Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

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Truth7t7

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"Do you believe in a future Millennium, where Jesus Christ returns to earth, and takes a throne of David in Jerusalem, amongst moral humans?"

After the great tribulation, the false Messiah, and the not-Ezekiel-40-temple:

Revelation 20 (ESV)


2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while. 4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.


Ezekiel 37 (ESV)


24 "My servant David shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall walk in my rules and be careful to obey my statutes. 25 They shall dwell in the land that I gave to my servant Jacob, where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children shall dwell there forever, and David my servant shall be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I am the Lord who sanctifies Israel, when my sanctuary is in their midst forevermore."


Ezekiel 38 (ESV)


2 "Son of man, set your face toward Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him 3 and say, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 And I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great host, all of them with buckler and shield, wielding swords.
You believe Ezekiel 40-46 represents a future temple in a Millennium on earth?

It appears they have animal sacrifice for sin?

How could that be, Jesus Christ died and shed his blood for the world?

Romans 6:10KJV
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Ezekiel 40:38-39KJV
38 And the chambers and the entries thereof were by the posts of the gates, where they washed the burnt offering.
39 And in the porch of the gate were two tables on this side, and two tables on that side, to slay thereon the burnt offering and the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Ezekiel 43:18-19KJV
18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
 

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You believe Ezekiel 40-46 represents a future temple in a Millennium on earth?

It appears they have animal sacrifice for sin?

How could that be, Jesus Christ died and shed his blood for the world?

Romans 6:10KJV
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Ezekiel 40:38-39KJV
38 And the chambers and the entries thereof were by the posts of the gates, where they washed the burnt offering.
39 And in the porch of the gate were two tables on this side, and two tables on that side, to slay thereon the burnt offering and the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Ezekiel 43:18-19KJV
18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
Animal sacrifices has never, and will never atone for sin of humans like-for-like. The act of sacrificing the animal, points to Christ Yeshua's sacrificial offering of atonement of sins, as determined before even the foundation of the world. As Abraham was tested whether he would sacrifice his son Isaac, as God would his Son Christ Yeshua, being part of God's covenant with Abraham, God provided the sacrificial lamb for Abraham, as He would provide the sacrificial Lamb for Abraham.

 

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Animal sacrifices has never, and will never atone for sin of humans like-for-like. The act of sacrificing the animal, points to Christ Yeshua's sacrificial offering of atonement of sins, as determined before even the foundation of the world. As Abraham was tested whether he would sacrifice his son Isaac, as God would his Son Christ Yeshua, being part of God's covenant with Abraham, God provided the sacrificial lamb for Abraham, as He would provide the sacrificial Lamb for Abraham.

You believe Isaiah 11:6-9 is this Millennial Kingdom where animal sacrifice takes place, its below?

(They Shall Not Hurt Nor Destroy)?

In your Temple they are hurting and killing animals in the Holy Mount Zion?

Isaiah 11:6-9KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Ezekiel 40:38-39KJV
38 And the chambers and the entries thereof were by the posts of the gates, where they washed the burnt offering.
39 And in the porch of the gate were two tables on this side, and two tables on that side, to slay thereon the burnt offering and the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Ezekiel 43:18-19KJV
18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.

Ezekiel 43:25KJV
25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
 

Truth7t7

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Animal sacrifices has never, and will never atone for sin of humans like-for-like. The act of sacrificing the animal, points to Christ Yeshua's sacrificial offering of atonement of sins, as determined before even the foundation of the world. As Abraham was tested whether he would sacrifice his son Isaac, as God would his Son Christ Yeshua, being part of God's covenant with Abraham, God provided the sacrificial lamb for Abraham, as He would provide the sacrificial Lamb for Abraham.

Ben in your Millennial Kingdom on earth, will Jews be running the sacrifice in the temple, or the church?
 

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When that Eastern sky splits, and Jesus descends in a cloud of glory with the Saints who have gone on before to gather up to Him the Church........... there will ONLY BELIEVERS. No Jews, no Gentiles, male/female/bond/free. That is just the way it is.

The most important verse from that Chapter of Galatians is verse 28. It resolves many, many disputations people of varying ideologies have about Scripture.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

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Animal sacrifices has never, and will never atone for sin of humans like-for-like. The act of sacrificing the animal, points to Christ Yeshua's sacrificial offering of atonement of sins, as determined before even the foundation of the world. As Abraham was tested whether he would sacrifice his son Isaac, as God would his Son Christ Yeshua, being part of God's covenant with Abraham, God provided the sacrificial lamb for Abraham, as He would provide the sacrificial Lamb for Abraham.

