Observations on the Book of Life

Truth7t7 · Oct 27, 2020

You have stated Gods word interprets itself, I agree!

Satan is currently bound presently in the spiritual by the 6th vial, this binding is from one specific purpose, and this purpose alone?

(Deceiving The Nations To Battle)

The Scripture states in verse 3, satan is bound by a seal, this is seen in the 6th vial in Rev 16:12, it states this binding is to prevent satan from (Deceiving The Nations)?

Many teach in (Error) that if satan is currently bound, why is the present world so evil with satan's present works?

The Scripture in verse 3 is clearly interpreted in verse 8, satan is loosed after a period of time, at the 6th vial being poured out (During The Tribulation), he is loosed to (Deceive The Nations To Battle)

(Shall Go Out To Deceive The Nations)

(To Gather Them Together To Battle)

Revelation 20:1-8KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

The Parallel teaching of Revelation 20-7-8 is seen in Revelation 16:12-14, at the end of the 3.5 year Tribulation, the 6th vial is poured out, satan is loosed to (Deceive The Nations To Battle) as devils go forth from satan, the beast, and false prophet, to the kings of the earth.

The deception being taught today, is that the battle seen in Revelation 16 & 20 are separate battles, with 1,000 literal years of separation, a lie, they are parallel teachings of the same event, Armageddon.

Revelation 16:12-14KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Corban · Oct 27, 2020

Yahshua said:

That's why I said you and I are close. You are nearly there. All you have to sort out is why John 3:14-16 says that eternal life comes via FAITH, but Romans 2:6-7 says it comes by "perseverance in DOING GOOD! One says, "by FAITH", the other says, "by WORKS". Both are correct. How can we reconcile them?

I will give you a hint from Romans 2:6-7. When are glory, honor and immortality to be had by the Christian? I will at length post my understanding, but its nice to cut to the chase - "precept upon precept".

Corban · Oct 27, 2020

Adstar said:

Thank you for a comprehensive and well thought out answer. I will be brief in answering your points except where it touches the OP.

As to the sequence, I was comparing the resurrections only. There is a resurrection of Christ, then a resurrection for "those who are His AT HIS COMING". The Church is His, and Israel are His - both by redemption. The Nations BECOME His by INHERITANCE (Ps.2:8) so their resurrection is when He has subdued them. This only occurs at the battle for Jerusalem with Magog - a thousnd years later. I did not go into the detail of 1st Thessalonians 4. There is no sequence of resurrection there. There is ONE resurrection alluded to, and then "TOGETHER" the newly resurrected are "caught away" (lit. Gk.) to the clouds. Don't forget the word "together".

As to Israel's resurrection, Daniel 12:1-2 shows it at the end of the Great Tribulation. So does Matthew 24:31. Matthew 24:31 concerns "those who were scattered to the four winds". Only Israel was scattered to the four winds (Jer.49:36; Ezek.37:9).

As to the world's population during the thousand years, many scholars calculate (roughly) that ⅔ to ¾ of men will die in the Great Tribulation. The earth's population is between 8 and 9 billion now. That would leave about 2.5 to 3 billion at the end of the Great Tribulation. But from Isaiah 65:20 we assume that the life span of men in the thousand year reign will return to those of the Adamic times. Plus, there will be no wars and there will be a general increase of all fruits, including the womb. Thus, the world's population should explode during the Millennium. This, of course is not problem. The harvests are massive (Amos.9:13). It is during this Messianic age of 1,000 years that the Nations flow into Jerusalem and give homage to the new King of all the earth (Isa.2:2; Zech.14:16).

But NONE of these Nations can get eternal life in this age. Why? Because John 3:14-16 assures us that eternal life is ONLY to be HAD BY FAITH, and Hebrew 11:1 assures us that FAITH is the proof and substance of things UNSEEN. Since Jesus lives in Jerusalem and is SEEN by men, the kind of FAITH needed for eternal life is OVER. So, not one man can get eternal life from the time of our Lord Jesus bursting forth from the clouds IN PLAIN SIGHT! He is seen from the east to the west like lightening (Matt.24:27).

But then you make this statement; Quote,

Adstar said:

Here, you address the OP for the first time, and (i) none of your verses given say what you have said, and (ii) you don't enter into my arguments. Your argument is that because the Book of Life is a different book, some will be found in it. But my case in the OP shows that the Believers are resurrected and judged a thousand years before, and that during the thousand years, because our Lord Jesus is SEEN, no one can HAVE eternal life - seeing as it comes by FAITH in the UNSEEN. So my questions from the OP are these;

If NONE of the "rest of the dead" HAVE eternal life, why is the Book of Life even there?
It is clear from the grammar that SOME are actually in the Book of Life. How so?
It is clear from all the scriptures on this Book that it has to do with WORKS. Eternal Life is only to be had by FAITH. How so?

