The Law of God - who is it meant for and why?

[throughfaith]

The law began at Sinai when God made a covenant with the nation of Israel (Ex. 24:8; Deut. 29:1) and ended when Christ finished His redemptive work on the cross. “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ” (Jn. 1:17).

The New Testament gives specific statements that the law ended with Christ. “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace” (Rom. 6:14). “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster” (Gal. 3:24-25). Paul often uses the word katarge?, meaning to put away or abolish in describing the ending of the law: “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances” (Eph. 2:15; see also 2 Cor. 3:7, 11, 14, “done away;” 3:13, “abolished”).

 

[JaumeJ]

That's assuming its what Jesus teaches. Clearly the law is now inoperative . Jesus was still upholding the law whilst he lived . That is what was foretold . His life was not the fulfillment. The law was fulfilled upon his death . So heaven and earth would have had to have passed before he fulfilled. Heaven and earth did not pass therfore it WAS fulfilled at his death . He's speaking to jews telling them that his ministry at that time ( his life , his teachings ect) was not to abolish the law . But he was going to fulfil it at the cross. This what Galations, Romans ,Hebrews ect is telling us . The law was to drive ISRAEL to faith. Gentiles were never UNDER the law .

You need to read all of what Jesus teaches with no perversions of what He has said, not while in the flesh, and not when speaking to Joh on Patmos, after His resurrection and ascension.

No one who has read and studied the New testament in prayer with meditation can be in agreement with your twisted revision of what Jesus-Yeshua teaches all.

 

[throughfaith]

You need to read all of what Jesus teaches with no perversions of what He has said, not while in the flesh, and not when speaking to Joh on Patmos, after His resurrection and ascension.

No one who has read and studied the New testament in prayer with meditation can be in agreement with your twisted revision of what Jesus-Yeshua teaches all.

All you've done there is attack me and not what I'm saying which is unfortunate. Should I take that as you don't have any scriptural reasons to argue against what I just said ?

 

[throughfaith]

You need to read all of what Jesus teaches with no perversions of what He has said, not while in the flesh, and not when speaking to Joh on Patmos, after His resurrection and ascension.

No one who has read and studied the New testament in prayer with meditation can be in agreement with your twisted revision of what Jesus-Yeshua teaches all.

For Christ is the end [telos] of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth” (Rom. 10:4).

 

[throughfaith]

Those who have believed on Christ since the Day of Pentecost (and until the rapture of the church) have been baptized by the Holy Spirit into the new body, the church. This new body is being formed by the regeneration of the Spirit which includes Spirit baptism (1 Cor. 12:13) into the body of Christ. It is a Spirit circumcision of our old life (Phil. 3:3; Col. 2:11) rather than a physical circumcision of the Mosaic law. This new body (the very Bride of Christ) lives in a heavenly presence before God because, in this spiritual salvation, Jesus Christ has brought us through the veil of His flesh into the very presence of God (Heb. 10:1-25), and we are seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6).

The believer in this age, therefore, is not under the law of Moses (a law for an entirely different age) but is under the law of Christ (Gal. 6:2). The believer now has the Holy Spirit living in him and therefore this law of Christ can be called “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 8:2). As God has given us the law of Christ (the “New” Testament), we live by it in the power of the Spirit to fulfill that law which is a fulfillment of all righteousness (Rom. 8:4). This is seen specifically in our love for the brethren, “for love is the fulfilling of the law” (Rom. 13:10).

 

[JaumeJ]

For Christ is the end [telos] of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth” (Rom. 10:4).

Wilol you demonstrate what you have quoted as supporting your unusual views with the Words from Jesus-Yeshua, all of the words from Him?

 

[BenjaminN]

Lol 😆 your too much man ..come on which denomination are you from ,if you don't mind answering ? have you read Galations that tells us about the fulfilment of the law ?

Christ Yeshua -ism, that's my denominator.

