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I'm not sure what you mean by that...
...but I have made posts in the past about how Luke 21:32's "[... this generation shall not pass away,] TILL ALL be fulfilled" MUST NECESSARILY *INCLUDE* the two [of lengthy-duration] items that verse 24 had JUST mentioned: "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations, AND Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles [see Rev11:2 (and its TIMING issues)] UNTIL the *TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled"
[the phrase "the *TIMES of the Gentiles" referring to "Gentile domination over Israel" (think: Neb's dream/image/statue, with Neb as "head of gold"... and which STARTED in 606/605bc, and will CONCLUDE at the END of the future trib, Rev11:2), and which is distinct in meaning from the phrase "the FULNESS of the Gentiles be come in [G1525]"--the "TIMES of the Gentiles" pertains to the "[Jerusalem] TRODDEN DOWN of the Gentiles" (UNTIL... fulfilled) thing]
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Here's what I posted of William Kelly's Commentary on that, in past posts:
[quoting Wm Kelly, taken from BibleHub]
"But, this is not the only point of interest in this appendix to the prophecy. For the Lord has given us the positive proof, by the way in which verse 32 stands here, that "this generation" cannot mean a mere chronological space of thirty or even one hundred years, for it is brought in after the running out of Gentile times and the coming of the Son of man with power and glory, events still unfulfilled. Its force is moral; not exactly the nation of Israel but that Christ-rejecting race which then refused their Messiah as they do still. This will go on till all these solemn threats of judgment are accomplished. It is profitable to remark that here, not in doctrine or in practice only, but in these unfoldings of the future, the Lord pledges the impossibility of failing in His words. The Lord does not say that this generation "shall not pass away till the temple is destroyed or the city taken," but till all be fulfilled. Now, He had introduced [in v24!] the subsequent treading down of Jerusalem to the end of Israel's trials at His appearing, and He declares that this generation shall not pass away till then; as indeed it is only then grace will form a new generation, the generation to come. The more we hold fast the continuity of the stream of the prophecy, as distinguished from the crisis in Matthew and Mark, the greater will be seen to be the importance of this remark."
--William Kelly, Luke 21 Commentary
[end quoting; bold, underline, color, and brackets mine]
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Hope that helps you see my perspective. = )
...but I have made posts in the past about how Luke 21:32's "[... this generation shall not pass away,] TILL ALL be fulfilled" MUST NECESSARILY *INCLUDE* the two [of lengthy-duration] items that verse 24 had JUST mentioned: "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations, AND Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles [see Rev11:2 (and its TIMING issues)] UNTIL the *TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled"
[the phrase "the *TIMES of the Gentiles" referring to "Gentile domination over Israel" (think: Neb's dream/image/statue, with Neb as "head of gold"... and which STARTED in 606/605bc, and will CONCLUDE at the END of the future trib, Rev11:2), and which is distinct in meaning from the phrase "the FULNESS of the Gentiles be come in [G1525]"--the "TIMES of the Gentiles" pertains to the "[Jerusalem] TRODDEN DOWN of the Gentiles" (UNTIL... fulfilled) thing]
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Here's what I posted of William Kelly's Commentary on that, in past posts:
[quoting Wm Kelly, taken from BibleHub]
"But, this is not the only point of interest in this appendix to the prophecy. For the Lord has given us the positive proof, by the way in which verse 32 stands here, that "this generation" cannot mean a mere chronological space of thirty or even one hundred years, for it is brought in after the running out of Gentile times and the coming of the Son of man with power and glory, events still unfulfilled. Its force is moral; not exactly the nation of Israel but that Christ-rejecting race which then refused their Messiah as they do still. This will go on till all these solemn threats of judgment are accomplished. It is profitable to remark that here, not in doctrine or in practice only, but in these unfoldings of the future, the Lord pledges the impossibility of failing in His words. The Lord does not say that this generation "shall not pass away till the temple is destroyed or the city taken," but till all be fulfilled. Now, He had introduced [in v24!] the subsequent treading down of Jerusalem to the end of Israel's trials at His appearing, and He declares that this generation shall not pass away till then; as indeed it is only then grace will form a new generation, the generation to come. The more we hold fast the continuity of the stream of the prophecy, as distinguished from the crisis in Matthew and Mark, the greater will be seen to be the importance of this remark."
--William Kelly, Luke 21 Commentary
[end quoting; bold, underline, color, and brackets mine]
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Hope that helps you see my perspective. = )
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I hope you don't mind me saying so but I think you're a brother from a different mother lol.