Here is my proposal. If an accurate study is made of "Eternal Life", it will immediately become clear that there are TWO sets of scriptures about "Eternal Life". One set, and here are some examples, has to do with HAVING eternal life INTRINSICALLY (John 3:15, 20:30-31 etc.). They are always connected to FAITH, as you can see. The other set, and here are some examples. has to do with INHERITING; or ENTERNG "Eternal Life". In Matthew 25:31-46 "ALL Nations" are judged. The judgment of the Christians is over. These "Nations" are those who admit not knowing who Jesus was. None could possibly HAVE eternal life, and the text does not say otherwise. They are judged on their WORKS - what they did. And it is the "RIGHTEOUS" who go INTO life eternal". It is NOT "the FAITHFUL who go into life eternal. So also Mark 10:17-21. The rich man asked how he could INHERIT eternal life. The Lord answered by requiring WORKS. Keep the Law and give your earthly wealth away.

Now, I propose that if we can find out what "ENTERING LIFE", or "INHERITING LIFE" is, we have our answer.

Yahshua · Oct 27, 2020

By the way OP, apologies for this rabbit trail. Just trying to address the timing of events leading up to the book of life.

Truth7t7 said:

Ok the section above is the meat of your POV. You say Rev 16 and Rev 20 are paralleling the same event, armageddon.

I do agree that several visions in Revelation parallel and/or overlap each other (detailing events from a different perspective) but I'm not too sure Rev 16:12-14 & 20:7-8 are parallels of Armageddon for the following reason. Let me know of you see what I see...

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In Rev 16:12-14 the 6th vial is poured and the three (3) chief enemies work to gather the an army against the Almighty's army for Armageddon:

- Dragon
- Beast
- False Prophet

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...verse 15 cuts in warning that the Messiah is coming as a thief and for the saints to be prepared with white garments. So here saints are not with the Messiah yet.

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The rest of the chapter ends with the 7th vial pouring out, wine of wrath, great hail and judgment falling on those who blaspheme the Almighty. "It is done."

So far so good with the narrative...

Skip to chapter 19 and we have The marriage supper, and then the Messiah coming with His army to do battle against the world's army led by only two (2) of the chief enemies (Rev 19:19-20):

- Beast
- False Prophet

Verse 20 & 21 explain that these two (2) chief enemies are cast into lake of fire while the army they gathered is killed by the Messiah. So clearly this was the battle of Armageddon. But nothing about satan's fate is detailed in this chapter.

So the armagaddon army is gone and 2 out of 3 bad guys are gone at this point...

Now comes Revelation 20, where immediately we read about satan - one (1) of the chief enemies - being bound in chains and jailed for a time, while saints are setup on thrones to rule with the Messiah

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So here saint ARE with the Messiah.

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Then satan is released after a time to gather an army together against the saints: Gog & Magog army, surrounding the saints.

Verses 9 & 10 then say his army is defeated by fire from heaven (not by the Messiah or his army), and then satan is thrown into the lake of fire where the Beast and False Prophet already are. So this means chapter 20 is a continuation of chapter 19.

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So if we read chapters 19 & 20 as one continuous vision we see that there are two enemy armies:

- Armageddon Army (gathered before Messiah comes, which is destroyed when He comes w/His army, while satan is jailed and The Beast and False Prophet are cast into fire)

[Then there's a break in time...]

- Gog & Magog Army (gathered after satan is freed from jail, to attack the saints living in peace, which is destroyed by fire from heaven while satan is cast into fire where his comrades already are)

So if chapters 19 & 20 are one vision it means Rev 16:12-14 only overlaps the Armageddon war before satan is jailed and can't actually parallel Rev 20:7-8.

See what I mean?

Corban · Oct 27, 2020

tourist said:

I am fully in agreement with all except the last point. Armageddon is at the end of this age, and the enemy is the Beast and his armies. Megiddo is about 70 miles west of Jerusalem.

During the thousand years, there will be peace, and no weapons production allowed by the Lord. The weapons factories will be turned into harvesting equipment for the great harvests of the Millennium. But during this 1,000 years, many children will be born the survivors of the Great Tribulation. And they in turn will have children. After a thousand years the earth will mostly be populated by children of the Nations who never knew Satan's rule. They, being born of the womb, will still be "in the flesh", and the flesh is at enmity with God. Although peace and prosperity are the order of the day in the Millennium, the "Old Man", or old nature is totally fallen, and since Christ will be ruling with a "Rod of Iron", natural rebellion will rise up. All they need is a leader and to be deceived into thinking that they can remove Christ's rule.

