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luigi

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Revelation chapters 9-16-20 same satan being loosed, same battle in parallel teachings of the same event
I do believe the plagues and genocide in Revelation 9 to correlate with the beasts ascension, but I do not know if these events correlate with the Lord's wrath coming upon the beasts worshippers in Revelation 16. It is possible. I do, however, believe there is correlation between the Lord's wrath coming upon the beast's worshippers in Revelation 16, with the judgment on the dragon and beast and false prophet in Revelation 19 & 20.
 

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The reason I do not, is because Lk21:12 says "BUT BEFORE ALL these" (i.e. BEFORE the beginning of birth PANGS just listed in vv.8-11) the 70ad events transpire (INCLUDING the "SEE-then-FLEE") ; but in Matt24, "the beginning of birth PANGS [identical in Lk21]" PRECEDE the "SEE-then-FLEE" (mid-trib events)... [whereas in Lk21 "the beginning of birth PANGS" FOLLOW other certain events (vv.12-24, including "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations..." which covers much duration of time)]

This corresponds also with the wording Jesus gave in Matthew 22:7 ['the king WAS WROTH... and burned up their city' (see also His words in Lk19:41-44 on the VERY DAY that the 69 Weeks were concluded)] - 8 ['THEN SAITH HE to his servants'--which necessarily takes place AFTER the 70ad events... and here the LATER 95ad writings "fit" perfectly... see the wording in v.1 (7:3) of Rev]



Gotta run, but hope to be back way later tonight...
Completely agree with everything you have stated. Including the comment of the "very day that the 69 weeks were concluded". That day would be the 14th of Nisan, which was the day that the Messiah was cut off per Daniel chapter 9.
 
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Greatly edifying post. Thank you for this from the heart in the Spirit. God bless you always in Jesus-Yeshua, amen.
And you also dear saint😀😀😀
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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Actually, the Lord tells us all to watch for the signs in the Olivet discourse in Mark 13, Matthew 24, and Luke 21.

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

Again what I say is true. They end for us all is coming soon
 

Truth7t7

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I do believe the plagues and genocide in Revelation 9 to correlate with the beasts ascension, but I do not know if these events correlate with the Lord's wrath coming upon the beasts worshippers in Revelation 16. It is possible. I do, however, believe there is correlation between the Lord's wrath coming upon the beast's worshippers in Revelation 16, with the judgment on the dragon and beast and false prophet in Revelation 19 & 20.
I find that the Trumpets and Vials are parallel teachings of the same events?

6th Trump/Vial same River euphrates

7th Trump/Vial the Eternal state, (It Is Done)(He Shall Reign Forever)

Revelation 9:13-15KJV
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:12KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Revelation 16:17KJV
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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TheDivineWatermark said:
The reason I do not, is because Lk21:12 says "BUT BEFORE ALL these" (i.e. BEFORE the beginning of birth PANGS just listed in vv.8-11) the 70ad events transpire (INCLUDING the "SEE-then-FLEE") ; but in Matt24, "the beginning of birth PANGS [identical in Lk21]" PRECEDE the "SEE-then-FLEE" (mid-trib events)... [whereas in Lk21 "the beginning of birth PANGS" FOLLOW other certain events (vv.12-24, including "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations..." which covers much duration of time)]

This corresponds also with the wording Jesus gave in Matthew 22:7 ['the king WAS WROTH... and burned up their city' (see also His words in Lk19:41-44 on the VERY DAY that the 69 Weeks were concluded)] - 8 ['THEN SAITH HE to his servants'--which necessarily takes place AFTER the 70ad events... and here the LATER 95ad writings "fit" perfectly... see the wording in v.1 (7:3) of Rev]
It's been some time since our last discussion?
Huh?

[just a few hours ago: https://christianchat.com/threads/living-in-the-millenia.195620/post-4411899 ... perhaps you jest :D ]

Do you believe in a (Future) return of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven?
Let me ask you this... Did you read and grasp the content of my post you just quoted (reposted at top on this post), or the one at link for that matter (a few hrs ago, which was addressed to you)?

I'm not gathering that you have, but I could be wrong; perhaps you aren't commenting on my post??
 

luigi

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I find that the Trumpets and Vials are parallel teachings of the same events?

6th Trump/Vial same River euphrates

7th Trump/Vial the Eternal state, (It Is Done)(He Shall Reign Forever)

Revelation 9:13-15KJV
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:12KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Revelation 16:17KJV
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Revelation 11:19 with the thunders, lightnings, a great earthquake, and great hail does correlate with the thunders and lightnings, a great earthquake and great hail in Revelation 16:18 & 21.

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
 

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luigi

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I find that the Trumpets and Vials are parallel teachings of the same events?

6th Trump/Vial same River euphrates

7th Trump/Vial the Eternal state, (It Is Done)(He Shall Reign Forever)

Revelation 9:13-15KJV
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:12KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Revelation 16:17KJV
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
I missed one Truth7T7, When the Lord commences to reign at the conclusion of the beasts 42 months there are great voices in heaven in Revelation 11:15 which also correlate with the great voice and voices in Revelation 16:17-18.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
 

luigi

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Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

Again what I say is true. They end for us all is coming soon
I do agree that the end of all that is currently under the devils control is coming soon. We are therefore to endure to the end, because we do not know when our specific hour our trials will come upon any of us in particular. I'm kind of glad that I'm a Christian here and not in North Korea, or China, or Nigeria, or some other similar nation that is persecuting and or killing Christians.
 

luigi

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I find that the Trumpets and Vials are parallel teachings of the same events?

