Yes the true location of the Temple has been determined. The wailing wall is undoubtedly the fortress of Antonia.

[Blackpowderduelist]

In other words. God is a liar

Ok. Good to know what you think

Nope! God is not a liar.
Your understanding of what God Said is thrown off.
If you notice there is no directive to build this Temple that Ezekiel is observing.
And then if you notice at the very end of Ezekiel the name of that City will be the Lord is there. This is not some man-made Temple that will be defiled by an antichrist. Read the context of everything that is written there.

 

[cv5]

Whatever happened to that RED HEIFER of a few years ago.........seems those who wish to go back to animal sacrifice missed the boat on that one. (you are in BIG trouble with PETA!)

The temple destroyed in 70AD was totally destroyed. Not one stone left.

"When at last the walls were breached Titus tried to preserve the Temple by giving orders to his soldiers not to destroy or burn it. But the anger of the soldiers against the Jews was so intense that, maddened by the resistance they encountered, they disobeyed the order of their general and set fire to the Temple. There were great quantities of gold and silver there which had been placed in the Temple for safekeeping. This melted and ran down between the rocks and into the cracks of the stones. When the soldiers captured the Temple area, in their greed to obtain this gold and silver they took long bars and pried apart the massive stones. Thus, quite literally, not one stone was left standing upon another"

A temple rebuilt today would be superfluous. Christ is our perfect sacrifice......anything else offered would be sacrilege.

Au contraire...they HAVE INDEED found the exact location of the Solomonic temple. And destroyed the Wailing Wall hoax. Of course the timing is perfect.....for Israel to build a prophesied Great Tribulation Temple. This Israel did not exist for 2000 years. You would think it was a MIRACLE that it should be reformed in 1948. It WAS a miracle of fulfilled prophecy see link below.

http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

You would think the reforming of Israel in 1948 (and retaking of Jerusalem in 1967) would silence the amillennialists and preterists once and for all. But no..... for these folks no evidence is sufficient to abandon their heresies. Despite their protestations God will indeed redeem his people Israel yet future.....in a Millennial Kingdom where Israel will eat the fat and drink the milk of the gentile nations who survive the tribulation Judgments.

Zech 12
“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples. Judah will be besieged, as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth gather against her, I will make Jerusalem a heavy stonefor all the peoples; all who would heave it away will be severely injured. On that day, declares the LORD, I will strike every horse with panic, and every rider with madness. I will keep a watchful eye on the house of Judah, but I will strike with blindness all the horses of the nations.…

https://biblehub.com/zechariah/14-1.htm

Yes indeed the Wailing Wall is the western wall of the 36 acre Antonia fortress complex. This was a standardized Roman fortress complex, which housed tens of thousands of people.....A small city unto itself. The footprint of the Antonia fortress is perfectly visible today anyone can see it on photographs. And no it is definitely not the Temple Mount. The descriptions of Josephus match the latest archaeological findings perfectly.

The Millennium is coming people. Christ is coming in his full glory and might. Every eye shall see Him in all the tribes of the earth shall mourn.

Rev 1:7
Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope! God is not a liar.
Your understanding of what God Said is thrown off.
If you notice there is no directive to build this Temple that Ezekiel is observing.
And then if you notice at the very end of Ezekiel the name of that City will be the Lord is there. This is not some man-made Temple that will be defiled by an antichrist. Read the context of everything that is written there.

Ok explain this

Zech 14, Isreal,is restored, jesus is ruling in the temple. the people are once a year supposed to come to jerusalem and the temple and worship Jesus

whoever does not, this happens.

Zechariah 14:17
And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

if, as you say, this is heaven or eternity future

1. why is there still sin
2. why is God still punishing people?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The temple destroyed in 70AD was totally destroyed. Not one stone left.

yep, which means the wailing was is not part of the temple and the Temple Mount is not where they think it is

thank you

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Au contraire...they HAVE INDEED found the exact location of the Solomonic temple. And destroyed the Wailing Wall hoax. Of course the timing is perfect.....for Israel to build a prophesied Great Tribulation Temple. This Israel did not exist for 2000 years. You would think it was a MIRACLE that it should be reformed in 1948. It WAS a miracle of fulfilled prophecy see link below.

http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html

You would think the reforming of Israel in 1948 (and retaking of Jerusalem in 1967) would silence the amillennialists and preterists once and for all. But no..... for these folks no evidence is sufficient to abandon their heresies. Despite their protestations God will indeed redeem his people Israel yet future.....in a Millennial Kingdom where Israel will eat the fat and drink the milk of the gentile nations who survive the tribulation Judgments.

