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#42
Yes, I expect that is what he is talking about. But the RC is a church to itself, not part of "Christendom". And the Bible makes no mistake about it, those who harm children will suffer awful retribution for it.
No. That is not what I am talking about. I believe it is just your opinion that Roman Catholic Church is not part of Christendom.
 

Magenta

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#43
Magenta, what about the atrocities happening in Christendom today? I do not think your assertion about Islam is right considering that our Christendom does not fare better.
Our book does not tell us to kill our enemies. Their's does. Big difference, regardless of how Christian adherents behave.

If you have never compared Mohammed to Jesus, I suggest you do so.

Mohammed was an illiterate, adulterous, war mongering pedophile. That is who Islam idolizes and follows.
 
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kaylagrl

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#44
No. That is not what I am talking about. I believe it is just your opinion that Roman Catholic Church is not part of Christendom.

The RC's consider themselves the universal church, anyone outside them is not saved. They do not consider themselves part of anything other body. That is their opinion, not mine.
 

Magenta

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#46

Jesus
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7)

Muhammad
Stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)

Jesus
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

Muhammad
"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

Jesus
"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

Muhammad
Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

Jesus
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

Muhammad
Takyya = Permitted lying, especially for the sake of the spread of Islam.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

Jesus
Neither owned nor traded slaves.

Muhammad
Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

Jesus
Beheaded no one. Even healed the Roman centurion whose ear
Peter cut off when they arrested Jesus prior to His crucifixion.


Muhammad
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390)

Jesus
Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

Muhammad
Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

Jesus
"If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

Muhammad
"If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194)

Jesus
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

Muhammad
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)
In fact, murdering others while self immolating is their only assurance of salvation

Jesus
Was celibate.

Muhammad
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)
Mohammed was a serial rapist.

Jesus
Did not have sex with children.

Muhammad
Had sexual intercourse with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

Jesus
Never harmed a woman.

Muhammad
Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

Jesus
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)

Muhammad
"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
(Quran 9:123)

Jesus
Ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence.

Muhammad
Ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )

Jesus
Never took captives. Never killed anyone.

Muhammad
Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)

Jesus
"The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)

Muhammad
Demanded captured slaves and a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Quran 8:41)

Jesus
Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

Muhammad
Was never tortured, but tortured others.

Jesus
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

Muhammad
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)

Jesus
Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)

Muhammad
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)

Jesus
Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)

Muhammad
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)

Jesus
What are the Greatest Commandments? "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)

Muhammad
What are the Greatest Commandments? "Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)

Jesus
Chastised anyone attempting to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)

Muhammad
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Quran 4:102)

Jesus
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

Muhammad
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)

Jesus
Demanded nothing for himself. Lived and died without possessions.

Muhammad
Died fat and wealthy from what was taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.

Jesus
Was crucified himself.

Muhammad
Advocated crucifying others.
(Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

Jesus gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)

Mahammed had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)







 
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#47
Our book does not tell us to kill our enemies. Their's does. Big difference, regardless of how Christian adherents behave.

If you have never compared Mohammed to Jesus, I suggest you do so.

Mohammed was an illiterate, adulterous, war mongering pedophile. That is who Islam idolizes and follows.
To the Muslim world, the bible comprises the old and the new testaments. In the old testament, there are instances where wars were fought and enemies killed at the behest of the God Almighty. Our understanding of the Scripture is different from their understanding but that is what they believe because it is written in the bible.

I am not comparing Mohammed to Jesus neither do I have the intention of comparing Islam to Christianity. My believe is that, as Peter stated in Acts of the Apostles, in every nation, he that fears God and walks righteously is accepted with Him.
 
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#48
Jesus
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." (John 8:7)


Muhammad
Stoned women for adultery. (Muslim 4206)


Jesus
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)


Muhammad
"I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)


Jesus
"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)


Muhammad
Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)


Jesus
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)


Muhammad
Takyya = Permitted lying, especially for the sake of the spread of Islam.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)


Jesus
Neither owned nor traded slaves.


Muhammad
Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)


Jesus
Beheaded no one. Even healed the Roman centurion whose ear
Peter cut off when they arrested Jesus prior to His crucifixion.


Muhammad
Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390)


Jesus
Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)


Muhammad
Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)


Jesus
"If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)


Muhammad
"If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194)


Jesus
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)


Muhammad
Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)
In fact, murdering others while self immolating is their only assurance of salvation


Jesus
Was celibate.


Muhammad
Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)
Mohammed was a serial rapist.


Jesus
Did not have sex with children.


Muhammad
Had sexual intercourse with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)


Jesus
Never harmed a woman.


Muhammad
Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)


Jesus
"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)


Muhammad
"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
(Quran 9:123)


Jesus
Ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence.


Muhammad
Ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )


Jesus
Never took captives. Never killed anyone.


Muhammad
Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)


Jesus
"The Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)


Muhammad
Demanded captured slaves and a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Quran 8:41)


Jesus
Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.


Muhammad
Was never tortured, but tortured others.


Jesus
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)


Muhammad
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)


Jesus
Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)


Muhammad
Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)


Jesus
Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)


Muhammad
Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)


Jesus
What are the Greatest Commandments? "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)


Muhammad
What are the Greatest Commandments? "Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)


Jesus
Chastised anyone attempting to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)


Muhammad
Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Quran 4:102)


Jesus
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)


Muhammad
"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)


Jesus
Demanded nothing for himself. Lived and died without possessions.


Muhammad
Died fat and wealthy from what was taken from others in war or demanded from others in tribute.


Jesus
Was crucified himself.


