How many here have honestly walked away from God at some point?

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Blain

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You are such a BABY. Calling in your little snit to back you up.
I have never seen such childish, nasty behavior in any forum ever.
Congratulations you just hit a new low. You both go on ignore for ignorance.
I didn't call for help unless you haven't noticed I have no issue going against you however I am reporting you for calling her that
 

saintrose

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Have you considered what it means to live? To have life more abundantly in Jesus?

...that they "may" have life and life more abundantly. The word "may" means to me that the option is there but it's still a choice.

It's John 10:10 and I don't have a version nearby that I like to quote exactly.


Do you think what the people living in sin or intentionally working iniquity have is life? I don't. It feels like decay and torment. I don't want to speak as though I have authority on what it's like for them but do you want the long life that God seems to allow them? Is that even life to you?

It's not life to me and it's making me a tad emotional (to my surprise) to see it this way but that doesn't look like long life to me. If anything, I at least know that the fullness of life is only found in him and when I stray I'm just surviving. The enemy has a well...form of life but it's like sodden decay.

Like, I could turn to him and have that...but, uh, why? That's not what I want and that's not life...that's death. Physically you are alive but spiritually you undergo decay and rot. What makes that look like the Lord isn't remaining true to what he said?

I feel like I have experienced this to an extent I'm not willing to speak about now.


To be sure, I also feel like the literal interpretation needs to be given its place as well. Many years of being physically alive doesn't imply a "full life with all the blessings and beauty of the Lord meted out unto old age".
I know for a fact I've had blessings that I've missed because I chose decay and my own way. Are there no blessings left? I don't think so and I don't feel so...but you do reap what you sow for God is not mocked (though that last part of the verse I'm still learning).

If a wicked person lives to be 120, does that make God a liar? Or are we just not understanding what abundant life is?

Something to consider...it's the first time I've seen it this way in this particular fashion and may be he is literal or it's a blend or this is just something for me to work through as truth or lie but does a rich person imply God's favor? Does that imply that they are living? Does evil triumph imply he loves them and it is "going well with them"?

It usually seems much clearer when talking to someone else about, In the watches of the night things are a bit "dicier" but you know, I have felt it smart to redeem the time when I have it available. It's been impressed on me in my heart. To store it up because there could be a storm coming that very night or the next day.

Hopefully some of this will speak to you, it's hard to put it into words because I have to wrestle against my fleshly desires (namely human justice according to "my" understanding and prosperity aeording to "my" understanding of righteousness usually in the physical) so I'll end but with a......
I see your point - even though they're alive the life they're living isn't good. But you don't know what they're feeling. A friend of mine was married to a man who cheated on her constantly, and he also hit her. Her doctor told her she'd better get away from him because her nerves were shot from dealing with him. She remarried a really kind man. He wound up getting cancer and dying and the first husband lived and she just couldn't understand that. Those are the types of things that just don't seem right and God PUT justice into our hearts. "Evil men don't care about justice but the righteous do..."
 

TabinRivCA

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You are such a BABY. Calling in your little snit to back you up.
I have never seen such childish, nasty behavior in any forum ever.
Congratulations you just hit a new low. You both go on ignore for ignorance.
You called @Blain at least 4 names so you are...........REPORTED!!!! As if Blain would do such a thing as what you accused him of, very disgusting. I'm at liberty to use my own mind, fyi.
 

Blain

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I see your point - even though they're alive the life they're living isn't good. But you don't know what they're feeling. A friend of mine was married to a man who cheated on her constantly, and he also hit her. Her doctor told her she'd better get away from him because her nerves were shot from dealing with him. She remarried a really kind man. He wound up getting cancer and dying and the first husband lived and she just couldn't understand that. Those are the types of things that just don't seem right and God PUT justice into our hearts. "Evil men don't care about justice but the righteous do..."
Oh Rose that is awful is your friend doing any better? I know how hard it is and how unfair life can be that is what I jokingly call the genre of my life because trust me I know from experience how cruel and unfair and painful life can be if you ever need to talk or just need an ear to listen don't hesitate to message me ok?
 

saintrose

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In this year in particular I and many others have been under severe spiritual attacks the likes of which I have never faced before but there is an old saying if you are being attacked by the enemy you must be doing something right
I heard that saying too.

You noticed increased attacks too? I've wondered about that - it seems like the antichrist is really stepping up his attacks - we must be close to something.
 

Blain

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I heard that saying too.

