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Whatever sinful lifestyle a person is practicing in their life, God has not given them grace to do so nor to live in that manner or commend others that do. It must be put away because Christ suffered death and put all sin away through the shedding of His blood on the cross. God does not give grace to any man to make a provision for the flesh in any of its desires, lusts, affections or appetites (Rom 13:14, Col 3:5, Gal 5:24). For any man, who is practicing and engaged in the sin of same sex relationships, is going against the nature of God who created the woman for the man (Gen 2:22-25, 1Cor 11:8,9). If that order is violated in any way it goes against the nature of God's creation and becomes an abomination which God gives them over to (Lev 20:13, Rom 1:24-32).
If it continues without being checked or put away they will be given over to a reprobate mind. When this happens they have become disapproved by God and have no capacity to receive grace and truth to be delivered from this terrible bondage. The reprobated mind has completely rejected God and rebelled in every area and against every attempt that God has made through conviction. This kind of lifestyle is very grievous because it go against that which is natural through creation and into inordinate affections to be fulfilled unnaturally by same sex relationships.
Do I hear the footsteps of LBG and EG?
If it continues without being checked or put away they will be given over to a reprobate mind. When this happens they have become disapproved by God and have no capacity to receive grace and truth to be delivered from this terrible bondage. The reprobated mind has completely rejected God and rebelled in every area and against every attempt that God has made through conviction. This kind of lifestyle is very grievous because it go against that which is natural through creation and into inordinate affections to be fulfilled unnaturally by same sex relationships.
Do I hear the footsteps of LBG and EG?
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Laylie: The homosexuals can never be safe. They are bound for hell. Is that a safe place? No!! It is a torturous, hateful, terrifying place....anything BUT safe. Their souls are at stake and WE, believers in and followers OF Jesus are commissioned by Him to bring understanding and truth to those that do not know Him...and to those who THINK they do but are proving otherwise by their sinful behavior...by their choosing to go against what God has put in His word to do and NOT to do.
GOD says that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION. It is as simple as that! And do not buy in the media hype that anyone is born homosexual. They are not. God does not create abominations. Science has proven that the genes CHANGE over time through repeated deviant behavior.
Maggie
Maggie
GOD says that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION. It is as simple as that! And do not buy in the media hype that anyone is born homosexual. They are not. God does not create abominations. Science has proven that the genes CHANGE over time through repeated deviant behavior.
Maggie
Maggie
Tatz,
I agree; what a PERIL it is to want to hear, "'Peace, peace,' when there IS no peace." I have a feeling that A LOT of these people are NOT Christians AT ALL, but rather, satanists or occultists under the GUISE of Christianity, attempting to subvert Judeo-Christian values (one of their stated goals). Why upset Judeo-Christian values? Because Judeo-Christian values are about the family unit -- which is the very thing the satanists/NWO desire to destroy. They desire to destroy EVERY FORM OF AUTHORITY that is not THEM, so that CHAOS and REBELLION reign supreme, so that the people will cry out for a "savior" -- and the "savior" they will provide is the anti-christ: this has already been determined.
"While there is day, we need to work -- the night comes, when no man may work."
Pickles,
Yes, it is; thank you.
LaylieCalmMind,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts; however, I would contend that there is MORE happening than "equality". In the name of "equality", our religious rights are being trampled. For instance, a Christian couple that owned a bed-and-breakfast refused to give a room to newly-wed couple, because they were homosexual, and this would violate their ethics: they were SUED, and fined. Is this equality? Where do you draw the line? It is actually unconstitutional; it is an infringement upon our First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
It is prohibiting the free exercise of our religion to fine us for practicing our religion.
I agree; what a PERIL it is to want to hear, "'Peace, peace,' when there IS no peace." I have a feeling that A LOT of these people are NOT Christians AT ALL, but rather, satanists or occultists under the GUISE of Christianity, attempting to subvert Judeo-Christian values (one of their stated goals). Why upset Judeo-Christian values? Because Judeo-Christian values are about the family unit -- which is the very thing the satanists/NWO desire to destroy. They desire to destroy EVERY FORM OF AUTHORITY that is not THEM, so that CHAOS and REBELLION reign supreme, so that the people will cry out for a "savior" -- and the "savior" they will provide is the anti-christ: this has already been determined.