6th Trump/Vial same River euphrates

7th Trump/Vial the Eternal state, (It Is Done)(He Shall Reign Forever)

Revelation 9:13-15KJV
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:12KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Revelation 16:17KJV
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Another thing brother,
As the wrath of the Lord upon the beasts worshippers commences at the conclusion of the beast's 42 month reign, at which time the Lord's prophets and saints are to be rewarded (Revelation 11:18), I believe these events to take place over more than just a mere few weeks or even months. This is when the saints are awarded the kingdom and commence to reign on the earth with the Lord (Daniel 7:27). It is therefore the millennium reign. Micah 5 also seems to describe this, commencing with the Lord giving up His life on earth until she that travaileth bringeth forth, as in Revelation 12.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.


Micah 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
 

Truth7t7

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Revelation 11:19 with the thunders, lightnings, a great earthquake, and great hail does correlate with the thunders and lightnings, a great earthquake and great hail in Revelation 16:18 & 21.

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
I agree, same parallel teaching of the same events

The 7th Trump in Rev 11:15 is a continuation of Rev Chapter 9
 

Truth7t7

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Another thing brother,
As the wrath of the Lord upon the beasts worshippers commences at the conclusion of the beast's 42 month reign, at which time the Lord's prophets and saints are to be rewarded (Revelation 11:18), I believe these events to take place over more than just a mere few weeks or even months. This is when the saints are awarded the kingdom and commence to reign on the earth with the Lord (Daniel 7:27). It is therefore the millennium reign. Micah 5 also seems to describe this, commencing with the Lord giving up His life on earth until she that travaileth bringeth forth, as in Revelation 12.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Micah 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
We will strongly disagree on a future Millennial kingdom on earth, beyond the 7th Trump and Vial

Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire 2 Peter 3:10,

Scripture teaches below that the 7th Trump seen is the end, (He Shall Reign Forever) eternal Rev 11:15,you will closely note in Rev 11:18 the final judgement takes place

As seen in Rev 10:6-7 below at the voice of the 7th angel there's (Time No Longer) (The Mystery Of God Is Finished)

Revelation 11:15-19KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 10:5-7KJV
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
 

Truth7t7

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This is when the saints are awarded the kingdom and commence to reign on the earth with the Lord (Daniel 7:27). It is therefore the millennium reign.
There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

luigi

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We will strongly disagree on a future Millennial kingdom on earth, beyond the 7th Trump and Vial

Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire 2 Peter 3:10,
I strongly agree with you that the Lord returns in fire and final judgment dissolving this earth by fire as described in 2 Peter 3:10; but when does this occur? Does this occur shortly after the kingdom is awarded to the saints, which comes shortly after the conclusion of the beasts 42 months? Or does this come after the devil is cast into the bottomless pit for a thousand years (Revelation 20:2-3), after which he is released and deceives mankind to come up against the saints in Jerusalem, at which point fire from heaven comes down and destroys them (Revelation 20:9). It seems to me that the fire that dissolves the earth in 2 Peter 3:10 correlates with the fire that kills all the world's kingdoms who come up against the saints after their ruling with Christ for a thousand years, because in the very next chapter we read of a new heaven and a new earth (Revelation 21:1) .

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


Scripture teaches below that the 7th Trump seen is the end, (He Shall Reign Forever) eternal Rev 11:15,you will closely note in Rev 11:18 the final judgement takes place
The end of what Truth7T7? The end of the final indignation in which Satan's world control comes to an end, and the Lords control with and through his saints on the earth commences.

Daniel 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
 

luigi

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There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
If shortly after the beast's 42 month reign terminates and the Lord commences to reign along with His saints, where then do the 1000 years in which the Lord is reigning with his saints in Revelation 20:6 occur, after which Satan is then loosed from his prison and goes to deceive the world's nations throughout the earth in Revelation 20:7-9, where they then go up on the breadth of the earth and are all devoured by the fire that comes down from God out of heaven?

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

Truth7t7

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If shortly after the beast's 42 month reign terminates and the Lord commences to reign along with His saints, where then do the 1000 years in which the Lord is reigning with his saints in Revelation 20:6 occur, after which Satan is then loosed from his prison and goes to deceive the world's nations throughout the earth in Revelation 20:7-9, where they then go up on the breadth of the earth and are all devoured by the fire that comes down from God out of heaven?

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Many believe a literal 1,000 year Kingdom upon this earth, with mortal humans exist, this in a future Millennial reign?

Is this seen in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

That seen below is 100% in the spiritual realm, no Kingdom or mortal humans are seen upon earth, yet many believe this (False Teaching) just one more example.

100% Spiritual, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

No Kingdom Or Mortal Humans Are Seen On This Earth, (None)

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

luigi

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As seen in Rev 10:6-7 below at the voice of the 7th angel there's (Time No Longer) (The Mystery Of God Is Finished)

Revelation 10:5-7KJV
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
We are still not at that point where the mystery of God is finished with our understanding what all the Word represents. We are, however, at the point near the end where the events described by the prophet Daniel are now unsealed, with our understanding and knowledge of these events increasing (Daniel 12:4 & 9).

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.