The rest is recorded in Ezekiel 38 into 39. You will note that the cities are unprotected (Ezek.38:11). Jerusalem is the Capital of the world, and so a great throng of the Nations will surround Jerusalem. Note the primitive weapons. The production of high tech weapons has been stopped for 1,000 years and all they can muster is that which a blacksmith can make. Note also that Israel, who were once scattered and then gathered, dwell safely. This is unprecedented in Israel's history. Up to now, Israel has, except for Solomon's time, been beleaguered by enemies. Note also the differences between Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 38 and 39.

And so is the record. The Great Battle where Christ crushes the armies of the Nations is at Armageddon, away from Jerusualem. Then Christ rules for 1,000 years. But God does not institute anything that is not tested. And so, after a suitable time - 1,000 years, Christ's Kingdom is tested - and for the first time in human history, a King and his Kingdom last 1,000 years AND survive all tests.

Truth7t7 · Oct 27, 2020

Yahshua said:

Thanks for the response.

I fully understand your position,
the standard teaching within dispensationalism.

The book of Revelation is seen in parallel teachings of the same events, the 7th vial and 7th trump are parallel events of (The End)

Dispensationalism falsely teaches the book of Revelation is seen in chronological order a lie, and foundation for their false teachings

Revelation 16:12-17 is the final battle that leads to (It Is Done) in the end of this world, same Lord thief is returning as seen in 2 Peter 3:10 as this world is dissolved by fire.

Rev Chapters 16, 19, 20 are parallel teachings of the same events

There will be no mortal 1,000 year Kingdom beyond the 7th vial and the words (It Is Done) the eternal begins.

Dispensationalism Teaches Lies

There will be no mortal humans or a millennial kingdom on earth beyond Revelation 16:17 as many falsely teach, it's that simple

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 16:15-17KJV
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Truth7t7 · Oct 27, 2020

Corban said:

I am fully in agreement with all except the last point. Armageddon is at the end of this age, and the enemy is the Beast and his armies. Megiddo is about 70 miles west of Jerusalem.

During the thousand years, there will be peace, and no weapons production allowed by the Lord. The weapons factories will be turned into harvesting equipment for the great harvests of the Millennium. But during this 1,000 years, many children will be born the survivors of the Great Tribulation. And they in turn will have children. After a thousand years the earth will mostly be populated by children of the Nations who never knew Satan's rule. They, being born of the womb, will still be "in the flesh", and the flesh is at enmity with God. Although peace and prosperity are the order of the day in the Millennium, the "Old Man", or old nature is totally fallen, and since Christ will be ruling with a "Rod of Iron", natural rebellion will rise up. All they need is a leader and to be deceived into thinking that they can remove Christ's rule.

The rest is recorded in Ezekiel 38 into 39. You will note that the cities are unprotected (Ezek.38:11). Jerusalem is the Capital of the world, and so a great throng of the Nations will surround Jerusalem. Note the primitive weapons. The production of high tech weapons has been stopped for 1,000 years and all they can muster is that which a blacksmith can make. Note also that Israel, who were once scattered and then gathered, dwell safely. This is unprecedented in Israel's history. Up to now, Israel has, except for Solomon's time, been beleaguered by enemies. Note also the differences between Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 38 and 39.

And so is the record. The Great Battle where Christ crushes the armies of the Nations is at Armageddon, away from Jerusualem. Then Christ rules for 1,000 years. But God does not institute anything that is not tested. And so, after a suitable time - 1,000 years, Christ's Kingdom is tested - and for the first time in human history, a King and his Kingdom last 1,000 years AND survive all tests.

Wow, your kingdom on earth has weapon factories turning into producers of harvesting equipment, can you see a producer label, I want to invest

It looks like Bernie Sanders ran for a third time and won, no more guns, windmills and solar panels

To be honest, the exact explanation JW's present, as they hold their magazines with pictures of humans hugging animals, lions, tigers, and bears, of my.

Truth7t7 · Oct 27, 2020

Adstar said:

Your teaching has (Multiple) future resurrections of believers at different times, this teaching is in error.

The bible clearly teaches of one future resurrection of all, and this takes place on (The Last Day) at the time of final judgement.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Nehemiah6 · Oct 27, 2020

Corban said:

Since it is called "the Book of Life" it has everything to do with eternal life. You are also quite confused about a number of items mentioned in the OP. For example, "the rest of the dead" is a reference to the unsaved dead (who are and will be in Hades). They will be resurrected at the Great White Throne prior to their judgment.