"While there is day, we need to work -- the night comes, when no man may work."
Pickles,
Yes, it is; thank you.
LaylieCalmMind,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts; however, I would contend that there is MORE happening than "equality". In the name of "equality", our religious rights are being trampled. For instance, a Christian couple that owned a bed-and-breakfast refused to give a room to newly-wed couple, because they were homosexual, and this would violate their ethics: they were SUED, and fined. Is this equality? Where do you draw the line? It is actually unconstitutional; it is an infringement upon our First Amendment:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
It is prohibiting the free exercise of our religion to fine us for practicing our religion.
(Sorry for second posting; but this gives only five minutes for editing, and sometimes new ideas come to mind that I usually add to the post, after I post.)
LaylieCalmMind,
Another example is how the children in school are now being taught MANDATORY classes on homosexual history, homosexuality, etc.; in some schools, children are not called "girls and boys" because they don't want to impose a gender distinction on them, but rather give them the right to be what ever gender they "think" they are (a boy might think he is a girl, and therefore he is a girl -- and in some schools, the girls' and boys' locker and rest rooms are also subjected to this nonsense; i.e.: boys who think they're girls can use the girls' locker and rest room, and vice versa). This is INSANITY. The gay agenda is NOT about equal rights; it is about PUSHING what a MINORITY practice -- as consensual adults in the privacy of their own homes -- on the MAJORITY of society, which is resulting in the erosion of the rights of the MAJORITY.
This is NOT "equality"; it is an attempt to ERASE Christians and Christians' influence.
LaylieCalmMind,
Another example is how the children in school are now being taught MANDATORY classes on homosexual history, homosexuality, etc.; in some schools, children are not called "girls and boys" because they don't want to impose a gender distinction on them, but rather give them the right to be what ever gender they "think" they are (a boy might think he is a girl, and therefore he is a girl -- and in some schools, the girls' and boys' locker and rest rooms are also subjected to this nonsense; i.e.: boys who think they're girls can use the girls' locker and rest room, and vice versa). This is INSANITY. The gay agenda is NOT about equal rights; it is about PUSHING what a MINORITY practice -- as consensual adults in the privacy of their own homes -- on the MAJORITY of society, which is resulting in the erosion of the rights of the MAJORITY.
This is NOT "equality"; it is an attempt to ERASE Christians and Christians' influence.
Resurrection33,
It isn't that I am pointing a finger at homosexuals; I am simply saying that there is a RAMPANT deception SPREADING through the church that homosexuality is NOT a sin -- and they are using the Word of God (incorrectly) to try to justify themselves; and many are falling into that deception, to their own destruction (unless they repent). I hope you can discern the difference between the two.
Thanks,
MaggieMye,
Amen. We need to "speak now or forever hold our peace" -- as Dr. Brown has said -- or we will lose ALL our rights, and we will have to apologize to our children for letting this happen on our watch.
The reason we tell homosexuals that their lifestyle is not blessed by God is because we CARE and don't want them to be destroyed.
It isn't that I am pointing a finger at homosexuals; I am simply saying that there is a RAMPANT deception SPREADING through the church that homosexuality is NOT a sin -- and they are using the Word of God (incorrectly) to try to justify themselves; and many are falling into that deception, to their own destruction (unless they repent). I hope you can discern the difference between the two.
Thanks,
MaggieMye,
Amen. We need to "speak now or forever hold our peace" -- as Dr. Brown has said -- or we will lose ALL our rights, and we will have to apologize to our children for letting this happen on our watch.
The reason we tell homosexuals that their lifestyle is not blessed by God is because we CARE and don't want them to be destroyed.
