The natural man

[Dino246]

They must place their Faith and maintain it in the Cross or they enter into death. Rom. 8:2

That's ridiculous. The natural man is already dead in his sins; he doesn't enter it again.

Further, faith placed in a pole and beam isn't going to do anything for anyone. Saving faith is in the Person and finished work of Jesus Christ.

 

[throughfaith]

Because it applies to this day and time, and harmonizes with other scriptures.

Do you acknowledge the death , burial and resurrection as making any significant difference ?

 

[notuptome]

You fail to understand how bad the christian can become by yielding to the desires of his fleshly nature. We have no righteousness of our own, just filthy rags, except for the imputed righteousness of Christ. The sad thing is, that when we are born again, we do not lose our fleshly nature, and will carry it with us to the grave.

You have an unorthodox interpretation of 1 Cor 2"14. How did you come up with it anyway? Do you have scripture to support your theory?

It's only unorthodox to you. Does that mean that you find Spiritual things foolishness? You completely misunderstand Romans 1.Are Christians able to backslide? Sure but restoration is theirs for the asking.

I fail to see how John 3:18-21 identifies with 1 Cor 2:14.

Unsaved folks who have no interest in the Truth when confronted with the Light turn away and return to condemnation. Some folks will not give up their sin because they love it . Some Christians will not give up their heresy because they love it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ForestGreenCook]

They must place their Faith and maintain it in the Cross or they enter into death. Rom. 8:2

The unregenerate natural man only has faith in man, and his accomplishments. He cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness, 1 Cor 2:14. There are no steps for the natural man to take to become spiritual, because he is spiritually dead at the time that he is quickened to spiritual life by God's sovereign grace. Eph 2.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Do you acknowledge the death , burial and resurrection as making any significant difference ?

Yes, if that had never happened, our bodies would not be raised at the last day.

 

[throughfaith]

Yes, if that had never happened, our bodies would not be raised at the last day.

We would still be under the law amoung many other things .
When does the new testament start ?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

It's only unorthodox to you. Does that mean that you find Spiritual things foolishness? You completely misunderstand Romans 1.Are Christians able to backslide? Sure but restoration is theirs for the asking.

Unsaved folks who have no interest in the Truth when confronted with the Light turn away and return to condemnation. Some folks will not give up their sin because they love it . Some Christians will not give up their heresy because they love it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Christ died to pay for the sins of all of those that his Father gave him. Once their sins were forgiven, God looks upon them as holy, and without blame. Repentance does not apply to the unregenerate natural man, because he will not repent of breaking a spiritual law, that he does not understand, and thinks it to be foolishness. Restoration (repentance) is definitely there for the asking, for the regenerated man, such as those in Romans 1.

Whosoever is born of God doeth not commit sin (as far as his eternal deliverance is concerned), for his (Christ) seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

We would still be under the law amoung many other things .
When does the new testament start ?

When the laws are written in the fleshy hearts of the regenerated.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

There are no steps for the natural man to take to become spiritual

Whosoever!!!!!!

 

[Magenta]

All of those that the Father gave to his Son, were, by covenant relationship, saved, delivered, secured in their eternal inheritance, by Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Sometime between their natural birth, and their natural death, God, by his sovereign grace, without the help of man, will, while he is yet dead, spiritually, in his sins. quicken him to a spiritual life in Christ. God gets all of the praise, and man gets none.

God saves no man against man's will. John 3:18-21 makes that abundantly clear.

You teach heresy. You rob God of His glory. Apostacy left uncorrected always leads to it's ultimate conclusion which is blasphemy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

God making it possible for us to choose Him is not to say God forces us/anyone against our/their will

 

[throughfaith]

When the laws are written in the fleshy hearts of the regenerated.

Again that's for ISRAEL

 

[throughfaith]

Christ died to pay for the sins of all of those that his Father gave him. Once their sins were forgiven, God looks upon them as holy, and without blame. Repentance does not apply to the unregenerate natural man, because he will not repent of breaking a spiritual law, that he does not understand, and thinks it to be foolishness. Restoration (repentance) is definitely there for the asking, for the regenerated man, such as those in Romans 1.

Whosoever is born of God doeth not commit sin (as far as his eternal deliverance is concerned), for his (Christ) seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9.

//Christ died to pay for the sins of all of those that his Father gave him ///?? Again this is backwards . Your going to a verse about ' giving those to the Son ' Which is before Jesus died for the sins of the world..John 12 comes after john 6 also .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

God making it possible for us to choose Him is not to say God forces us/anyone against our/their will

Was Jonah forced against his will?

How do you believe that the unregenerate natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, can be born spiritually? Is he willing when he is quickened in Eph 2?

 

[Magenta]

Was Jonah forced against his will?

How do you believe that the unregenerate natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, can be born spiritually? Is he willing when he is quickened in Eph 2?

Are you disputing the fact that we are given a choice?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

//Christ died to pay for the sins of all of those that his Father gave him ///?? Again this is backwards . Your going to a verse about ' giving those to the Son ' Which is before Jesus died for the sins of the world..John 12 comes after john 6 also .

Can you give me a scripture that says that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world of mankind?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Are you disputing the fact that we are given a choice?

No, I am disputing that God can, and does override man's choice when it comes to his being born again to a spiritual life.

 

[throughfaith]

Can you give me a scripture that says that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world of mankind?

It won't make any difference to you because your system has a fail safe were words can be manipulated to mean whatever the paradigm requires .

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Are you disputing the fact that we are given a choice?

I am referring to Eph 2, where the natural man who is dead spiritually is quickened to a spiritual life, without his consent.

 

[throughfaith]

I am referring to Eph 2, where the natural man who is dead spiritually is quickened to a spiritual life, without his consent.

it doesn't say ' without his consent ' ??

 

[ForestGreenCook]

It won't make any difference to you because your system has a fail safe were words can be manipulated to mean whatever the paradigm requires .

Your problem is that you avoid the scripture that do not fit your theory. If you would just go by the scriptures and let them prove themselves you might be able to see the truth that is revealed therein.