You noticed increased attacks too? I've wondered about that - it seems like the antichrist is really stepping up his attacks - we must be close to something.
Yeah not just me either I know many other spirit filled believers who have been going through this as well and yes you are correct we are very close to something coming that is why he wants to break us.
 

saintrose

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You are such a BABY. Calling in your little snit to back you up.
I have never seen such childish, nasty behavior in any forum ever.
Congratulations you just hit a new low. You both go on ignore for ignorance.
It's on every forum. Worthy forum was the worst I was ever on. After I left someone told me it's run by two men who are living in sin. So that explained a lot of the exceedingly sinful behavior on there in the people who run it. I met a man on another forum who came from there who said he was going to start a support group for people harmed by sinful "Christians" on that forum. It's on every one to a greater or lesser degree.
 

saintrose

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Oh Rose that is awful is your friend doing any better? I know how hard it is and how unfair life can be that is what I jokingly call the genre of my life because trust me I know from experience how cruel and unfair and painful life can be if you ever need to talk or just need an ear to listen don't hesitate to message me ok?
She had a hard time for years as a widow. She would call me all the time and it helped her through. She passed away, so her troubles are over.

Thank you for the kind invitation. It does help to bounce off of others.
 

SoulWeaver

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I just don't know what to do with all the deep questions about seeming injustice. Do you just set them aside? Block them out when questions arise in your heart?
No. I don't think anyone can do it, not for long. I go to God with it. Pray, press on, until I get some response. I don't always get response right away. Sometimes I don't get an answer for a very long time. Sometimes, there's no answer for a number of years. But eventually, things will get clear, and when they do, I wonder in hindsight how I didn't realize it sooner and regret losing my peace and stressing out because of momentary confusion. But I'm doing better now when it happens. It's a process of learning. Remember the story when disciples were in a ship and were scared of the storm. Hold peace in the storm because there's always going to be waves.
 

Blain

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It's on every forum. Worthy forum was the worst I was ever on. After I left someone told me it's run by two men who are living in sin. So that explained a lot of the exceedingly sinful behavior on there in the people who run it. I met a man on another forum who came from there who said he was going to start a support group for people harmed by sinful "Christians" on that forum. It's on every one to a greater or lesser degree.
I think I was at that forum for a little bit about six years ago but I didn't stay long
 

GraceAndTruth

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It's on every forum. Worthy forum was the worst I was ever on. After I left someone told me it's run by two men who are living in sin. So that explained a lot of the exceedingly sinful behavior on there in the people who run it. I met a man on another forum who came from there who said he was going to start a support group for people harmed by sinful "Christians" on that forum. It's on every one to a greater or lesser degree.
Interesting. Hard to know about people sometimes......I tend to judge their motives by mine (which are to enjoy a good debate and some friendly chat. oh well.
 

Blain

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She had a hard time for years as a widow. She would call me all the time and it helped her through. She passed away, so her troubles are over.

Thank you for the kind invitation. It does help to bounce off of others.
I am so sorry to hear this losing a loved one is one of the hardest things in this life it's a pain unlike any other. But no worries I am always happy to help we can't carry our burdens by ourselves or they will crush us it almost happened to me several times this year
 

saintrose

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Yeah not just me either I know many other spirit filled believers who have been going through this as well and yes you are correct we are very close to something coming that is why he wants to break us.
I've felt an uneasiness in my spirit. I know something is coming. I talked to another believer who said the same thing. It feels as if we've been on the cusp of something yet it just won't happen. It will at some point. But I have really dealt with the attacks. Now it's coming through a child. It's just one thing after another. I pray all through the day although sometimes I get angry at God...but go back and plug along. I know Scripture says to endure hardness as a good soldier but I told God I need a break.
 

Blain

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No. I don't think anyone can do it, not for long. I go to God with it. Pray, press on, until I get some response. I don't always get response right away. Sometimes I don't get an answer for a very long time. Sometimes, there's no answer for a number of years. But eventually, things will get clear, and when they do, I wonder in hindsight how I didn't realize it sooner and regret losing my peace and stressing out because of momentary confusion. But I'm doing better now when it happens. It's a process of learning. Remember the story when disciples were in a ship and were scared of the storm. Hold peace in the storm because there's always going to be waves.
Yes exactly when I was in these storms of heavy attacks no prayers I prayed helped no scriptures helped and was in tears in my bed praying for a merciful death but eventually I just gave up and clung to Jesus I couldn't carry the cross and this was when I realized this wasn't a cross for me to carry
 

laymen

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I've been a believer for 40 years and am weary of dealing with sinful people - God allowing evil to go unpunished. Nothing makes sense. I just wonder how many here are honest enough to admit when God just didn't make any sense? I had a very judgmental "Christian" friend who was just like Job's friends; I don't wish things on anyone but wonder just how many judgmental "Christians" can stand up under the fire if it was THEY who were the one tested like Job. I've come to see that a number of people I had thought were true Christians really weren't. I came to learn about the 501c churches and how many pastors sell their soul for money. Some of the worst people I've known were other 'Christians.'

Even the apostle Paul said that they had despaired of life. Is anyone honest enough to admit that they reached that point? I've really come to see how many dishonest 'Christians' there are.