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Those hotel owners were running a public business. They are not allowed to discriminate in the public sector. It was wrong according to Christianity to discriminate against them anyways, Jesus would have rebuked them, what are you complaining about? This is the same thing as if hotel owners wouldn't accept black guests, it's discrimination and when you're running a public business, you can't do that.
You can practice your religion, but you can't practice it to the point where you're infringing upon the rights of others. To put it simply, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.
A lot of this isn't true at all. There is no homosexuality class, but the children are taught about it as part of history, part of sexual education, where it is relevant. The point of school is to learn about the world, and whether you like it or not, there is homosexuality in the world, all they're doing is teaching kids the facts. Teaching children that homosexuals exist and in some cases influenced history is not any sort of oppression to Christians, it's just facts. As for the gender thing... This isn't true, they refer to the kids as boys and girls, and no boys are allowed in the girl's restrooms and such, where is your source for this? However there is a case of transgendered, in which a person seriously and wholeheartedly, even neurologically identifies as the opposite gender. In which case they can be referred to as a he or a she accordingly.
I still haven't seen any examples of the rights of Christians being violated. I only see that Christians are being made to not violate the rights of homosexuals... You consider it a right to treat them with inequality, and when that right to treat them that way is taken away from you, you feel violated...
Thanks for responding to me, I'm just here to offer a different point of view.
You can practice your religion, but you can't practice it to the point where you're infringing upon the rights of others. To put it simply, your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.
A lot of this isn't true at all. There is no homosexuality class, but the children are taught about it as part of history, part of sexual education, where it is relevant. The point of school is to learn about the world, and whether you like it or not, there is homosexuality in the world, all they're doing is teaching kids the facts. Teaching children that homosexuals exist and in some cases influenced history is not any sort of oppression to Christians, it's just facts. As for the gender thing... This isn't true, they refer to the kids as boys and girls, and no boys are allowed in the girl's restrooms and such, where is your source for this? However there is a case of transgendered, in which a person seriously and wholeheartedly, even neurologically identifies as the opposite gender. In which case they can be referred to as a he or a she accordingly.
I still haven't seen any examples of the rights of Christians being violated. I only see that Christians are being made to not violate the rights of homosexuals... You consider it a right to treat them with inequality, and when that right to treat them that way is taken away from you, you feel violated...
Thanks for responding to me, I'm just here to offer a different point of view.
LaylieCalmMind,
Neither gender-identity nor sexual preference is equivalent to skin color in Christianity -- God has never condemned a city to destruction for the color of the skin of its inhabitants; but for the acts which are detestable to Him. Homosexuality can be repented of; skin-color does not need to be repented of. There are MANY homosexuals that have renounced that lifestyle, and embraced Christ.
As a matter of fact, there are african-americans who are offended at the thought of homosexuality being "the new black".
As far as teaching CHILDREN about homosexuality -- tell me, when did you have your human growth and reproduction course (not that it was right for the school to teach it, anyways -- it should've been the parents doing it)? I had mine in sixth grade. Teaching CHILDREN about SEX is inappropriate; that is called "indoctrination" -- and anyone who reserves the right to disagree, who tries to pull their child out of school, there is an academic penalty. The government and the school know better than the parents? Who has the right to raise the child, now? To whom does the child belong? Who is the servant -- the government, or the citizen? The U.S. Government was made BY the people FOR the people; but things are changing from those foundations.
To compare a person who is warning another person of the judgment of God against their actions to a person "swinging a fist" displays a heart of unbelief -- you must really not believe that homosexuality is a sin at all.
The redefining of marriage is opening the floodgates to polyamorous marriages and incestuous marriages and relationships -- there are cases like these being fought over in court as we speak -- the lawyer for the two committing incest argues that "if homosexuals can get married, why can't two consenting adults also do this [incest] in the privacy of their own homes?" (paraphrase).
What's next? Marriage with animals?
The judgment of God is coming on all these things.
