderstood you).

1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Btw also for the record, I am not a cessationist.

Wansvic · Oct 23, 2020

notuptome said:

God's grace is seen in His willingness to provide a means of salvation that mankind did not deserve.

Jesus paid the price for fallen man in His death, burial and resurrection. He stands at the door and knocks. It is the responsibility of every individual to respond by opening the door. (Rev 3:30)

A person's belief in the account of Jesus is what compels them to obey the God given instructions to repent and submit to water baptism in Jesus' name. God promises to provide the gift of the Holy Ghost to those He knows will obey upon hearing the gospel message.

God's plans of deliverance have always included some form of obedience required of mankind; Noah built an ark to the saving of his family, Abraham, Moses, and Joshua circumcised all of the male children in order for them to remain in covenant with God, the Israelites had to apply blood on the door in order for the death angel to bypass their dwelling, Naaman had to wash 7 times in the Jordan; a picture of sin (leprosy) being washed away, etc.

KelbyofGod · Oct 23, 2020

Wansvic said:

My comment was addressing wolfwint claim that people do not speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Ghost. The biblical clearly contradicts that belief.

Your comment that apostles laid hands on people in order for them to receive the spiritual gifts after being water baptized is not what the bible conveys. Peter expressed that the Holy Ghost is the promised GIFT all are to receive. (Acts 2:33, 38-40) The tongues that flow at that time are the result of God's Spirit reconnecting with a person's spirit that had been severed as a result of the fall of Adam and Eve. This truth is evidenced by Paul's comment that a person speaking in an unknown tongue is speaking to God. (1 Cor 14:2, 4)

Various spiritual gifts are given to individuals after they have received the initial GIFT of the Spirit. The purpose for receiving the various gifts is to equip the church to further God's kingdom. The spiritual gift of tongues accompanied with interpretation are for the edification of others. (1 Cor 14:5)

It must be understood that Peter had no idea that God was about to open up repentance unto life to the Gentile population. They too would be provided with instructions that they were required to obey in order to partake of the NT spiritual rebirth. (John 3:5) It is highly unlikely that Peter would have ever administered water baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sin had God not poured His Spirit into the gathered group as evidence of His intention to make salvation available to the entire Gentile population. We see Peter justifying his decision to water baptize Cornelius and group in his interaction with the Jewish Council. After rehearsing all that occurred as recorded in Acts 10 the Jewish Council agreed that forbidding water baptism would be withstanding God since God had filled the group with His Spirit as evidenced by their speaking in tongues as the Jews had at Pentecost.

Acts 11:17-18
Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

A person can be led by the Holy Ghost prior to the Holy Ghost taking up residence in one's physical body. Jesus stated this truth in John 14:16-20.

It's not wrong to say that the Holy Ghost sometimes comes at laying on of hands. I've seen that happen several times and it's recorded twice in the bible. (Acts 8, Acts 19) It just is not REQUIRED to happen that way.

Healings are like that too. Often healings will happen at laying on of hands but other healings happen when the person is standing alone.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Wansvic · Oct 23, 2020

SoulWeaver said:

I have no desire to argue either. Just sharing what I see in the word.

The scripture you reference about not all speak with tongues is referring to the fact that not all people are given the spiritual gift of tongues that require interpretation in the church setting. I know this to be the case through personal experience. God used me for this purpose one time. I have to say it was a total shock when it occurred. The experience was totally different than when tongues are flowing during my personal fellowship with God. When I received the initial infilling of the Holy Spirit and during personal prayer my words have instantaneously switched from English to the unknown tongue in a seamless smooth flow.

I've taken the liberty of including the testimony for clarification of the different tongues referenced by Paul in Corinthians:

I had not been seeking the spiritual gift of tongues, however, while praising God in the worship service He decided to use me to speak a message to the congregation.