Truth7t7 · Oct 27, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

I Agree, That's A No Brainer, Big Smiles!

tourist · Oct 27, 2020

Corban said:

I am fully in agreement with all except the last point. Armageddon is at the end of this age, and the enemy is the Beast and his armies. Megiddo is about 70 miles west of Jerusalem.

During the thousand years, there will be peace, and no weapons production allowed by the Lord. The weapons factories will be turned into harvesting equipment for the great harvests of the Millennium. But during this 1,000 years, many children will be born the survivors of the Great Tribulation. And they in turn will have children. After a thousand years the earth will mostly be populated by children of the Nations who never knew Satan's rule. They, being born of the womb, will still be "in the flesh", and the flesh is at enmity with God. Although peace and prosperity are the order of the day in the Millennium, the "Old Man", or old nature is totally fallen, and since Christ will be ruling with a "Rod of Iron", natural rebellion will rise up. All they need is a leader and to be deceived into thinking that they can remove Christ's rule.

The rest is recorded in Ezekiel 38 into 39. You will note that the cities are unprotected (Ezek.38:11). Jerusalem is the Capital of the world, and so a great throng of the Nations will surround Jerusalem. Note the primitive weapons. The production of high tech weapons has been stopped for 1,000 years and all they can muster is that which a blacksmith can make. Note also that Israel, who were once scattered and then gathered, dwell safely. This is unprecedented in Israel's history. Up to now, Israel has, except for Solomon's time, been beleaguered by enemies. Note also the differences between Revelation 19 and Ezekiel 38 and 39.

And so is the record. The Great Battle where Christ crushes the armies of the Nations is at Armageddon, away from Jerusualem. Then Christ rules for 1,000 years. But God does not institute anything that is not tested. And so, after a suitable time - 1,000 years, Christ's Kingdom is tested - and for the first time in human history, a King and his Kingdom last 1,000 years AND survive all tests.

Yes, got the timing wrong. The battle of Armageddon is at the end of the 7 year tribulation but before the start of the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ.

Truth7t7 · Oct 27, 2020

tourist said:

The bible identifies a 3.5 year tribulation,1260 days, or 42 months

Dispensationalism falsely teaches that the 1260 days in Rev 11:3 & the 42 months in Rev 13:5 are different periods totaling 7 years?

This teaching is false, as the timelines are parallel totaling 3.5 years not 7

The two witnesses will be present on earth for 1260, standing against the Antichrist the entire time of his 42 months, same time frame

There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial kingdom upon this earth, immediately after the3.5 year tribulation, Jesus Christ is revealed in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thess 1:7-8, 1 Cor 3:13, Luke 17:29-30, 2 Peter 3:10-12

Only those that desire to maintain a false Millennial Kingdom on this existing earth (Deny) the facts of scripture below

When Jesus Christ is revealed immediately after the tribulation, its (Fire Time)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

2 Peter 3:10-12KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Corban · Oct 27, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

Your sentiments without any counter argument, or supporting verses, are noted. It is also noted that I said exactly what you said, yet I am "confused". Quote;

Corban, posting # 1

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Corban · Oct 27, 2020

tourist said:

Big-hearted and courageous is the man who can admit a mistake. Oh that there would be more of this spirit on the Forum.

Truth7t7 · Oct 27, 2020

Corban said:

Your Claims Are (False)

There will be (One) future resurrection of all, John 5:28-29, this takes place on (The Last Day) John 6:39-40 when Jesus Christ Judges all men on (The Last Day) Final Judgement.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

tourist · Oct 27, 2020

Corban said:

Thank you for your kind and gracious words my friend.

Corban · Oct 28, 2020

THE EXPLANATION OF THE BOOK OF LIFE.

The BOOK OF LIFE revolves around how scripture deals with the word “LIFE”.

The Bible deals with the word, and concept of LIFE in two ways. In a dog’s life there is the fact that he is alive. He has LIFE, albeit a dog’s life. He possesses the vitality and nature of a dog. He never thinks about it, but he barks, chases cats and mates when on heat. But what he does think about is how his LIVING turns out? If he has a doting master, a warm bed by the fireplace and a piece of fresh meat, he says to himself; “This is the life!” Likewise, on a human level, man is aware that he is alive, but foremost in his thoughts is, what standard that life has. He demands much more, feels much more and appreciates much more than the dog. Added to the warm fire and steak, is his appreciation of music, art, his hobby, his wife and how his government runs the country.

Now, if one takes the Bible literally except where a parable, allegory or metaphor is obvious, we cannot get around the fact that Christ will return to earth, set up a Kingdom that never ends, and together with those who proved themselves righteous in all things and in all tests, will rule the earth forever (Dan.2:44, Lk.19:17-19; Rev.11:15, etc.). That is, this Kingdom will be ruled by men and women who HAVE, as an intrinsic nature, eternal life - or the Life and Nature of God (2nd Pet.1:4). This means that the way the SUBJECTS of this Kingdom experience it, is that it is a RULE of ETERNAL LIFE.