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.

There is no au contraire about it.........everyone knows where the temple is and where the fort was. no big deal Callling the wailing wall a hoax is a dog whistle to Jews.....not nice. Let them have their wall any way they want, it hurts no one.

I would think that even the idea of building a THIRD temple would be laughed out of the forums but apparently Barnum was right.
Ezekiel is about the rebuilding the 2nd temple.

I'll stick with history and my Amill position. I look for Christ not some looney-tune future trib with a super villian called 'antichrist. Is that Mr. Antichrist or should we just call him Mr Invisible.

The history of reforming Israel goes back to before WW2. Jews always lived there, at one time the city was divided into quarters for each of the religions found there. At the signing of the Belfour Declaration in 1917 the return to Zion finally acknowledged the Jews desire to return and they had been buying land for years before that.

 

[cv5]

Nope! God is not a liar.
Your understanding of what God Said is thrown off.
If you notice there is no directive to build this Temple that Ezekiel is observing.
And then if you notice at the very end of Ezekiel the name of that City will be the Lord is there. This is not some man-made Temple that will be defiled by an antichrist. Read the context of everything that is written there.

Ezekiel's temple Is the glorious Millennial temple. It is gigantic......1 mile on the side square. It is FAR too large for the existing topography and the Bible is very clear that God is going to lift up a mountain upon which the new millennial temple will be built. This will happen during the great tribulation upheavals.

THIS IS NOT THE TEMPLE OF DANIEL CH9 AND MATT 24!

This 70th week Tribulation temple will be defiled the millennial temple will never be defiled.

 

[Truth7t7]

The commentary in the video has contradictions, and circular logic. The video is wrong. Stop following what ever supports the false understanding of prophecy that has been circulated since the late 19 century.

The video is built upon a self proclaimed archeologist, Bob Cornuke, did you expect truth?

Wikipedia: Bob Cornuke (born 1951[citation needed]) is an American writer and president of the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration Institute (BASE), which is operated from his home in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[1] He describes himself as a Biblical archaeologist, but has no degree or training in archaeology.[1]

 

[Truth7t7]

Ok explain this

Zech 14, Isreal,is restored, jesus is ruling in the temple. the people are once a year supposed to come to jerusalem and the temple and worship Jesus

whoever does not, this happens.

Zechariah 14:17
And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

if, as you say, this is heaven or eternity future

1. why is there still sin
2. why is God still punishing people?

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[cv5]

There is no au contraire about it.........everyone knows where the temple is and where the fort was. no big deal Callling the wailing wall a hoax is a dog whistle to Jews.....not nice. Let them have their wall any way they want, it hurts no one.

I would think that even the idea of building a THIRD temple would be laughed out of the forums but apparently Barnum was right.
Ezekiel is about the rebuilding the 2nd temple.

I'll stick with history and my Amill position. I look for Christ not some looney-tune future trib with a super villian called 'antichrist. Is that Mr. Antichrist or should we just call him Mr Invisible.

The history of reforming Israel goes back to before WW2. Jews always lived there, at one time the city was divided into quarters for each of the religions found there. At the signing of the Belfour Declaration in 1917 the return to Zion finally acknowledged the Jews desire to return and they had been buying land for years before that.

Mocking Scripture are we? Mocking the Temple are we? Mocking prophecy are we? Mocking Israel are we?

When you cannot mock the absolute FACTS of the latest archaeological findings and the findings are perfectly clear the temple of Solomon is in the city of David making a third temple eminently feasible. And the wailing wall is the western wall of the 36 acre Antonia fortress. And Israel was reconstituted as a nation in 1948, and Jews from all over the world have been repatriated into the brand-new country. All of which is prophesied.