Unfortunately we do not see eye to eye on Genesis chapter 6 etc. You might want to reconsider your position, as there is a significant possibility that we shall see the same angelic mischief reappear at the end times, with perhaps a different take on it such as transhumanism,
an ET hoax/conspiracy/deception.
Use your imagination........Fallen men collaborating with wicked angels is the rule rather than the exception.
Unfortunately we do not see eye to eye on Genesis chapter 6 etc. You might want to reconsider your position, as there is a significant possibility that we shall see the same angelic mischief reappear at the end times, with perhaps a different take on it such as transhumanism,
an ET hoax/conspiracy/deception.
Use your imagination........Fallen men collaborating with wicked angels is the rule rather than the exception.
I agree Joey. Things are looking like the persecution of the Western church may not be far off.
And the notion that we’ll be raptured out and avoid persecution is nonsense. Serious persecution can happen before the tribulation period. After all, we were promised persecution.
Paul wrote Timothy, “ Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted” (2 Timothy 3:12. Also see Acts 14:21-22; John 15:20).
The New Testament church experienced persecution; examples, Philippians 1:28-30; 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16; Hebrews 10:32-34; 1Peter.
And then there was the persecution of Christians that took place under the emperors Nero, Trajan, Marcus Aurelius, Septimius Severus, Maximinus, Decius, Valerian, Aurelian and Diocletian.
And we think persecution can’t come to us when it’s happening in the rest of the world? See Blades post #69
Persecution has happened throughout Church History as well as taking place today, and we in the West think it won’t happen to us? The question is when persecution visits us will we have the same attitude as the apostles? “So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name” (Acts 5:41)
And the notion that we’ll be raptured out and avoid persecution is nonsense. Serious persecution can happen before the tribulation period. After all, we were promised persecution.
Paul wrote Timothy, “ Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted” (2 Timothy 3:12. Also see Acts 14:21-22; John 15:20).
The New Testament church experienced persecution; examples, Philippians 1:28-30; 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16; Hebrews 10:32-34; 1Peter.
And then there was the persecution of Christians that took place under the emperors Nero, Trajan, Marcus Aurelius, Septimius Severus, Maximinus, Decius, Valerian, Aurelian and Diocletian.
And we think persecution can’t come to us when it’s happening in the rest of the world? See Blades post #69
Persecution has happened throughout Church History as well as taking place today, and we in the West think it won’t happen to us? The question is when persecution visits us will we have the same attitude as the apostles? “So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name” (Acts 5:41)
The Lord tells us to watch for the signs in the Olivet discourse which include the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, of which signs, all would occur within a single generation before the end would come.
The signs in the Olivet discourse, including the abomination of desolation who makes a covenant with many for the final seventieth week, at the end of which the end shall come, has not occurred, nor in any single generation previously.
The signs in the Olivet discourse, including the abomination of desolation who makes a covenant with many for the final seventieth week, at the end of which the end shall come, has not occurred, nor in any single generation previously.
Many references to eating in scriptures are spiritual. I also believe that the travailing woman's basic sustenary needs will be met, but I also believe that the primary sustenance that the woman will be fed is the true bread from heaven, which will result in a caught up to God in heaven singularly minded male child.
Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
The lord informs us that the generation who witnesses all the events in the Olivet discourse shall not pass away before the end comes.
Included in the Olivet discourse is the abomination of desolation whom the prophet Daniel speaks of making a covenant with many for the week.
If you were then to make the case that the events in the Olivet discourse have come to pass, and the abomination of desolation has come and gone along with his one week covenant with many; then where is the generation who witnessed these events who have not passed away?
The Lord gave us all these criteria, because he foresaw all the deception the devil would come up with.
Included in the Olivet discourse is the abomination of desolation whom the prophet Daniel speaks of making a covenant with many for the week.
If you were then to make the case that the events in the Olivet discourse have come to pass, and the abomination of desolation has come and gone along with his one week covenant with many; then where is the generation who witnessed these events who have not passed away?
The Lord gave us all these criteria, because he foresaw all the deception the devil would come up with.
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Jesus didn't say, "The generation that sees these signs..."; He said, "This generation....". Only when you begin with the presumption that the events have not come to pass will you conclude that Jesus meant something other than the people alive at that time.
Dead and gone 1900+ years ago. Roughly 100,000 died in the famine, plague, and various battles, and the rest were sold into slavery.