As I was praising God I could feel His presence stronger than in times past; so strong in fact, I sensed something was definitely different but had no idea what was going on. As I praised the Lord someone to my left began to speak in tongues. I remember thinking Lord if that is what you wanted me to do I would have done it. Immediately the individual stopped speaking. I felt what can only be described as an internal explosion; a feeling of complete fullness that my body could not contain. To my utter dismay the fullness began pouring out in the form of tongues. There I was, normally the shy, quiet one, loudly proclaiming half of a message that was afterward interpreted for the congregation. I say half, because the interpretation began, and part way through the message continued after a short pause. The proclaimed message began with the other individual and was picked up and concluded through me.

On the drive home I could not help re-living the incident over, and over in my mind. I was amazed at what had occurred. I questioned the Lord about the explosive feeling. His answer was, “I consumed the sacrifice.” I was in awe. I realized that God would only use my vocal cords to speak to His people if I was willing for Him to do so.

KelbyofGod · Oct 23, 2020

@Wansvic

I guess I should also include that Yes, a PROMISE is made to ALL that the Holy Ghost is sent out to be received by them (each and every man, woman and child from Acts 2:39 and forward.). But as the apostles knew...as they themselves tarried in Jerusalem....even though the promise has been spoken on them, a person may need to TARRY (abide, continue faithful service, keep the faith) until they actually RECEIVE the promise which, as you know, is evidenced by the person/group starting to speak with tongues as the spirit gives utterance.

It is clearly evidenced in Acts 8 and 19 that Believing doesn't always instantly cause the Holy Ghost to come, and Baptism (even correct baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins) doesn't always instantly cause the Holy Ghost to come. Those things, not matter how necessary they are, are not the same as receiving the Holy Ghost, which might not happen until later.

Acts 8 shows that the group at Samaria had both believed and been baptized yet DID NOT receive the Holy Ghost UNTIL Peter and/or John was prayed for them...and in that particular case it narrows the moment down to the specific time of "when they laid hands on them".

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Wansvic · Oct 23, 2020

KelbyofGod said:

I totally agree with you.

My response was in regards to SoulWeavers comment that the apostles laid hands on people after they were water baptized in order to impart spiritual gifts. (Post 478) In the relevant cases recorded in Acts 8 and 19, the apostles actually laid hands on the individuals to assist in their receiving the actual gift of the Holy Ghost not spiritual gifts such as those depicted in 1 Corinthians.

Wansvic · Oct 23, 2020

KelbyofGod said:

@Wansvic

I guess I should also include that Yes, a PROMISE is made to ALL that the Holy Ghost is sent out to be received by them (each and every man, woman and child from Acts 2:39 and forward.). But as the apostles knew...as they themselves tarried in Jerusalem....even though the promise has been spoken on them, a person may need to TARRY (abide, continue faithful service, keep the faith) until they actually RECEIVE the promise which, as you know, is evidenced by the person/group starting to speak with tongues as the spirit gives utterance.

It is clearly evidenced in Acts 8 and 19 that Believing doesn't always instantly cause the Holy Ghost to come, and Baptism (even correct baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins) doesn't always instantly cause the Holy Ghost to come. Those things, not matter how necessary they are, are not the same as receiving the Holy Ghost, which might not happen until later.

Acts 8 shows that the group at Samaria had both believed and been baptized yet DID NOT receive the Holy Ghost UNTIL Peter and/or John was prayed for them...and in that particular case it narrows the moment down to the specific time of "when they laid hands on them".

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

So true. The sequence is of no importance. Obedience to all components is what matters and is clearly conveyed.

KelbyofGod · Oct 23, 2020

This message is for ALL,

Satan tries really hard to make it sound like an insult rather than an exhortation when someone is advised that they still need to receive the Holy Ghost. ESPECIALLY if that person has faith.