My former pastor was amill. A hopeless clueless idiot who couldn't exegete Scripture if his life depended on it. An apostate who is doing his best to create a bunch of other apostates and heretics. A satanic snake in the grass who has his portion with the woman who rides the beast of Rev 17. Doomed damned blind, who was provided the truth by me (many times) and rejected it.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Ok explain this

Zech 14, Isreal,is restored, jesus is ruling in the temple. the people are once a year supposed to come to jerusalem and the temple and worship Jesus

whoever does not, this happens.

Zechariah 14:17
And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

if, as you say, this is heaven or eternity future

1. why is there still sin
2. why is God still punishing people?

This is before the new heaven and new earth.
Notice the difference in the narrative in each case.
There is no case made here for a man built temple in either passage.

It may be that Zechariah is speak of what we refer to as the millennial reign. I will have to study up and see.

 

[cv5]

The video is built upon a self proclaimed archeologist, Bob Cornuke, did you expect truth?

Wikipedia: Bob Cornuke (born 1951[citation needed]) is an American writer and president of the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration Institute (BASE), which is operated from his home in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[1] He describes himself as a Biblical archaeologist, but has no degree or training in archaeology.[1]

Is that the best you can do? Deride the work of a passionate Christian? The chief archaeologist doing the digs is not a Christian he is a secular Israeli. Fully degreed fully credentialed.

By the way that video is absolutely superb, factual and brings to the fore the fact of the third temple being built. Third temple being built.......It's gonna happen. And when it happens you and the rest of the amills in the preterists are going to be in absolute shock. I doubt very much that anyone will ever repent you're just going to as usual deny the truth. Look the other way. Call it a coincidence. Think of it as a passing fad.

What it actually is is fulfillment of prophecy. Certain. Inevitable. And loved by those who truly love the Lord.

 

[Truth7t7]

That's is the Millennial temple. Earthly.......physical. But the most glorious of all the earthly temples because Christ will abide there. Christ himself will build it (Zech 6:11-13).

https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...d-topics/the-predicted-millennial-temple.html

Israel will build a Great Tribulation Temple before that one is built. This is of course temporary and it all likelihood will be destroyed in the great earthquake which occurs toward the end of the GT. Really the only purpose it provides is to fulfill prophecy by being defiled.

"That which is to be anointed is not a person, but a future Temple, the Millennial Temple:
Nowhere in Holy Writ is קֹדֶשׁ קָדָשִׁים [qōḏeš qāḏāšîm] (“a most holy”) applied to the Church or to a person. . . Each of the 39 occurrences of קֹדֶשׁ קָדָשִׁים [qōḏeš qāḏāšîm] pertains to the Tabernacle, Temple (specifically the Holy of Holies), or the things of the Temple. . . A reasonable deduction from that fact is “a most holy” is the Temple. The allusion is not likely to be the Holy of Holies proper because that term almost always has the article with it."

We Will Strongly Disagree

Your looking at exactly the same place in both Ezekiels account and John's, the (Eternal New Jerusalem)

Same River, Same Tree Of Life, Same Fruit, Same Leaves For Healing/Medicine

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[cv5]

There is no au contraire about it.........everyone knows where the temple is and where the fort was. no big deal Callling the wailing wall a hoax is a dog whistle to Jews.....not nice. Let them have their wall any way they want, it hurts no one.

I would think that even the idea of building a THIRD temple would be laughed out of the forums but apparently Barnum was right.
Ezekiel is about the rebuilding the 2nd temple.

I'll stick with history and my Amill position. I look for Christ not some looney-tune future trib with a super villian called 'antichrist. Is that Mr. Antichrist or should we just call him Mr Invisible.

The history of reforming Israel goes back to before WW2. Jews always lived there, at one time the city was divided into quarters for each of the religions found there. At the signing of the Belfour Declaration in 1917 the return to Zion finally acknowledged the Jews desire to return and they had been buying land for years before that.

So you say you are looking for Christ? Then lay out your eschatology for us to see. If indeed you have any.