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
What the Bible says god did cannot have any weight in what the US government decides. Sorry but you're going to have to think of a different reason as to why it should be legal for public businesses to refuse service to people because they're homosexual. Also, the vast majority of gay people have not renounced their lifestyle, and even if they had, so what? Doesn't mean anything.
I have no opinion on "the new black" as it just seems like a trivial way to phrase something that means nothing. But I know that there are lots of Ugandan-African Christians who are so offended by the thought of homosexuals that they vote today on whether or not they should have a death penalty for all homosexuals, including the ones who are currently in prison for it. Yeah, Christianity is what's being violated...
Homosexuals exist, homosexuality exists, science has things to say about it, these are facts, the school is simply teaching the children facts. Sexual education is important, it's just another aspect of life that children need to know about, it's all factual. Children have a right to education, public schools give it to them.
Warning another person about what they believe god thinks about them? No, I was referring to people opening up public businesses and then refusing to serve homosexuals. That is discrimination.
You can't claim homosexuals have equality until they get married. There is a slew of legal and social benefits and treatment that comes with the institution of marriage. If you don't agree with gay marriage, just don't get one.
For someone who quoted the part of the US constitution saying... "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." You sure do a lot of religious justifications for how the government should deal with things. There is a separation of church and state, what the Bible says doesn't have weight over the US government. The US government is accountable to protect the freedom and liberty of all its people, not accountable to god.
What the Bible says god did cannot have any weight in what the US government decides. Sorry but you're going to have to think of a different reason as to why it should be legal for public businesses to refuse service to people because they're homosexual. Also, the vast majority of gay people have not renounced their lifestyle, and even if they had, so what? Doesn't mean anything.
I have no opinion on "the new black" as it just seems like a trivial way to phrase something that means nothing. But I know that there are lots of Ugandan-African Christians who are so offended by the thought of homosexuals that they vote today on whether or not they should have a death penalty for all homosexuals, including the ones who are currently in prison for it. Yeah, Christianity is what's being violated...
Homosexuals exist, homosexuality exists, science has things to say about it, these are facts, the school is simply teaching the children facts. Sexual education is important, it's just another aspect of life that children need to know about, it's all factual. Children have a right to education, public schools give it to them.
Warning another person about what they believe god thinks about them? No, I was referring to people opening up public businesses and then refusing to serve homosexuals. That is discrimination.
You can't claim homosexuals have equality until they get married. There is a slew of legal and social benefits and treatment that comes with the institution of marriage. If you don't agree with gay marriage, just don't get one.
For someone who quoted the part of the US constitution saying... "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." You sure do a lot of religious justifications for how the government should deal with things. There is a separation of church and state, what the Bible says doesn't have weight over the US government. The US government is accountable to protect the freedom and liberty of all its people, not accountable to god.
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Proverbs 6:16-19
16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
All sin is an abomination to the LORD. Anything that is not of faith is sin, faith is the substance of things hoped for, but hope that is seen is not hope at all.
No flesh and blood will enter into the kingdom of heaven. Do you hold as much contempt for a liar as well?
1 Samuel 18:1-3
1And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
2And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house. 3Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
Because it is the BELIEF of Christians that homosexuality is a wrong practice, and it is their RIGHT to practice their BELIEFS and keep a CLEAR CONSCIENCE. No homosexual is being murdered; nor is anyone ASKING for such a thing -- but a Christian cannot be forced to TAKE PART IN homosexuals' lifestyles by doing such things.
45.5 million Christians were martyred in the 20th century alone: yes, Christians were -- and are -- being violated.
As for the people in south africa desiring death for homosexuals, they cannot be Christians at all: Jesus would never do this, or instruct someone to do this.
Sexual education is for a person who is OF AGE; not children. Moreover, there was never a program to teach children heterosexuality; if they DID learn it, it is because it is part of humanity's foundations -- having grown up in a world where most people are heterosexual would've taught them that heterosexuality was normal, because we would've never gotten here if it weren't for heterosexuality! It is what is "natural" -- the male and female are uniquely biologically compatible.
