The Post Tribulation Rapture

Truth7t7 · Oct 30, 2020

The Post Trib Rapture, (Exact Same Event)

(Immediately After The Tribulation)

1.) Same Lord In The Clouds Of Heaven

2.) Same Trump

3.) Same Gathering/Resurrection

Dispensationalism Falsely Teaches Matthew 24:29-31 Applies Only To Jews, (A Lie)

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Nehemiah6 · Oct 30, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Calling this a lie is in fact a lie.

Why do you continue to get involved with Bible prophecy when you have already established your ignorance in this area of Bible truth?

You have posted thread after thread after thread on eschatology, and it is all TOTAL NONSENSE.

A warning to the unwary: BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS.

BenjaminN · Oct 30, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Agreed 100%, pre-trib rapture is a false doctrine, and post-trib rapture is based on scripture, the great tribulation of Mathew 24 do not apply only to Jews, all the tribes of the earth are mentioned in Mathew 24:30 :

Mathew 24 (ESV)

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

2 Thessalonians 2 (ESV)

3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

JaumeJ · Oct 30, 2020

It is one thing to be mistaken and totally another to be a false teacher.

Warning to all.............watch out for the expert teachers, they too may be false.

BenjaminN · Oct 30, 2020

JaumeJ said:

Test everything by the infallible Word of God, his scriptures.

BenjaminN · Oct 30, 2020

oftheCreator.com :

The following prophesy will first come to pass, before the renewed Israel of Ezekiel 37, before the battle of God and Magog, before the building of the temple, before the anti-Christ / anti-Messiah enters the temple to proclaim himself a god and starts the great tribulation, and before the second (not third, fourth, fifth or sixth...) coming of Christ / Messiah:

After the time of the Gentiles have come into fruition (when this Gospel has reached the whole world, then the end will come), the Jews will rise from their spirit of stupor, and receive a spirit of grace, and accept Jesus / Yeshua as their Christ / their Messiah. It's happening right now, under our noses, oneforIsrael.com :

Matthew 24 (ESV)

11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Zechariah 12 (ESV)

10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

Romans 11 (ESV)

7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day."

BenjaminN · Oct 30, 2020

This scripture is the death knell of pre-trib false propheteering:

Revelation 13 (ESV)

7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people (not just Jacob's trouble, but all nation's trouble) and language and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it (during the 3.5 years of great tribulation), everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Nehemiah6 · Oct 30, 2020

BenjaminN said:

Do you even understand Revelation 13 and to whom it applies?

If the Church were be be subject to the Antichrist every Christian would be beheaded! But that is not what the Bible reveals about the Church. In fact the Antichrist cannot be revealed until and unless the Church and the Holy Spirit are "taken out of the way".

It looks like you have succumbed to some SERIOUSLY FALSE TEACHING.

BenjaminN · Oct 30, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

See that the elect is enduring by the grace of God through the 3.5 years of the great tribulation. Who do you think is the elect?

The elect is those whose names are written in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain (Body of Christ). Renewed Israel the Body of Christ as the elect were told beforehand, to be prepared for this, to let our lamps be full of oil for this. So that we would not be caught asleep by the great tribulation, but be prepared.

The Body of Christ is the elect. They will receive divine guidance through the great tribulation. God has shortened the days, unless no man could have prevailed, not even the elect.

Matthew 24 (ESV)

21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

Revelation 13 (ESV)

7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people (not just Jacob's trouble, but all nation's trouble) and language and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it (during the 3.5 years of great tribulation), everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

So I ask you again: Who do you think is the elect?

GraceAndTruth · Oct 30, 2020

Now if you could put it in the correct time-line in history............if only.

BenjaminN · Oct 30, 2020

GraceAndTruth said:

It's not in history, its in the future, after the gospel of the kingdom has reached the whole world. This has only recently become within grasp.

The great tribulation as described in Mathew 24 is at the last 3.5 years of the existence of the earth, before the second (not third, fourth, fifth, sixth???) coming of Jesus Christ / Yeshua ha'Mashiach, when he gathers his elect from the four corners of the earth, immediately after the great tribulation, immediately before the destruction of the earth together with the non-elect that were not raptured into his gathering. It is after the Gospel has reach the whole earth, then the end will come.

Matthew 24 (ESV)

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15 "So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, 'Look, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out. If they say, 'Look, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Truth7t7 · Oct 30, 2020

JaumeJ said:

A claim with Scripture has been made in the OP, deal with the presented evidence, (Crickets)

Because your looking at a post trib rapture before your eyes (Crickets)

Same Lord In The Heavens

Same Trump

Same Resurrection/Gathering

More (Crickets)

Truth7t7 · Oct 30, 2020

BenjaminN said:

See that the elect is enduring by the grace of God through the 3.5 years of the great tribulation. Who do you think is the elect?

The elect is those whose names are written in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain (Body of Christ). Renewed Israel the Body of Christ as the elect were told beforehand, to be prepared for this, to let our lamps be full of oil for this. So that we would not be caught asleep by the great tribulation, but be prepared.

The Body of Christ is the elect. They will receive divine guidance through the great tribulation. God has shortened the days, unless no man could have prevailed, not even the elect.

Matthew 24 (ESV)

21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

Revelation 13 (ESV)

7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people (not just Jacob's trouble, but all nation's trouble) and language and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it (during the 3.5 years of great tribulation), everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

So I ask you again: Who do you think is the elect?

The (Elect) is the Church Seen In Matthew 24:31, Both Jew And Gentile Being Gathered Immediately After The Tribulation.

GraceAndTruth · Oct 30, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Nothing in any prophesy says that the church is raptured immediately after the trib.
Don't bother to post a book that you disagree.

Truth7t7 · Oct 30, 2020

GraceAndTruth said:

Would you claim the (Full Preterist) position, that Matthew 24:29-31 was fulfilled in 66-70AD?

Do you believe Matthew 24:29-31 is Fulfilled Or Future?

GraceAndTruth · Oct 30, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

when you try to put a label of me, I will not answer you

BenjaminN · Oct 30, 2020

GraceAndTruth said:

Matthew 24 (ESV)

29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Thessalonians 4 (ESV)

15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

Revelation 7 (ESV)

9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" 11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying, "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen." 13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, "Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?" 14 I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 "Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.

BenjaminN · Oct 30, 2020

Truth7t7 said:
Dispensationalism Falsely Teaches Matthew 24:29-31 Applies Only To Jews, (A Lie)

Nehemiah6 said:

Revelation 7 (ESV)

9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages (NOT JEWS ONLY, COMING THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION, HAVE CLOTHED THEMSELVES IN WHITE ROBES), standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" 11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying, "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen." 13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, "Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?" 14 I said to him, "Sir, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 "Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will shelter them with his presence.

TabinRivCA · Oct 30, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

The Post Trib Rapture, (Exact Same Event)

(Immediately After The Tribulation)

1.) Same Lord In The Clouds Of Heaven

2.) Same Trump

3.) Same Gathering/Resurrection

Dispensationalism Falsely Teaches Matthew 24:29-31 Applies Only To Jews, (A Lie)

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

What father, esp our Heavenly Father, would terribly punish his obedient children along with the ungodly? That in and of itself is a bad idea.

Truth7t7 · Oct 30, 2020

Nehemiah6 said:

Gods words below clearly warns believers against your false teaching, the (Antichrist/Man of Sin) will be revealed when the church is present on earth.

(Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means)

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

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