Can we be forgiven for sins we won't repent of?
- Thread starter Blik
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Matthew
7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. JESUS is tell us here that there is going to be few saved, MAY GOD HELP US ALL, BUT it NOT GOD'S falt , it is because they want repent of their sins, YESUAH MADE A way for them, but they love their sins more then they love GOD, And won't give them UP,
7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. JESUS is tell us here that there is going to be few saved, MAY GOD HELP US ALL, BUT it NOT GOD'S falt , it is because they want repent of their sins, YESUAH MADE A way for them, but they love their sins more then they love GOD, And won't give them UP,
The two gates mentioned in Matt 7 are both entered into by regenerated children of God. The wide gate are entered into by those of God's children that are teaching and preaching a false doctrine. The destruction is the lack of knowledge of the gospel that Jesus taught. The straight gate is entered into, with much studying, searching, and by the revelation of the Holy Ghost to understand and preach the gospel that Jesus taught.
This harmonizes with Esk 10 of a wheel within a wheel. The larger wheel being the invisible church, (the wide gate), and the inner wheel being the visible church (the straight gate)
Your misunderstanding of these scriptures is probably where you get the idea that there are a lot more going to hell than heaven. My understanding of the harmony of the scriptures is that there will be far more in heaven than hell.
This harmonizes with Esk 10 of a wheel within a wheel. The larger wheel being the invisible church, (the wide gate), and the inner wheel being the visible church (the straight gate)
Your misunderstanding of these scriptures is probably where you get the idea that there are a lot more going to hell than heaven. My understanding of the harmony of the scriptures is that there will be far more in heaven than hell.
REVELATION 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
THIS IS WHEN ALL THE LOST IS Resurrected, Notice THAT THEY COME UP ON THE breadth of the earth, HOW would you like to try to count the sand the sea.
20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
THIS IS WHEN ALL THE LOST IS Resurrected, Notice THAT THEY COME UP ON THE breadth of the earth, HOW would you like to try to count the sand the sea.
We can't pick out A verse and say this the way that it is, if what we believe does not line up with all the scriptures , THEN WE are looking at it WRONG, If we read a verse and get something out of it, then we read another verse, and it says something else, then our doctrine is wrong, BIBLE is correct all the way through,
Scripture tells us that many will not be known by the Lord, even some who call to Him. The path is diverse and wide that leads to destruction, we are told many take that path.
When we knock, God will answer but we need to knock with a contrite and humble spirit.
The narrow way does not allow for varying ideas. It is a way of obedience.
Those who have fellowship with the Lord are obedient to the Lord. God is holy and cannot fellowship with darkness, if you live in darkness you are cut off from the Lord being able to hear you.
Matthew 7: 21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
God is Holy, God can not have fellowship with darkness. If we don't let Christ wash our sins away with repentance so we are also holy through Christ, God cannot have fellowship with us.
When we knock, God will answer but we need to knock with a contrite and humble spirit.
The narrow way does not allow for varying ideas. It is a way of obedience.
Those who have fellowship with the Lord are obedient to the Lord. God is holy and cannot fellowship with darkness, if you live in darkness you are cut off from the Lord being able to hear you.
Matthew 7: 21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
God is Holy, God can not have fellowship with darkness. If we don't let Christ wash our sins away with repentance so we are also holy through Christ, God cannot have fellowship with us.
A study of the sins that the old testament sacrificial system gave forgiveness for is a shadow of the sins Christ forgives us for. They were to ask forgiveness for the sins they weren't aware of committing. It was a matter of repentance and wanting to live in the sin free state Christ offers for us, our sins are forgotten, all our sins.
I am in agreement with your whole post, in that, these scriptures are instructions to God's regenerated children.
I think that you might be looking at Matt 7:21 in a different way than I. The kingdom of heaven is one of many titles that the visible church is called. Others are; The kingdom of God, the new Jerusalem, the church of Christ, Zion, the church in the wilderness, The remnant, the few, the little flock, the church that is set upon a hill, and more.
There will be some of God's regenerated children that will not be accepted into the membership of the church, because of church discipline, but they will be accepted into eternal heaven.
Doing the will of the Father is a work, and will cause you to be a member of the church, but works is not the cause that gets you into eternal heaven.
I think that you might be looking at Matt 7:21 in a different way than I. The kingdom of heaven is one of many titles that the visible church is called. Others are; The kingdom of God, the new Jerusalem, the church of Christ, Zion, the church in the wilderness, The remnant, the few, the little flock, the church that is set upon a hill, and more.
There will be some of God's regenerated children that will not be accepted into the membership of the church, because of church discipline, but they will be accepted into eternal heaven.
Doing the will of the Father is a work, and will cause you to be a member of the church, but works is not the cause that gets you into eternal heaven.
If GOD let the Christians in HEAVEN that will sin willfully, THEN HE Should let Satan back in to,
But he says that he is GOING TO BRING Satan to ASHES, AND those that keep willfully sinning to, AS this verse tells US !!!
HEBREWS 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
But he says that he is GOING TO BRING Satan to ASHES, AND those that keep willfully sinning to, AS this verse tells US !!!
HEBREWS 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Only regenerated people have fellowship with God. Only regenerated children repent of breaking a spiritual law. The unregenerate natural man will not repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness. When a regenerated person commits a sin, they lose their fellowship with God, temporary, until they repent, but do not lose their eternal inheritance.
THEN you don't believed this verse and a lot of the others.
10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
JAMES 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
YES you can lose it. if we resist repentance again, then we will be lost just like this verse says
10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
JAMES 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
YES you can lose it. if we resist repentance again, then we will be lost just like this verse says
The only sacrifice for sins was Jesus's sacrifice, for the sins of those that his Father gave him, that was offered to God for God's acceptance, and not to man for man's acceptance, so there is no more sacrifice for sins. After a regenerated person has received the knowledge of the truth, and sins wilfully (the regenerated man makes the decision to sin) he will face the chastening (judgement) of God until he repents.
My belief is that God let David into heaven (adultery, lying, and murder) after he repented.
My belief is that God let David into heaven (adultery, lying, and murder) after he repented.
The adversaries is sins. God's chastening devours=consumes the sins.
I think that I have explained James 5:19-20 before, but it might have been to someone else. When you see your brother sin and you convert (turn him from that sin) you will save=deliver that soul from his non fellowship with God. This has no reference to eternal deliverance. Only God gives eternal deliverance, not man.
I think that I have explained James 5:19-20 before, but it might have been to someone else. When you see your brother sin and you convert (turn him from that sin) you will save=deliver that soul from his non fellowship with God. This has no reference to eternal deliverance. Only God gives eternal deliverance, not man.