This thread is specifically about how "so-called Christians" who are endeavoring to change the way Christians and society view the Word of God's judgment (for or against) homosexuality.
As far as "discriminating" against homosexuals, are not the rights of the Christians being trampled? Are not they being discriminated against? Even today, Chic-Fil-A is being discriminated against by other businesses because of its stance against homosexuality. I thought there was a law that said you cannot discriminate against people because of their religion. Muslims are allowed to spew hatred; but Christians cannot respectfully decline a homosexual person room.
Why call it "marriage" at all? Marriage is man and woman.
No; the government, however, cannot infringe on my right to religious freedom; and, once again, this thread is about people claiming to be Christian, but teaching that you can still be homosexual.
45.5 million Christians were martyred in the 20th century alone: yes, Christians were -- and are -- being violated.
As for the people in south africa desiring death for homosexuals, they cannot be Christians at all: Jesus would never do this, or instruct someone to do this.
Sexual education is for a person who is OF AGE; not children. Moreover, there was never a program to teach children heterosexuality; if they DID learn it, it is because it is part of humanity's foundations -- having grown up in a world where most people are heterosexual would've taught them that heterosexuality was normal, because we would've never gotten here if it weren't for heterosexuality! It is what is "natural" -- the male and female are uniquely biologically compatible.
This thread is specifically about how "so-called Christians" who are endeavoring to change the way Christians and society view the Word of God's judgment (for or against) homosexuality.
As far as "discriminating" against homosexuals, are not the rights of the Christians being trampled? Are not they being discriminated against? Even today, Chic-Fil-A is being discriminated against by other businesses because of its stance against homosexuality. I thought there was a law that said you cannot discriminate against people because of their religion. Muslims are allowed to spew hatred; but Christians cannot respectfully decline a homosexual person room.
Why call it "marriage" at all? Marriage is man and woman.
No; the government, however, cannot infringe on my right to religious freedom; and, once again, this thread is about people claiming to be Christian, but teaching that you can still be homosexual.
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Hello Im new to this chatroom and website but dont fall for what the world says or people are wiling to ignore what God said about sin.. Sin seperates us from him and its only Jesus Christ that makes us clean through His blood. I cant judge but willnot condone what homosexulaity is and what it is... SIN and please read what Romams 1: 18-32 and Jude then pray for the Holy Sprit to give you wisdom and truth and ALWAYS follow what thw Word says..
In His service
Scuba Steve
In His service
Scuba Steve
Forced to take part in homosexuals lifestyles? Really? Having a business that provides a service to people, and serving homosexual customers as well as heterosexuals, is being forced to take part in a gay lifestyle? What if you provide service to alcoholics, are you taking part in the alcoholic lifestyle? You're not making any logical sense.
You have a persecution complex. It's based on nothing. You don't know what it's like to face prejudice, hatred, disownment, or discrimination on the basis of your Christianity. The US is a nation that is majority Christian, someone who isn't a Christian couldn't possibly be elected president. You are not being persecuted.
They may not be Christians you agree with, but they're Christians. They preach and believe the Bible, they believe in and accept Christ as their savior, they're Christians, and sometimes Christians can do horrible things.
No one is taught to be homosexual or heterosexual, people are what they are, if they're attracted to the opposite sex then they'll be attracted to the opposite sex, and vice-versa for same sex. And it's hard to wait to give children sexual education these days, they start experimenting and trying it on their own, best to teach them about what dangers exist and how to avoid hurting themselves. And kids don't need to be taught to be heterosexual, 99% of the relationships they see everyday are heterosexual, they see the opposite sex kissing on TV, they see men and women as couples, sure they may see the same thing with same-sex couples but, it's very very rare in comparison. Not that any of this matters anyways.
You do not have a right to discriminate. That is not a right. You do however, have the same rights as everyone else, and you have even more privilege. Do you think that if Muslims running a public hotel rejected a couple for being Christian, that they wouldn't be sued? Because it's illegal for people to discriminate in that case as well. Christians and Muslims are both allowed to spew hatred, and some people from each group do, and so long as they're not violating the rights of others, it is legal to do those things.