It can be clearly stated that Peter, James and John were even made APOSTLES before they received the Holy Ghost! John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are we INSULTING them by saying they still needed to receive the Holy Ghost? Absolutely not.
Are we claiming they don't have faith in God? No, it's quite easy to see that they believed and trusted God and Jesus.
Are we saying the promise of the HOly Ghost isn't for them? Again, Absolutely not.
We are just saying that people need to seek until they find, knock until it is opened, ask until they receive...and not give up along the way. We are encouraging them to CONTINUE until they receive all that God has PROMISED them...(including a place in heaven).
We see people all over who have heard of Jesus or have a bible or have learned how to pray and recieve things (which means they have FAITH) and yet haven't even heard that they need to receive the Holy Ghost. Paul ran into a group like that in Acts 19. The bible calls them disciples. Paul acknowledged their belief. Yet they hadn't been told that they needed the Holy Ghost. They were thankfully able to receive this without taking offense...internalized the additional truth...were baptized to get it right...and eventually (not immediately) ACTUALLY RECEIVED the Holy Ghost, which didn't ACTUALLY HAPPEN until Paul laid his hands on them. That is a beautiful account because they could have taken offense instead (as Satan works hard to make happen today).

To say that someone still needs to receive the Holy Ghost isn't an insult. It's a statement that we understand that God has more for them and we're believing that they are worthy to receive it...IF they TARRY until they are endued with power "For ye shall receive POWER after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you". and "For the kingdom of God is not in word only, but in POWER".

Too many have much doctrine and words....but no power... and they fulfil the scripture regarding those who are "having a form of godliness, but denying the power".

If you know you have faith, and you know you believe in Jesus, and you know you love God, but also know you don't really have much power, and especially if you know that you've never "spake with new tongues as the spirit gave them utterance"...you probably need to seek God until he baptizes you with the same Holy Ghost that he gave on the day of Pentecost and promised "unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call".

As I've said to others and now say to ALL... I wish you well on your journey.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Guojing · Oct 23, 2020

Wansvic said:

In the first place, Peter was not preaching salvation by faith alone in Christ death for their sins and resurrection at Pentecost, and subsequently after that.

So your initial premise is already incorrect.

I already stated what Peter was preaching to Cornelius, read the 2 verses I used

Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Guojing · Oct 23, 2020

KelbyofGod said:

This message is for ALL,

Satan tries really hard to make it sound like an insult rather than an exhortation when someone is advised that they still need to receive the Holy Ghost. ESPECIALLY if that person has faith.

It can be clearly stated that Peter, James and John were even made APOSTLES before they received the Holy Ghost! John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are we INSULTING them by saying they still needed to receive the Holy Ghost? Absolutely not.
Are we claiming they don't have faith in God? No, it's quite easy to see that they believed and trusted God and Jesus.
Are we saying the promise of the HOly Ghost isn't for them? Again, Absolutely not.
We are just saying that people need to seek until they find, knock until it is opened, ask until they receive...and not give up along the way. We are encouraging them to CONTINUE until they receive all that God has PROMISED them...(including a place in heaven).
We see people all over who have heard of Jesus or have a bible or have learned how to pray and recieve things (which means they have FAITH) and yet haven't even heard that they need to receive the Holy Ghost. Paul ran into a group like that in Acts 19. The bible calls them disciples. Paul acknowledged their belief. Yet they hadn't been told that they needed the Holy Ghost. They were thankfully able to receive this without taking offense...internalized the additional truth...were baptized to get it right...and eventually (not immediately) ACTUALLY RECEIVED the Holy Ghost, which didn't ACTUALLY HAPPEN until Paul laid his hands on them. That is a beautiful account because they could have taken offense instead (as Satan works hard to make happen today).

To say that someone still needs to receive the Holy Ghost isn't an insult. It's a statement that we understand that God has more for them and we're believing that they are worthy to receive it...IF they TARRY until they are endued with power "For ye shall receive POWER after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you". and "For the kingdom of God is not in word only, but in POWER".