A Christian lawyer I know was big in his church and his son was a drug dealer in town. That lawyer sent OTHERS kids to jail yet his son got off - daddy was a lawyer and uncle a judge - very well-connected people. He made a killing representing all the teens who got into trouble from drugs - that his son sold them and while his son made money selling them. They're both well-off now. The son is now a lawyer after wrecking lives. I had their firm do something corrupt and when I reported it no one from the prosecutors office would hold the corrupt lawyer and corrupt probate lawyer accountable. I prayed - a lot but God didn't show me that they paid for their crimes. I just can't understand God. All the people with criminal records does NOT TELL THE TRUTH BECAUSE THE WORST CRIMES ARE COMMITTED BY LAWYERS, JUDGES, POLICE, AND THOSE IN GOVERNMENT. Not all - there are some good people but I just see how everything is a big fat lie.

I was reading an organizations page last night and their bylaws are that no one with a criminal record can join. I don't have a criminal record but know a lot of teens in town who do who are much better people than the liars who used their connections to walk free. I just saw how a big fat lie it all is. So that organization will accept someone as long as they don't have a record - but they could be morally the worst out of anyone. Just because they look good on paper.

Unless no one follows alternative news they don't know the truth. At least once a week a cop is caught sexually molesting young kids and they usually walk away with a slap on the wrist. I knew about a young girl who was brutally raped by young men and they all got off because the boys grandfather was the chief of police. Where was God?

I talked to an attorney who was a staunch believer until he represented priest sex abuse cases and had to listen to really sick stuff. He walked away from his faith.

We tend to brush the things aside that God doesn't do but whoever really squarely faces the evil that happens and God does nothing about it? For years I was able to make excuses, and sweep aside the things I didn't understand but there comes a time in your walk when you have to not look away. You have to look squarely at the promises in Scripture and ask yourself why they aren't coming to pass.

I wonder if anyone has really faced these things and come out the other side and how they were able to reconcile it all.
I believe Sin has to be full grown before it can be judged. We have not seen the worst I fear. Satan like the sin in our heart does not bring forth death until it is full grown. So until then.
 

Blain

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I've felt an uneasiness in my spirit. I know something is coming. I talked to another believer who said the same thing. It feels as if we've been on the cusp of something yet it just won't happen. It will at some point. But I have really dealt with the attacks. Now it's coming through a child. It's just one thing after another. I pray all through the day although sometimes I get angry at God...but go back and plug along. I know Scripture says to endure hardness as a good soldier but I told God I need a break.
Yeah I know that uneasiness in the spirit I have felt it as well I keep waiting for something but it's like it never happens and yet it feels so dangerously close, the enemy will use anything to attack us and it is easy to be affected by it which is why I often times come on cc and listen to Christian music or read his word or just spend my time in solitude soaking in his presence

The storm eventually passes when I do this and I know more are to come but at least now I know that I was not meant to carry this cross alone learn from my mistake I learned this a little late in the season
 

saintrose

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Interesting. Hard to know about people sometimes......I tend to judge their motives by mine (which are to enjoy a good debate and some friendly chat. oh well.
I enjoy a good debate too. Iron sharpens iron. It's when it goes beyond that, is when it gets toxic.

I was on another forum and as soon as I would post a new thread this one guy would attack me. On a "Christian" forum. I ran it by my husband - I told him some of the things he would say and my husband said he sounds like he has something wrong with him. His attacks got so bad that it made me feel unsafe and I told him that. I finally told him he had to stop or I was going to contact our local prosecutor to see about pressing charges. It stopped him but then he started up again, but then I think he knew that I meant business and he stopped. I got fed up dealing with him and a few others and I took a sabbatical. One woman on there gave me the creeps. She would say really odd things -- I just had a bad feeling about her. I do think that people who are evil sometimes go to Christian forums to harass them.

A few were really diehard Trump fans and I saw through him - he was bailed out by Rockefeller's - he's the ultimate insider. Yet he was able to short-circuit Christians' discernment and they bought into the phony script being put out by the elite. I talked to others who saw through him. That's what made me like Chuck Baldwin - he sees through the lies.

I don't want to upset any Trump fans on here. I think everyone has differing levels of discernment. One guy I was friends with completely cut me off because he learned that I didn't support Trump. It just shocked me that someone would let that end a friendship. I think what it is, is that most Christians are upset and fed up with the way America has gone and they're grasping for hope, and they see Trump as a kind of savior. But that's what the elite do: they chose the right man to install as President. I think he placated most Christians because he threw them a few bones while largely moving America into the North American Union. I'm very afraid of the slave-state that is planned. I had hoped to wake people up to the deception but denial runs very deep.
 

saintrose

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I am so sorry to hear this losing a loved one is one of the hardest things in this life it's a pain unlike any other. But no worries I am always happy to help we can't carry our burdens by ourselves or they will crush us it almost happened to me several times this year
Yes this life isn't easy and it does help when burdens are shared.
 

saintrose

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I believe Sin has to be full grown before it can be judged. We have not seen the worst I fear. Satan like the sin in our heart does not bring forth death until it is full grown. So until then.
Not sure what you mean? You believe things here are going to get worse?