 

[cv5]

We Will Strongly Disagree

Your looking at exactly the same place in both Ezekiels account and John's, the (Eternal New Jerusalem)

Same River, Same Tree Of Life, Same Fruit, Same Leaves For Healing/Medicine

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

No. After the final war of the millennium there will be a new heavens and new earth. The millennial temple of Ezekiel will be gone.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

There is no au contraire about it.........everyone knows where the temple is and where the fort was. no big deal Callling the wailing wall a hoax is a dog whistle to Jews.....not nice. Let them have their wall any way they want, it hurts no one.

I would think that even the idea of building a THIRD temple would be laughed out of the forums but apparently Barnum was right.
Ezekiel is about the rebuilding the 2nd temple.

I'll stick with history and my Amill position. I look for Christ not some looney-tune future trib with a super villian called 'antichrist. Is that Mr. Antichrist or should we just call him Mr Invisible.

The history of reforming Israel goes back to before WW2. Jews always lived there, at one time the city was divided into quarters for each of the religions found there. At the signing of the Belfour Declaration in 1917 the return to Zion finally acknowledged the Jews desire to return and they had been buying land for years before that.

Interesting understanding.
Admittedly, I'm not an escatology guy, but I know that the time of sacrifices is over, and I know that we don't have the ability to make a temple issue a river out from it, that will desalinate the sea, and we don't have any fruit trees that produce monthly.

What this sounds like to me is a deception. That people will decide on a location and build a temple and start sacrificing and many people who call themselves Christian will go there and sacrifice animals and inturn blaspheme Jesus. It will in no way be Ezekiel's temple, and in no way be sanctified by God. Just another deception to derail would be Christians.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

So you say you are looking for Christ? Then lay out your eschatology for us to see. If indeed you have any.

Lay out YOUR scripture........I already told you Ezekiel is about the 2nd temple.
My eschatology (as everyone who has talked to me in the last month knows that I am AMILL........and happy to be so.
While you premills are looking for a great trib, we are looking for Christ in the rapture. Maranatha!!

To begin with you would have to understand that Revelation was written before 65AD. Are you that far advanced?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is before the new heaven and new earth.
Notice the difference in the narrative in each case.
There is no case made here for a man built temple in either passage.

It may be that Zechariah is speak of what we refer to as the millennial reign. I will have to study up and see.

I agree it is the millenium

but the temple is their, it’s called the lords house

In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the Lord’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, [j]every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the Lord of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

 

[cv5]

Interesting understanding.
Admittedly, I'm not an escatology guy, but I know that the time of sacrifices is over, and I know that we don't have the ability to make a temple issue a river out from it, that will desalinate the sea, and we don't have any fruit trees that produce monthly.

What this sounds like to me is a deception. That people will decide on a location and build a temple and start sacrificing and many people who call themselves Christian will go there and sacrifice animals and inturn blaspheme Jesus. It will in no way be Ezekiel's temple, and in no way be sanctified by God. Just another deception to derail would be Christians.

You just don't get it. The Lord Jesus Christ is going to rule over his people Israel on earth and his miraculous power is going to do all these things. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself will be present when the millennial temple is being built.

 

[cv5]

Lay out YOUR scripture........I already told you Ezekiel is about the 2nd temple.
My eschatology (as everyone who has talked to me in the last month knows that I am AMILL........and happy to be so.
While you premills are looking for a great trib, we are looking for Christ in the rapture. Maranatha!!

To begin with you would have to understand that Revelation was written before 65AD. Are you that far advanced?

Ridiculous. The Millennial temple itself is one mile long X one mile wide and is far too large to fit the present topography. No way Ezekiel is talking about building a 2nd temple. Furthermore the size of the "holy ground" area is 50 miles X 50 miles..........absolutely immense.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Ridiculous. The Millennial temple itself is one mile long X one mile wide and is far too large to fit the present topography. No way Ezekiel is talking about building a 2nd temple. Furthermore the size of the "holy ground" area is 50 miles X 50 miles..........absolutely immense.

ROFL where did you get those figures?