Animal sacrifices were for the forgiveness of sin but it did not clear them. Read through Leviticus. Only the shed blood of Jesus can take away sin. When those OT saints made sacrifices, they were not looking forward to the cross. They were simply doing what God had commanded them to do.
 
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We will disagree,the scripture is self explanatory,Israel the Church,children of the promised seed
"Israel the Church" - a concept never stated nor alluded to. Acts 7:38 uses the word "Church", which is "Ekklesia" in the Greek. It means; "the gathering of the called, or select ones". Ekklesia is used to show an assembling of a democratically elected Gentile government THREE times in Acts 19:32-41. Ekklesia is also overwhelmingly used to show the Church - "the assembly of God's called ones". So this once mention in Acts 7:38 of Israel as a wilderness Assembly does not connect them to the Church. Rather, from the days of our Lord's ministry on earth, Israel OPPOSED the Church. Those born of the flesh will always fight those born of the Spirit (Gal.4:29).

"children of the Promised seed" - a concept or statement never alluded to in the whole Bible.

... or have I missed something?
 

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Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed.


There are (Two) Israel's seen below.

1. Ethnic Israel Of The Flesh

2. Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed.

Gods word clearly states below, the children of the flesh (Ethnic Jews) they are not the children of God

Gods words below are very clear, and easy to understand.

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I don't know why you try to make everything so difficult.....
Simple facts are that the two Israels of the new covenant are the nation of Israel and the elect of Israel (born again by God) and grafted together with elect born again Gentiles to be THE church.

Of course, you will get a lot of flack on this topic ..... the ill-informed call it "replacement theology".
Nothing new about that, they are generally misinformed, period.
 

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You believe Isaiah 11:6-9 is this Millennial Kingdom where animal sacrifice takes place, its below?

(They Shall Not Hurt Nor Destroy)?

In your Temple they are hurting and killing animals in the Holy Mount Zion?

Isaiah 11:6-9KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Ezekiel 40:38-39KJV
38 And the chambers and the entries thereof were by the posts of the gates, where they washed the burnt offering.
39 And in the porch of the gate were two tables on this side, and two tables on that side, to slay thereon the burnt offering and the sin offering and the trespass offering.

Ezekiel 43:18-19KJV
18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.

Ezekiel 43:25KJV
25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.

You're scripture quoted are referring to two different periods in future.

Isaiah 11:6-9 you refer to corresponds to the period of the new heaven and earth of Revelations 21. This follows Revelations 20's battle of Gog and Magog, which followed the thousand years of Christ Yeshua's reign on earth (corresponding to the period of Ezekiel 37 - 48) before the new heaven and earth of Revelations 21.


Revelation 20 (ESV)


7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.


Revelation 21 (ESV)

1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, "Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed— 22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, 25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. 26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. 27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 

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When that Eastern sky splits, and Jesus descends in a cloud of glory with the Saints who have gone on before to gather up to Him the Church........... there will ONLY BELIEVERS. No Jews, no Gentiles, male/female/bond/free. That is just the way it is.

The most important verse from that Chapter of Galatians is verse 28. It resolves many, many disputations people of varying ideologies have about Scripture.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Greeks coming to assemble as part of God's people, as part of God's assembly of covenant people Israel, becomes Israel. Ephraim as part of Israel, was scattered among the Greeks, and they return to Israel from the Greeks, as Christ Yeshua gathers all God's children into one.


John 11 (ESV)


47 So the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered the council and said, "What are we to do? For this man performs many signs. 48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation." 49 But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, "You know nothing at all. 50 Nor do you understand that it is better for you that one man should die for the people, not that the whole nation should perish." 51 He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad. 53 So from that day on they made plans to put him to death. 54 Jesus therefore no longer walked openly among the Jews, but went from there to the region near the wilderness, to a town called Ephraim, and there he stayed with the disciples.


Micah 2 (ESV)


12 I will surely assemble all of you, O Jacob; I will gather the remnant of Israel; I will set them together like sheep in a fold, like a flock in its pasture, a noisy multitude of men.
 

BenjaminN

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You believe Ezekiel 40-46 represents a future temple in a Millennium on earth?
Are you saying you believe that the battle of Gog and Magog on this earth of Revelations 20, following the 1000 year reign of Christ on this earth of Revelations 20, can instead happen on the new earth (accompanying the new heaven) as described in Revelations 21 & 22?


Revelation 21 (ESV)


1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.


Revelation 22
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3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.
 

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Only the saved, those that have died in faith, of all the nations will walk in New Jerusalem.