Really, you're not being persecuted, you can calm down, the secular world and the "gay agenda" doesn't want to hurt you
You have a persecution complex. It's based on nothing. You don't know what it's like to face prejudice, hatred, disownment, or discrimination on the basis of your Christianity. The US is a nation that is majority Christian, someone who isn't a Christian couldn't possibly be elected president. You are not being persecuted.
They may not be Christians you agree with, but they're Christians. They preach and believe the Bible, they believe in and accept Christ as their savior, they're Christians, and sometimes Christians can do horrible things.
No one is taught to be homosexual or heterosexual, people are what they are, if they're attracted to the opposite sex then they'll be attracted to the opposite sex, and vice-versa for same sex. And it's hard to wait to give children sexual education these days, they start experimenting and trying it on their own, best to teach them about what dangers exist and how to avoid hurting themselves. And kids don't need to be taught to be heterosexual, 99% of the relationships they see everyday are heterosexual, they see the opposite sex kissing on TV, they see men and women as couples, sure they may see the same thing with same-sex couples but, it's very very rare in comparison. Not that any of this matters anyways.
You do not have a right to discriminate. That is not a right. You do however, have the same rights as everyone else, and you have even more privilege. Do you think that if Muslims running a public hotel rejected a couple for being Christian, that they wouldn't be sued? Because it's illegal for people to discriminate in that case as well. Christians and Muslims are both allowed to spew hatred, and some people from each group do, and so long as they're not violating the rights of others, it is legal to do those things.
Really, you're not being persecuted, you can calm down, the secular world and the "gay agenda" doesn't want to hurt you
Christians are not bar owners.
Actually, I have been cussed out, and threatened with violence while evangelizing. Also, having grown up in Texas (spanish "ghettos" of Texas) and Miami, I know VERY well what it is to be discriminated and ostracized for being poor (by whites), for being white (by blacks and hispanics). I was actually beat up many times for nothing. A group of people would come up to me and start fights for no reason at all.
Do I sympathize with homosexuals? Absolutely! That is why I want homosexuals to know the Truth. The U.S. is not Christian by majority -- maybe nominally Christian; but not truly by far.
As far as Presidents go, I don't believe anyone could actually become president and truly be Christian, if you know about how Presidents are chosen. George Bush was not Christian at all, nor was Clinton, nor was Bush Sr., nor Reagan, nor any of these other men who claimed to be Christian.
The last President who tried to practice justice (by printing our own money, rather than depending on the Federal Reserve -- which isn't Federal at all -- which dependence is bringing ruin to the U.S. because of how much they charge in interest) was J.F.K., and he was assassinated.
Hitler claimed to be "Christian", too; but since he didn't follow the True Word, he was not truly Christian at all. The majority of Christians will not enter Heaven.
Actually, this is where Christianity and non-Christianity disagree: Christians do not believe that it "natural"; God would not create someone with a trait that He condemns. It is a personal choice that people make. This is especially important to know when dealing with so-called "Christians" who want to contort Scripture to fit their lifestyles rather than repent.
Christians don't spew hatred. If a person who says they are Christian spews hatred, they are not practicing Christianity, since Christ did not spew hatred even against the woman caught in adultery. He said, "If anyone does not have sin, cast the first stone" -- He, Himself, was qualified to cast the first stone; but He didn't. 1 John says if we say we belong to Him, we ourselves also ought to walk like Him. If someone is spewing hatred, they are not Christian -- or, are disobeying the things Jesus lived and taught others to live. Extremist Muslims' ultimate goal is the destruction of everything non-Muslim. I know; my step-dad was a Sudanese extremist who forced my family into Islam.
This isn't about being persecuted; it is about the preservation of morals and Christian Truth. A Christian cannot be a homosexual. Anyone practicing homosexuality cannot know God; therefore, since I care about homosexuals, I wouldn't go without speaking the Truth, so that they CAN know God: the wrath of God is coming upon all who do not know God (2 Thessalonians 1:8).