 

[BenjaminN]

That's assuming its what Jesus teaches. Clearly the law is now inoperative . Jesus was still upholding the law whilst he lived . That is what was foretold . His life was not the fulfillment. The law was fulfilled upon his death . So heaven and earth would have had to have passed before he fulfilled. Heaven and earth did not pass therfore it WAS fulfilled at his death . He's speaking to jews telling them that his ministry at that time ( his life , his teachings ect) was not to abolish the law . But he was going to fulfil it at the cross. This what Galations, Romans ,Hebrews ect is telling us . The law was to drive ISRAEL to faith. Gentiles were never UNDER the law .

If our names are written, before the foundation of the world, in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain, our works are judged by the law, and we are set free by the blood of the Lamb, knowing the full price he has paid, for our iniquities.

2 Peter 3 (ESV)

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.


Matthew 5 (KJV

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 20 (KJV)

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[BenjaminN]

That's assuming its what Jesus teaches. Clearly the law is now inoperative . Jesus was still upholding the law whilst he lived . That is what was foretold . His life was not the fulfillment. The law was fulfilled upon his death . So heaven and earth would have had to have passed before he fulfilled. Heaven and earth did not pass therfore it WAS fulfilled at his death . He's speaking to jews telling them that his ministry at that time ( his life , his teachings ect) was not to abolish the law . But he was going to fulfil it at the cross. This what Galations, Romans ,Hebrews ect is telling us . The law was to drive ISRAEL to faith. Gentiles were never UNDER the law .

Faith establish the law in us. Faith does not make us lawless.


Romans 3 (ESV)

31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.


Romans 3 (KJV)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[throughfaith]

Romans 3 (KJV)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

In what way do we establish the law ? do we revive its operative principle ,undo what Jesus did on the cross and place Jews back under its obligations?

 

[throughfaith]

If our names are written, before the foundation of the world, in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain, our works are judged by the law, and we are set free by the blood of the Lamb, knowing the full price he has paid, for our iniquities.

2 Peter 3 (ESV)

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.


Matthew 5 (KJV

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 20 (KJV)

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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For Christ is the end [telos] of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth” (Rom. 10:4).

 

[throughfaith]

If our names are written, before the foundation of the world, in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain, our works are judged by the law, and we are set free by the blood of the Lamb, knowing the full price he has paid, for our iniquities.

2 Peter 3 (ESV)

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.


Matthew 5 (KJV

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Revelation 20 (KJV)

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

its like Proof text bingo lol . No connection and no context?

 

[throughfaith]

Faith establish the law in us. Faith does not make us lawless.


Romans 3 (ESV)

31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.


Romans 3 (KJV)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

No Jew is obligated to keep the mosaic law today. it cannot sanctify.

 

[BenjaminN]

Those who have believed on Christ since the Day of Pentecost (and until the rapture of the church) have been baptized by the Holy Spirit into the new body, the church. This new body is being formed by the regeneration of the Spirit which includes Spirit baptism (1 Cor. 12:13) into the body of Christ. It is a Spirit circumcision of our old life (Phil. 3:3; Col. 2:11) rather than a physical circumcision of the Mosaic law. This new body (the very Bride of Christ) lives in a heavenly presence before God because, in this spiritual salvation, Jesus Christ has brought us through the veil of His flesh into the very presence of God (Heb. 10:1-25), and we are seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6).

The believer in this age, therefore, is not under the law of Moses (a law for an entirely different age) but is under the law of Christ (Gal. 6:2). The believer now has the Holy Spirit living in him and therefore this law of Christ can be called “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 8:2). As God has given us the law of Christ (the “New” Testament), we live by it in the power of the Spirit to fulfill that law which is a fulfillment of all righteousness (Rom. 8:4). This is seen specifically in our love for the brethren, “for love is the fulfilling of the law” (Rom. 13:10).

Paul did not teach lawlessness. Paul taught salvation by grace, through faith, that leads to good works within God's law, prepared beforehand by God. Peter however in his time already, warned about the lawless people that twists Paul's words to their own liking.

So if not following God's will, his commandments, his law, what is does the church do, so that God can know their works which He has prepared, following the faith he gifted them with, with their salvation by grace, through the Holy Spirit?:


2 Thessalonians 2 (ESV)

3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.