Do you believe in a future Millennium, where Jesus Christ returns to earth, and takes a throne of David in Jerusalem, amongst moral humans?

Revelation 21:24KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
A more correct way of stating this is that those who died who were forgiven of their sins through Christ will walk in New Jerusalem. Even demons know and have faith, but they keep their sin.
 

Blik

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Animal sacrifices has never, and will never atone for sin of humans like-for-like. The act of sacrificing the animal, points to Christ Yeshua's sacrificial offering of atonement of sins, as determined before even the foundation of the world. As Abraham was tested whether he would sacrifice his son Isaac, as God would his Son Christ Yeshua, being part of God's covenant with Abraham, God provided the sacrificial lamb for Abraham, as He would provide the sacrificial Lamb for Abraham.

If the sacrifice of animals was not used for atonement of sin, it was hated by the Lord. It is the same with the sacrifice our Lord made for us, that sacrifice is to be for the forgiveness of our sin. Just knowing that Jesus did that for us is not enough, we need to repent of our sin and allow Christ to pay for it.

Accepting Jesus into our life is not a matter of knowing doctrine, it is a matter of living with the lord within. We cannot have Christ within and keep a will to sin within at the same time. Christ is sin free, Christ cannot live with sin, He forgives it.
 

Truth7t7

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You're scripture quoted are referring to two different periods in future.

Isaiah 11:6-9 you refer to corresponds to the period of the new heaven and earth of Revelations 21. This follows Revelations 20's battle of Gog and Magog, which followed the thousand years of Christ Yeshua's reign on earth (corresponding to the period of Ezekiel 37 - 48) before the new heaven and earth of Revelations 21.


Revelation 20 (ESV)


7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.


Revelation 21 (ESV)

1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, "Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed— 22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, 25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. 26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. 27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Looking closely at Isaiah 11 I agree, it sorta does look like the New Heaven and earth

Getting back to Ezekiel 43 below

As is clearly seen below, God is giving instruction on the shedding of blood for sin offerings, the temple seen in Ezekiel Chapter 43 isnt future as you claim, it was pre cross of Calvary, when blood sacrifice sin took place.

It appears the temple seen is the 2nd Zerubabbel temple built in 536BC, and destroyed by the Roman's in 70AD

Ezekiel 43:19-26KJV
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
23 When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.
24 And thou shalt offer them before the Lord, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the Lord.
25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
26 Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
 

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Are you saying you believe that the battle of Gog and Magog on this earth of Revelations 20, following the 1000 year reign of Christ on this earth of Revelations 20, can instead happen on the new earth (accompanying the new heaven) as described in Revelations 21 & 22?


Revelation 21 (ESV)


1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.


Revelation 22
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3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.
The battle seen in Revelation Chapters 9-19-20 are the same event in parallel teachings, this battle will take place at the end of the 3.5 year tribulation, just prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ, when he dissolves this earth by his fire.
 

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A more correct way of stating this is that those who died who were forgiven of their sins through Christ will walk in New Jerusalem. Even demons know and have faith, but they keep their sin.
Would that include the Old Testament Believers that died in faith?
 

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If the sacrifice of animals was not used for atonement of sin, it was hated by the Lord. It is the same with the sacrifice our Lord made for us, that sacrifice is to be for the forgiveness of our sin. Just knowing that Jesus did that for us is not enough, we need to repent of our sin and allow Christ to pay for it.

Accepting Jesus into our life is not a matter of knowing doctrine, it is a matter of living with the lord within. We cannot have Christ within and keep a will to sin within at the same time. Christ is sin free, Christ cannot live with sin, He forgives it.

Matthew 7
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20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'


Matthew 25 (ESV)


32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' 40 And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' 41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' 44 Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?' 45 Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
 

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The battle seen in Revelation Chapters 9-19-20 are the same event in parallel teachings, this battle will take place at the end of the 3.5 year tribulation, just prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ, when he dissolves this earth by his fire.
Are you saying contrary to scripture, that the battle against God and Magog happens not under Christ Yeshua's rulership on earth?:


Revelation 20 (ESV)


4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
 

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Would that include the Old Testament Believers that died in faith?
Matthew 27:52-53 tells us that when the curtain split when Christ was crucified the saints woke from their sleep and walked the streets of Jerusalem.
 

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Are you saying contrary to scripture, that the battle against God and Magog happens not under Christ Yeshua's rulership on earth?:


Revelation 20 (ESV)


4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
There won't be a future Millennial Kingdom upon this earth at the return of Jesus Christ, it will be dissolved by fire, (Gone)

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

2 Peter 3:10-11KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,