In Matthew 19:16-25 our Lord Jesus shows this principle perfectly. The rich young man asks, in verse 16, how he might HAVE eternal life. But in verse 17 our Lord Jesus answers how he might "ENTER LIFE". The moral of the narrative is not my purpose here. What I want to show is that in verse 23 our Lord Jesus makes “ENTER INTO LIFE” to mean “ENTER THE KINGDOM!” That is, once our Lord Jesus returns and sets up His Kingdom on earth, anybody who is allowed the enjoy the RULE of this KINGDOM is enjoying a RULE of LIFE - whether king or subject.

The KINGS (our Lord Jesus and His Overcomers) will HAVE eternal Life, but ALL (kings and subjects) in the kingdom will have ENTERED INTO LIFE. All in the Kingdom will enjoy the EFFECTS of this eternal life. They are considered as having ENTERED Life. And anybody refused entry into this kingdom of life, will not enjoy the effects of this rule - WHETHER CHRISTIAN OR NON-CHRISTIAN! The issue at hand is NOT whether you HAVE eternal life, but whether you may ENTER and ENJOY the type of LIFE-STYLE it produces. That is why the Book of Life has UNBELIEVERS IN IT. It is NOT a Book with the names of those who HAVE eternal life, but a BOOK that allows a man or woman to be allowed into the Kingdom and its joys based on their works. Let us examine an example of this.

In Matthew 24 and 25, the so-called "Olivet Discourse", our Lord Jesus answers three questions from 24:3. And in His answer, He takes into account that there are THREE peoples on earth. They are, (i) the Gentiles, or the Nations, (ii) the Nation of Israel, and (iii) the New Man, or Christians. So, in His answer to the three questions of 24:3, the Lord sets forth events of the last days …

for the Jew in Matthew 24:3-31.
for the “servant” and the “virgin” - the Church of the Lord - in Matthew 24:32 to 25:30.
concerning “ALL Nations” - the Gentiles - in Matthew 25:31-46.

And since the Nations, or Gentiles, don’t care, and don’t look for Christ’s coming like the Jew and the Church, our Lord outlines the single decisive event concerning them - the judgement of those of the Nations STILL LIVING after the Great Tribulation.

And the CRITERIA for this Judgment is just one:- HOW DID YOU TREAT THE CHRISTIAN AND THE JEW DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION? In Revelation Chapter 12 we find that the Woman who brought forth (i) those who “have the testimony of Jesus Christ” - Christians, and (ii) those who “keep the commandments of God” - the Jewish Remnant, is driven into a wilderness and “HELPED BY THE EARTH” (Rev.12:16). During the Great Tribulation Christians and certain Jews will be under extreme threat from the police force of the Beast, and not having the Mark of this Beast, cannot buy or sell. But certain of the Gentiles, by putting themselves under threat, will help them. THIS IS THE BASIS OF THE JUDGEMENT OF “ALL NATIONS” in Matthew 25:31-46.

And what is the OUTCOME of this Judgment??? Those of “ALL Nations” who helped a Christian or Jew, even if these Christians and/or Jews are “the least of the Lord’s Brethren”, WILL BE REWARDED BY ENTRY INTO LIFE ETERNAL!! Do they HAVE eternal Life? NO! They did not even know Who the Lord was, and did not even know that the man they gave a glass of water to, was a Christian. These helpers from the Gentiles fall under another promise of God - Matthew 10:41-42;

41 “He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.”

THE BOOK OF LIFE IS A BOOK OF REWARD FOR BOTH CHRISTIAN - WHO WILL BE CO-KINGS WITH CHRIST, AND REWARD FOR THOSE GENTILES WHO DID NOT ACTIVELY OPPOSE GOD WHILE ALIVE, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT BORN AGAIN. That is why it is always connected to WORKS.

Now, if you scroll forward to the White Throne, 1,000 years later, you have the judgment of ALL MEN who ever lived who were from the Nations. The Church and Israel are not judged here - just the "rest of the dead." Now let us take a 10 month old baby who had a cot-death. The Book of her WORKS is opened. But it is found that he/she had no works. And especially, he/she never opposed God in its 10 short months alive. He/she will be found in the Book of Life. Isaiah 66:24 sets forth who will go to the Lake of Fire. It reads;

"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

The Book of Life is a Book that has a list of names of those who the Lord judges not to have actively gone against Him, for His promise to Abraham was NOT THE LAKE OF FIRE for ALL men, but

"... in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" (Genesis 12:3, 28:14)

Truth7t7 · Oct 28, 2020

Corban said:

THE EXPLANATION OF THE BOOK OF LIFE.