Muhammad
Advocated crucifying others.
(Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)


Jesus gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)


Mahammed had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)
To the Muslim world, the bible comprises the old and the new testaments. In the old testament, there are instances where wars were fought and enemies killed at the behest of the God Almighty. Our understanding of the Scripture is different from their understanding but that is what they believe because it is written in the bible.

I am not comparing Mohammed to Jesus neither do I have the intention of comparing Islam to Christianity. My believe is that, as Peter stated in Acts of the Apostles, in every nation, he that fears God and walks righteously is accepted with Him.
 

shittim

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#50
First, thank you for stating why you disagreed with my post.

Yes I know Islam as a religion does not believe in the fatherhood of God, the Trinity and Incarnation but that does not mean we do not serve the same God.

You may be wrong about their edicts because I know they preach and teach all those things you mentioned. However, teaching and practicing or embracing them as virtues to be lived in daily life are two different things. Same in Christendom. The bible tells us what God requires from us and most of us end up believing and doing the opposite.

I believe, as Peter said in Acts 10:35, that in every nation, he that fears God and walks righteously is accepted with Him.

Jesus was very clear we are to be in relationship with Him, personal, vital, ongoing relationship with Him.
Most "Christian" churches talk about the Creator and the Trinity, yet don't talk with Him and to Him, this is the "outward form of godliness denying the power thereof"" He spoke of in His final instructions to His own, He also taught that His Own would do greater works than these" meaning His own works here, we are seeing them now, those who are born again, Holy Spirit filled and walking in personal, vital, relationship.
I recently was directed to a muslim couple, Holy Spirit manifested through me as He does to the point the bride stepped away a few feet, I explained I carry the Holy Spirit of the living G-d and He manifests through me.
This was outside their experience and His way of reaching them.
There will be no excuses when we stand before the Father on that judgement day for each of us.
There is ONE way, ONE truth, and One life, no other way to heaven than through Jesus.
Jesus doesn't guide anyone to destroy, maim, beat, torture, etc. the fruit of knowing Him and walking with him is in Galatians 5, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self control.
 

shittim

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#51
We have local RC "priests" who is perplexed that He can fell Holy spirit manifest through me who is not a member of the RC club.
 
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kaylagrl

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#53
Are you saying Christians do not murder, kill, rape fornicate, indulge in human trafficking, adultery etc etc. What the op said is not peculiar to Islam alone. Man's inhumanity to man cuts across borders and religions unfortunately, christianity inclusive.


Yes, I'm saying exactly that! Christians don't murder, 10 Commandments ring a bell. They don't rape, fornicate, adultery etc.etc. No, they don't. If you're a Christian you follow the Word and ALL of that is forbidden. The Muslim religion is not like Christianity in the least. It is a violent, anti-Christ, and demonic "religious system". The good news is many are having dreams of a man named Jesus Christ and are coming out of that terrible bondage.
 
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kaylagrl

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#54
First, thank you for stating why you disagreed with my post.

Yes I know Islam as a religion does not believe in the fatherhood of God, the Trinity and Incarnation but that does not mean we do not serve the same God.
We do not serve the same God! Not even close. And if you don't have a better understanding than that you need to be saved.



I believe, as Peter said in Acts 10:35, that in every nation, he that fears God and walks righteously is accepted with Him.
You have twisted this verse utterly out of context. That is talking about the ministry to the Gentiles. Muslims do not believe in God they believe in allah, a false deity.
 
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#55
I hear you, but it is not a new concept. God will protect those in covenant with Him. Always. That is His promise to us.
GOD was also with DANIEL WHEN THE JEWS WAS taken and put in captivity, But he still had to suffer being put in captivity, and his freedom being took from him, and seeing all of his people killed, GOD people SUFFER BECAUSE OF SIN IN THIS WORLD ALSO,THE diseases, sicknesses, HUNGRE, DEFORM CHILDREN, WE are suffering more then most people think, THE PEACE THAT GOD PUTS IN HIS CHILDRENS HARTS IS WHAT HELPS US A LOT. GOD BLESS AS GOD SEES GOOD FOR YOU ALL, SINCERELY William
 
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#56
GOD was also with DANIEL WHEN THE JEWS WAS taken and put in captivity, But he still had to suffer being put in captivity, and his freedom being took from him, and seeing all of his people killed, GOD people SUFFER BECAUSE OF SIN IN THIS WORLD ALSO,THE diseases, sicknesses, HUNGRE, DEFORM CHILDREN, WE are suffering more then most people think, THE PEACE THAT GOD PUTS IN HIS CHILDRENS HARTS IS WHAT HELPS US A LOT. GOD BLESS AS GOD SEES GOOD FOR YOU ALL, SINCERELY William
But God did protect him because he kept the covenant?

Psalm 91 teach us that 10 000 will fall around you but God will protect you.
 
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#58
We have local RC "priests" who is perplexed that He can fell Holy spirit manifest through me who is not a member of the RC club.
Wow! this is news to me. hearing it for the first time. Though I do not know how the Holy Spirit used you, I am aware that the Pentecostals are more into performance of Miracles than the RC. These acts of miracles are prevalent and are seen every now and then on cable news etc. Why should the Priests be surprised?
 
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#60
Yes, I'm saying exactly that! Christians don't murder, 10 Commandments ring a bell. They don't rape, fornicate, adultery etc.etc. No, they don't. If you're a Christian you follow the Word and ALL of that is forbidden. The Muslim religion is not like Christianity in the least. It is a violent, anti-Christ, and demonic "religious system". The good news is many are having dreams of a man named Jesus Christ and are coming out of that terrible bondage.
Oh! kaylagrl. Let's be honest and put sentiments apart.