Too many have much doctrine and words....but no power... and they fulfil the scripture regarding those who are "having a form of godliness, but denying the power".

If you know you have faith, and you know you believe in Jesus, and you know you love God, but also know you don't really have much power, and especially if you know that you've never "spake with new tongues as the spirit gave them utterance"...you probably need to seek God until he baptizes you with the same Holy Ghost that he gave on the day of Pentecost and promised "unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call".

As I've said to others and now say to ALL... I wish you well on your journey.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

At the end of the day, do you believe that someone who believes in Jesus death for his sins and resurrection as in 1 Cor 15:1-4, but, as your claim, "did not receive the Holy Spirit since he is not speaking in tongues", is he still saved?

Wansvic · Oct 24, 2020

Guojing said:

If in fact Paul preached that salvation was through faith alone why didn't he just tell the disciples about Jesus' death, burial and resurrection and state that they were born again believers due to their belief? Also, why did Paul assist in their receiving the Holy Ghost if in fact they already had the Holy Ghost the moment they believed the message he preached?

Paul's instructions were consistent with the message initially given to the Jews, Samaritans and Gentiles. And, indicate that believing the entire gospel message and acting in obedience to it is required. According to the word faith without works/action is dead:

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead?. (James 2:14-20)

Wansvic · Oct 24, 2020

@Guojing In 1 Cor 15:1-4 Paul is addressing born again individuals questioning the resurrection.

Paul begins by reminding the group that he declared to them the gospel by which they were saved. (verses 1-2) He goes on to point out a specific part of the gospel message that he and they received FIRST, that Jesus died for their sins, was buried and resurrected. (verses 3-4) He states that the resurrected Jesus was seen by multiple people so they preach about what they saw with their own eyes. The rest of the chapter continues to make the case for the validity of the resurrection. In verse 29 Paul brings up water baptism. He questions why people are getting baptized for the dead if they don't believe the dead will be resurrected. Even though baptism for the dead is not biblical it speaks to the fact that born again believers realized water baptism was necessary and were doing it in hopes of changing the fate of relatives, etc. who had not submitted to it for themselves before meeting their demise.

Paul points out that if Christ did not resurrect then the people's faith in the apostles preaching the gospel message (which included obedience in repentance and water baptism in Jesus' name) was in vain.

I hope this shines light on what Paul was actually addressing in that chapter.

notuptome · Oct 24, 2020

Wansvic said:

You have a corrupted gospel. You gospel has man at the center through works. God's gospel has Himself at the center in Christ. God's gospel is the Holy Spirit creating conviction of sin. of righteousness and judgment. Man is completely unable to save himself and must have God's mercy or he will perish.

The Philippian jailer asked what he needed to do to be saved. He was told only to believe in Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

notuptome · Oct 24, 2020

KelbyofGod said:

This message is for ALL,

Satan tries really hard to make it sound like an insult rather than an exhortation when someone is advised that they still need to receive the Holy Ghost. ESPECIALLY if that person has faith.

It can be clearly stated that Peter, James and John were even made APOSTLES before they received the Holy Ghost! John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are we INSULTING them by saying they still needed to receive the Holy Ghost? Absolutely not.
Are we claiming they don't have faith in God? No, it's quite easy to see that they believed and trusted God and Jesus.
Are we saying the promise of the HOly Ghost isn't for them? Again, Absolutely not.
We are just saying that people need to seek until they find, knock until it is opened, ask until they receive...and not give up along the way. We are encouraging them to CONTINUE until they receive all that God has PROMISED them...(including a place in heaven).
We see people all over who have heard of Jesus or have a bible or have learned how to pray and recieve things (which means they have FAITH) and yet haven't even heard that they need to receive the Holy Ghost. Paul ran into a group like that in Acts 19. The bible calls them disciples. Paul acknowledged their belief. Yet they hadn't been told that they needed the Holy Ghost. They were thankfully able to receive this without taking offense...internalized the additional truth...were baptized to get it right...and eventually (not immediately) ACTUALLY RECEIVED the Holy Ghost, which didn't ACTUALLY HAPPEN until Paul laid his hands on them. That is a beautiful account because they could have taken offense instead (as Satan works hard to make happen today).