The BOOK OF LIFE revolves around how scripture deals with the word “LIFE”.

The Bible deals with the word, and concept of LIFE in two ways. In a dog’s life there is the fact that he is alive. He has LIFE, albeit a dog’s life. He possesses the vitality and nature of a dog. He never thinks about it, but he barks, chases cats and mates when on heat. But what he does think about is how his LIVING turns out? If he has a doting master, a warm bed by the fireplace and a piece of fresh meat, he says to himself; “This is the life!” Likewise, on a human level, man is aware that he is alive, but foremost in his thoughts is, what standard that life has. He demands much more, feels much more and appreciates much more than the dog. Added to the warm fire and steak, is his appreciation of music, art, his hobby, his wife and how his government runs the country.

Now, if one takes the Bible literally except where a parable, allegory or metaphor is obvious, we cannot get around the fact that Christ will return to earth, set up a Kingdom that never ends, and together with those who proved themselves righteous in all things and in all tests, will rule the earth forever (Dan.2:44, Lk.19:17-19; Rev.11:15, etc.). That is, this Kingdom will be ruled by men and women who HAVE, as an intrinsic nature, eternal life - or the Life and Nature of God (2nd Pet.1:4). This means that the way the SUBJECTS of this Kingdom experience it, is that it is a RULE of ETERNAL LIFE.

In Matthew 19:16-25 our Lord Jesus shows this principle perfectly. The rich young man asks, in verse 16, how he might HAVE eternal life. But in verse 17 our Lord Jesus answers how he might "ENTER LIFE". The moral of the narrative is not my purpose here. What I want to show is that in verse 23 our Lord Jesus makes “ENTER INTO LIFE” to mean “ENTER THE KINGDOM!” That is, once our Lord Jesus returns and sets up His Kingdom on earth, anybody who is allowed the enjoy the RULE of this KINGDOM is enjoying a RULE of LIFE - whether king or subject.

The KINGS (our Lord Jesus and His Overcomers) will HAVE eternal Life, but ALL (kings and subjects) in the kingdom will have ENTERED INTO LIFE. All in the Kingdom will enjoy the EFFECTS of this eternal life. They are considered as having ENTERED Life. And anybody refused entry into this kingdom of life, will not enjoy the effects of this rule - WHETHER CHRISTIAN OR NON-CHRISTIAN! The issue at hand is NOT whether you HAVE eternal life, but whether you may ENTER and ENJOY the type of LIFE-STYLE it produces. That is why the Book of Life has UNBELIEVERS IN IT. It is NOT a Book with the names of those who HAVE eternal life, but a BOOK that allows a man or woman to be allowed into the Kingdom and its joys based on their works. Let us examine an example of this.

In Matthew 24 and 25, the so-called "Olivet Discourse", our Lord Jesus answers three questions from 24:3. And in His answer, He takes into account that there are THREE peoples on earth. They are, (i) the Gentiles, or the Nations, (ii) the Nation of Israel, and (iii) the New Man, or Christians. So, in His answer to the three questions of 24:3, the Lord sets forth events of the last days …

for the Jew in Matthew 24:3-31.
for the “servant” and the “virgin” - the Church of the Lord - in Matthew 24:32 to 25:30.
concerning “ALL Nations” - the Gentiles - in Matthew 25:31-46.

And since the Nations, or Gentiles, don’t care, and don’t look for Christ’s coming like the Jew and the Church, our Lord outlines the single decisive event concerning them - the judgement of those of the Nations STILL LIVING after the Great Tribulation.

And the CRITERIA for this Judgment is just one:- HOW DID YOU TREAT THE CHRISTIAN AND THE JEW DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION? In Revelation Chapter 12 we find that the Woman who brought forth (i) those who “have the testimony of Jesus Christ” - Christians, and (ii) those who “keep the commandments of God” - the Jewish Remnant, is driven into a wilderness and “HELPED BY THE EARTH” (Rev.12:16). During the Great Tribulation Christians and certain Jews will be under extreme threat from the police force of the Beast, and not having the Mark of this Beast, cannot buy or sell. But certain of the Gentiles, by putting themselves under threat, will help them. THIS IS THE BASIS OF THE JUDGEMENT OF “ALL NATIONS” in Matthew 25:31-46.

And what is the OUTCOME of this Judgment??? Those of “ALL Nations” who helped a Christian or Jew, even if these Christians and/or Jews are “the least of the Lord’s Brethren”, WILL BE REWARDED BY ENTRY INTO LIFE ETERNAL!! Do they HAVE eternal Life? NO! They did not even know Who the Lord was, and did not even know that the man they gave a glass of water to, was a Christian. These helpers from the Gentiles fall under another promise of God - Matthew 10:41-42;

41 “He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.”