Revelation 2 (ESV)

1"To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: 'The words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 "'I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. 3 I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name's sake, and you have not grown weary. 4 But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. 6 Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'


2 Peter 3 (ESV)

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

 

[BenjaminN]

In what way do we establish the law ? do we revive its operative principle ,undo what Jesus did on the cross and place Jews back under its obligations?

The good works God prepared for our saved lives, cannot be contrary to God's will, his commandments, his will.

No the law is no road to salvation, we can not uphold it on our own behalf. We do not justify ourselves by the law, because we are saved by God's grace, through his gift of faith, we work the good lawful works prepared beforehand by God for our lives.


Ephesians 2 (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

[JaumeJ]

For all who believe Jesus-Yeshua, the law by faith is established in our inwar4d parts on our hearts.

In other words, we learn the law is correct and just in accordance with tthe teaching of the Master. We are no longer guilty of sin, but we are in position in our relation with God to be counted as without sin because Messiah dwells within.

You will never learn this from the written text unless it is revealed to you by His Holy Spirit. YOu may copy and paste the entire Bible, but without the Holy Spirit, it is to no avail.

It is better one word with understanding than many quotes without.

 

[throughfaith]

Faith establish the law in us. Faith does not make us lawless.


Romans 3 (ESV)

31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.


Romans 3 (KJV)

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

No Jew is obligated to keep the mosaic law today. it cannot sanctify.

Paul did not teach lawlessness. Paul taught salvation by grace, through faith, that leads to good works within God's law, prepared beforehand by God. Peter however in his time already, warned about the lawless people that twists Paul's words to their own liking.

So if not following God's will, his commandments, his law, what is does the church do, so that God can know their works which He has prepared, following the faith he gifted them with, with their salvation by grace, through the Holy Spirit?:


2 Thessalonians 2 (ESV)

3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.


Revelation 2 (ESV)

1"To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: 'The words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 "'I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. 3 I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name's sake, and you have not grown weary. 4 But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. 6 Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'


2 Peter 3 (ESV)

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

lawlessness has nothing to do with the mosaic law .
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For Christ is the end [telos] of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth” (Rom. 10:4).
2 peter 3 KJV
17¶Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

 

[throughfaith]

For all who believe Jesus-Yeshua, the law by faith is established in our inwar4d parts on our hearts.

In other words, we learn the law is correct and just in accordance with tthe teaching of the Master. We are no longer guilty of sin, but we are in position in our relation with God to be counted as without sin because Messiah dwells within.

You will never learn this from the written text unless it is revealed to you by His Holy Spirit. YOu may copy and paste the entire Bible, but without the Holy Spirit, it is to no avail.

It is better one word with understanding than many quotes without.

Verses please ??

 

[throughfaith]

Paul did not teach lawlessness. Paul taught salvation by grace, through faith, that leads to good works within God's law, prepared beforehand by God. Peter however in his time already, warned about the lawless people that twists Paul's words to their own liking.

So if not following God's will, his commandments, his law, what is does the church do, so that God can know their works which He has prepared, following the faith he gifted them with, with their salvation by grace, through the Holy Spirit?:


2 Thessalonians 2 (ESV)

3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.


Revelation 2 (ESV)

1"To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: 'The words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 "'I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. 3 I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name's sake, and you have not grown weary. 4 But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. 5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. 6 Yet this you have: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. 7 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'


2 Peter 3 (ESV)

15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

People always twist Paul into teaching lawlessness. He is attacked over and over for this . Galatians and Romans 6

 

[BenjaminN]

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For Christ is the end [telos] of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth” (Rom. 10:4).

Again, we do not uphold the law to be saved. Because we are saved by God's grace, through his gifted faith, God prepared good works, not contrary to his will, his commandments, his law, for our lives. When we sin under God's law, we repent in sanctification, because we are saved.

How can there be sin, if there is no law, the law is God's will, his commandments, God's will can not perish or change. There is still law, but God's faith-gifted ones' condemnation under the law has been removed by the blood sacrifice of Christ Yeshua.


1 John 1 (ESV)

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Ephesians 2 (ESV)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.