So one might conclude that the futurist interpretation of these passages is part of the devil's deception.
Dead and gone 1900+ years ago. Roughly 100,000 died in the famine, plague, and various battles, and the rest were sold into slavery.
So one might conclude that the futurist interpretation of these passages is part of the devil's deception.
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Jesus didn't say, "The generation that sees these signs..."; He said, "This generation....". Only when you begin with the presumption that the events have not come to pass will you conclude that Jesus meant something other than the people alive at that time.
Dead and gone 1900+ years ago. Roughly 100,000 died in the famine, plague, and various battles, and the rest were sold into slavery.
So one might conclude that the futurist interpretation of these passages is part of the devil's deception.
Dead and gone 1900+ years ago. Roughly 100,000 died in the famine, plague, and various battles, and the rest were sold into slavery.
So one might conclude that the futurist interpretation of these passages is part of the devil's deception.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Show me the Scripture where Jesus says, "The generation that sees these signs..." or anything of the sort. Then we can discuss who is splitting hairs.
You suggest all ethnic Jews in Israel will be saved?
Scripture below clearly teaches 2/3 will (DIE) the 1/3 will be saved, the remnant elect chosen.
Zechariah 13:7-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God
Scripture below clearly teaches 2/3 will (DIE) the 1/3 will be saved, the remnant elect chosen.
Zechariah 13:7-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God
I agree 100%
Daniel's abomination seen in Matthew 24:15 is a sign to watch for, and the great tribulation in Matthew 24:21 will follow.
Your exactly correct, Matthew 24 is speaking to a future generation that will witness the unfulfilled events, it will be the generation that witnesses the future Abomination that will not pass.
Preterism's claims that these events took place in 66-70AD Jerusalem is false.
Daniel's abomination seen in Matthew 24:15 is a sign to watch for, and the great tribulation in Matthew 24:21 will follow.
Your exactly correct, Matthew 24 is speaking to a future generation that will witness the unfulfilled events, it will be the generation that witnesses the future Abomination that will not pass.
Preterism's claims that these events took place in 66-70AD Jerusalem is false.
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I did not say nor did I suggest that all ethnic Jews in Israel will be saved. Two thirds will definitely perish in the Great Tribulation. The remnant will be the beneficiaries of the promises made to king David and Abraham. For an EARTHY kingdom ruled by Christ. First for 1000 years in a renewed earth, from earthly Jerusalem ruled by Jesus and David and the Saints. Populated by Jews (all of which will be renewed and redeemed and saved......without exception), and the remnant of the gentiles, some of whom will be redeemed and some of whom will not be redeemed. After the thousand years there will be a final war then a final judgment.
Only then will the heavens and earth be annihilated in fire and a new heavens and new earth created.
This is end-time eschatology 101. Everybody should know it by now.
Only then will the heavens and earth be annihilated in fire and a new heavens and new earth created.
This is end-time eschatology 101. Everybody should know it by now.
I guess you didn't put me on Ignore.
Step up and tell us all what the "explicit warning given by Jesus" is, that I am allegedly ignoring. Then, given the post of mine that you quoted, tell us all the Scripture where Jesus says, "The generation that sees these signs...".
Surely you know them by heart, since you are so confident.
Step up and tell us all what the "explicit warning given by Jesus" is, that I am allegedly ignoring. Then, given the post of mine that you quoted, tell us all the Scripture where Jesus says, "The generation that sees these signs...".
Surely you know them by heart, since you are so confident.
I'm simply taking Jesus' words at face value instead of imposing a belief and thereby changing them.
This is kindergarten common sense basic deductive reasoning that does not merit any argument, and yet you continue to argue the point. I will leave you to your own way of reasoning, and not continue arguing with what is basically obvious.
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Your claim is false, Jesus Christ spoke directly to the generation that would be eye witnesses of the events explained in Matthew 24
Jesus Christ stated directly (When Ye Shall See The Abomination Of Desolation) (When Ye Shall See All These Things) (This Generation Shall Not Pass)
What is near even at the doors in Matthew 24:33 below, (The Second Coming) the day and hour no man knows, (A Future Event)
Matthew 24:15 & 33-34KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Jesus Christ stated directly (When Ye Shall See The Abomination Of Desolation) (When Ye Shall See All These Things) (This Generation Shall Not Pass)
What is near even at the doors in Matthew 24:33 below, (The Second Coming) the day and hour no man knows, (A Future Event)
Matthew 24:15 & 33-34KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
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