THE BOOK OF LIFE IS A BOOK OF REWARD FOR BOTH CHRISTIAN - WHO WILL BE CO-KINGS WITH CHRIST, AND REWARD FOR THOSE GENTILES WHO DID NOT ACTIVELY OPPOSE GOD WHILE ALIVE, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT BORN AGAIN. That is why it is always connected to WORKS.

Now, if you scroll forward to the White Throne, 1,000 years later, you have the judgment of ALL MEN who ever lived who were from the Nations. The Church and Israel are not judged here - just the "rest of the dead." Now let us take a 10 month old baby who had a cot-death. The Book of her WORKS is opened. But it is found that he/she had no works. And especially, he/she never opposed God in its 10 short months alive. He/she will be found in the Book of Life. Isaiah 66:24 sets forth who will go to the Lake of Fire. It reads;

"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

The Book of Life is a Book that has a list of names of those who the Lord judges not to have actively gone against Him, for His promise to Abraham was NOT THE LAKE OF FIRE for ALL men, but

"... in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" (Genesis 12:3, 28:14)

No explanation is needed, if your not found written in the book of life, it's the lake of fire, it's that simple.

No need to go into long elaborate pages of discussion, trying to prove otherwise.

Those righteous faithful that followed the old covenant of blood Sacrifice for sin and those that receive Jesus Christ, And Are Sealed By The Holy Spirit, They Are Written In The Book If Life.

Revelation 20:15KJV
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Truth7t7 · Oct 28, 2020

Corban said:

THE EXPLANATION OF THE BOOK OF LIFE.

The BOOK OF LIFE revolves around how scripture deals with the word “LIFE”.

The Bible deals with the word, and concept of LIFE in two ways. In a dog’s life there is the fact that he is alive. He has LIFE, albeit a dog’s life. He possesses the vitality and nature of a dog. He never thinks about it, but he barks, chases cats and mates when on heat. But what he does think about is how his LIVING turns out? If he has a doting master, a warm bed by the fireplace and a piece of fresh meat, he says to himself; “This is the life!” Likewise, on a human level, man is aware that he is alive, but foremost in his thoughts is, what standard that life has. He demands much more, feels much more and appreciates much more than the dog. Added to the warm fire and steak, is his appreciation of music, art, his hobby, his wife and how his government runs the country.

Now, if one takes the Bible literally except where a parable, allegory or metaphor is obvious, we cannot get around the fact that Christ will return to earth, set up a Kingdom that never ends, and together with those who proved themselves righteous in all things and in all tests, will rule the earth forever (Dan.2:44, Lk.19:17-19; Rev.11:15, etc.). That is, this Kingdom will be ruled by men and women who HAVE, as an intrinsic nature, eternal life - or the Life and Nature of God (2nd Pet.1:4). This means that the way the SUBJECTS of this Kingdom experience it, is that it is a RULE of ETERNAL LIFE.

In Matthew 19:16-25 our Lord Jesus shows this principle perfectly. The rich young man asks, in verse 16, how he might HAVE eternal life. But in verse 17 our Lord Jesus answers how he might "ENTER LIFE". The moral of the narrative is not my purpose here. What I want to show is that in verse 23 our Lord Jesus makes “ENTER INTO LIFE” to mean “ENTER THE KINGDOM!” That is, once our Lord Jesus returns and sets up His Kingdom on earth, anybody who is allowed the enjoy the RULE of this KINGDOM is enjoying a RULE of LIFE - whether king or subject.

The KINGS (our Lord Jesus and His Overcomers) will HAVE eternal Life, but ALL (kings and subjects) in the kingdom will have ENTERED INTO LIFE. All in the Kingdom will enjoy the EFFECTS of this eternal life. They are considered as having ENTERED Life. And anybody refused entry into this kingdom of life, will not enjoy the effects of this rule - WHETHER CHRISTIAN OR NON-CHRISTIAN! The issue at hand is NOT whether you HAVE eternal life, but whether you may ENTER and ENJOY the type of LIFE-STYLE it produces. That is why the Book of Life has UNBELIEVERS IN IT. It is NOT a Book with the names of those who HAVE eternal life, but a BOOK that allows a man or woman to be allowed into the Kingdom and its joys based on their works. Let us examine an example of this.