To say that someone still needs to receive the Holy Ghost isn't an insult. It's a statement that we understand that God has more for them and we're believing that they are worthy to receive it...IF they TARRY until they are endued with power "For ye shall receive POWER after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you". and "For the kingdom of God is not in word only, but in POWER".

Too many have much doctrine and words....but no power... and they fulfil the scripture regarding those who are "having a form of godliness, but denying the power".

If you know you have faith, and you know you believe in Jesus, and you know you love God, but also know you don't really have much power, and especially if you know that you've never "spake with new tongues as the spirit gave them utterance"...you probably need to seek God until he baptizes you with the same Holy Ghost that he gave on the day of Pentecost and promised "unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call".

As I've said to others and now say to ALL... I wish you well on your journey.

Love in Jesus,
Kelby

Look no one is saved apart from the Holy Spirit. You conflate a false gift of tongues with the presence of the Holy Spirit and endeavor to use it as a badge of salvation. This is completely in error and a false teaching not found in scripture.

The power of God is in the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

soggykitten · Oct 24, 2020

Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit’”

The holy spirit is throughout the old testament. The spirit also is in the new as that which filled John the Baptist, and appeared to Mary to tell her of God's plans for her to receive him in her womb as Jesus. Luke 1.

While in Jesus ministry he said the holy spirit would come after he ascended. Acts 1:6 So when they had gathered together, they began to ask him,[t] “Lord, is this the time when you are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He told them, “You are not permitted to know[u] the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts[v] of the earth.” 9 After[w] he had said this, while they were watching, he was lifted up and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10 As[x] they were still staring into the sky while he was going, suddenly[y] two men in white clothing stood near them 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand here[z] looking up into the sky? This same Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven[aa] will come back in the same way you saw him go into heaven.”

John 7:37 On the last day of the feast, the greatest day,[cw] Jesus stood up and shouted out,[cx] “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me, and 38 let the one who believes in me drink.[cy] Just as the scripture says, ‘From within him[cz] will flow rivers of living water.’”[da] 39 (Now he said this about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were going to receive, for the Spirit had not yet been given,[db] because Jesus was not yet glorified.)[dc]

Remember, Jesus was God. John 1:1

John 16:4 “I did not tell you these things from the beginning because I was with you.[k] 5 But now I am going to the one who sent me,[l] and not one of you is asking me, ‘Where are you going?’[m] 6 Instead your hearts are filled with sadness[n] because I have said these things to you. 7 But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I am going away. For if I do not go away, the Advocate[o] will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he[p] comes, he will prove the world wrong[q] concerning sin and[r] righteousness and[s] judgment— 9 concerning sin, because[t] they do not believe in me;[u] 10 concerning righteousness,[v] because[w] I am going to the Father and you will see me no longer; 11 and concerning judgment,[x] because[y] the ruler of this world[z] has been condemned.[aa]

These scriptures tell us more in what John 1 the Baptist or as some call him, John the Baptizer, prophesied when he said in that he baptizes with water but Jesus will baptize with the spirit.

Speaking after Jesus Baptism in water. John 1: 32 Then[ca] John testified,[cb] “I saw the Spirit descending like a dove[cc] from heaven,[cd] and it remained on him.[ce] 33 And I did not recognize him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘The one on whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining—this is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’

This is why in the scriptures when we read of the disciples baptizing prior to Jesus ascension we know they were baptizing with water because as Jesus said, the holy spirit had not yet come because he had not yet been glorified. John 3:22 After this,[au] Jesus and his disciples came into Judean territory, and there he spent time with them and was baptizing.

John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

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