In Matthew 24 and 25, the so-called "Olivet Discourse", our Lord Jesus answers three questions from 24:3. And in His answer, He takes into account that there are THREE peoples on earth. They are, (i) the Gentiles, or the Nations, (ii) the Nation of Israel, and (iii) the New Man, or Christians. So, in His answer to the three questions of 24:3, the Lord sets forth events of the last days …

for the Jew in Matthew 24:3-31.
for the “servant” and the “virgin” - the Church of the Lord - in Matthew 24:32 to 25:30.
concerning “ALL Nations” - the Gentiles - in Matthew 25:31-46.

And since the Nations, or Gentiles, don’t care, and don’t look for Christ’s coming like the Jew and the Church, our Lord outlines the single decisive event concerning them - the judgement of those of the Nations STILL LIVING after the Great Tribulation.

And the CRITERIA for this Judgment is just one:- HOW DID YOU TREAT THE CHRISTIAN AND THE JEW DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION? In Revelation Chapter 12 we find that the Woman who brought forth (i) those who “have the testimony of Jesus Christ” - Christians, and (ii) those who “keep the commandments of God” - the Jewish Remnant, is driven into a wilderness and “HELPED BY THE EARTH” (Rev.12:16). During the Great Tribulation Christians and certain Jews will be under extreme threat from the police force of the Beast, and not having the Mark of this Beast, cannot buy or sell. But certain of the Gentiles, by putting themselves under threat, will help them. THIS IS THE BASIS OF THE JUDGEMENT OF “ALL NATIONS” in Matthew 25:31-46.

And what is the OUTCOME of this Judgment??? Those of “ALL Nations” who helped a Christian or Jew, even if these Christians and/or Jews are “the least of the Lord’s Brethren”, WILL BE REWARDED BY ENTRY INTO LIFE ETERNAL!! Do they HAVE eternal Life? NO! They did not even know Who the Lord was, and did not even know that the man they gave a glass of water to, was a Christian. These helpers from the Gentiles fall under another promise of God - Matthew 10:41-42;

41 “He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.”

THE BOOK OF LIFE IS A BOOK OF REWARD FOR BOTH CHRISTIAN - WHO WILL BE CO-KINGS WITH CHRIST, AND REWARD FOR THOSE GENTILES WHO DID NOT ACTIVELY OPPOSE GOD WHILE ALIVE, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT BORN AGAIN. That is why it is always connected to WORKS.

Now, if you scroll forward to the White Throne, 1,000 years later, you have the judgment of ALL MEN who ever lived who were from the Nations. The Church and Israel are not judged here - just the "rest of the dead." Now let us take a 10 month old baby who had a cot-death. The Book of her WORKS is opened. But it is found that he/she had no works. And especially, he/she never opposed God in its 10 short months alive. He/she will be found in the Book of Life. Isaiah 66:24 sets forth who will go to the Lake of Fire. It reads;

"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

The Book of Life is a Book that has a list of names of those who the Lord judges not to have actively gone against Him, for His promise to Abraham was NOT THE LAKE OF FIRE for ALL men, but

"... in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" (Genesis 12:3, 28:14)

Your obsession appears to be denial of (Eternal Torment) of the unrighteous, do you believe in a literal hell and future lake of fire?

Adstar · Oct 29, 2020

Totally disagree with this point..

Faith is trusting

Faith is trusting God.. Faith is NOT believing God exists or seeing a manifestation of God.. The Bible makes it clear satan saw God but satan's eternal destination will be the eternal lake of fire.. People still have the choice to have faith in the LORD no matter if they see Him or do not see Him..

Also the Hebrews who where liberated out of Egypt and traveled with Moses saw all the mighty works of God.. The parting of the sea,, the pillar of cloud by day the pillar of fire by night all the other clear miracles that sustained them in the desert.. But they lacked Faith / trusting in God when it came to the crunch moment when they first came to the border of the promised land.. They refused to go in and take the land out of fear of the inhabitants..

So i totally disagree that seeing Jesus or not seeing Jesus eliminates the options for one to have faith in Jesus or not to have faith in Jesus.. indeed the Jews of Jesus time saw Him and for the most part rejected Him.. Likewise in the 1000 years normal flesh people ( not the now eternal Saints ) will come to Jerusalem each year and will see the LORD Jesus, but they will also have the option to either trust in Jesus and His revealed will for them during those times or they will be able to wish for liberation against Jesus.. To overthrow His Rod of Iron control of their Nations..

At the end of the 1000 years satan will be released from the pit and will go out and visit these people and decieve those who do not have faith in Jesus to believe that they can overthrow Him and liberate themselves form His rule and satan will lead them to attack the Millennium Kingdom to surround Jerusalem and the camp of the Saints.. But of course fire shall come down from heaven and destroy them all and satan will be cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are (having been thrown into the lake of fire 1000 years before at the battle of Armageddon.

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