There has been NO single group of people more maligned and persecuted than Christians.
Actually, I have been cussed out, and threatened with violence while evangelizing. Also, having grown up in Texas (spanish "ghettos" of Texas) and Miami, I know VERY well what it is to be discriminated and ostracized for being poor (by whites), for being white (by blacks and hispanics). I was actually beat up many times for nothing. A group of people would come up to me and start fights for no reason at all.
Do I sympathize with homosexuals? Absolutely! That is why I want homosexuals to know the Truth. The U.S. is not Christian by majority -- maybe nominally Christian; but not truly by far.
As far as Presidents go, I don't believe anyone could actually become president and truly be Christian, if you know about how Presidents are chosen. George Bush was not Christian at all, nor was Clinton, nor was Bush Sr., nor Reagan, nor any of these other men who claimed to be Christian.
The last President who tried to practice justice (by printing our own money, rather than depending on the Federal Reserve -- which isn't Federal at all -- which dependence is bringing ruin to the U.S. because of how much they charge in interest) was J.F.K., and he was assassinated.
Hitler claimed to be "Christian", too; but since he didn't follow the True Word, he was not truly Christian at all. The majority of Christians will not enter Heaven.
Actually, this is where Christianity and non-Christianity disagree: Christians do not believe that it "natural"; God would not create someone with a trait that He condemns. It is a personal choice that people make. This is especially important to know when dealing with so-called "Christians" who want to contort Scripture to fit their lifestyles rather than repent.
Christians don't spew hatred. If a person who says they are Christian spews hatred, they are not practicing Christianity, since Christ did not spew hatred even against the woman caught in adultery. He said, "If anyone does not have sin, cast the first stone" -- He, Himself, was qualified to cast the first stone; but He didn't. 1 John says if we say we belong to Him, we ourselves also ought to walk like Him. If someone is spewing hatred, they are not Christian -- or, are disobeying the things Jesus lived and taught others to live. Extremist Muslims' ultimate goal is the destruction of everything non-Muslim. I know; my step-dad was a Sudanese extremist who forced my family into Islam.
Really, you're not being persecuted, you can calm down, the secular world and the "gay agenda" doesn't want to hurt you
There has been NO single group of people more maligned and persecuted than Christians.
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The problem with your argument is that no one is arguing (much less, using Scripture to prove their argument) that lying is not a sin; but there ARE homosexuals who contort the Word of God (and ignore the clear Word of God) trying to say that homosexuality is NOT a sin -- that you can live as a Christian, and serve God and be homosexual. This is the problem: trying to say that sin is not a sin. That is a big problem.
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This is my main gripe with Christianity. I understand that God allegedly condemned homosexuality, but that doesn't give anyone the right to ostracize the gay community, harm them, or prevent them from obtaining the same rights. We have laws to prevent religious influence for a reason.
It's fine if homosexuality is a sin in your eyes, that's your contention. But that does not give anyone the right to treat the gay community like dirt.
People here go on and on about how they're all going to end up in hell. Guess what? They're already there.
They can't come out of the closet because they're worried about friends and family who were always there for them turning on them, simply because of who they love. It doesn't matter that their personalities are still the same and nothing has changed, they're still often alienated and disowned.
They can't even turn to religion at this point because they have people there telling them they're evil as well. It's ridiculous--especially since God also teaches about love and forgiveness. But that often seems to be overlooked. The hypocrisy is just amazing all around, considering almost everyone in church is a sinner in one way or another. It would be hard not to be one with the bible's view of morality.
Now, what really annoys me is people who try rationalizing their disdain for the gay community by quoting the bible.
I know what the bible has to say on homosexuality, but how do you feel? What were your beliefs on homosexuality before you found God? Did you have an opinion?
That's been my issue since joining this board, everyone has a lot to say about how God supposedly feels or felt, but very few of the people here are actually willing to let me know how they feel.
I understand being holy, but that doesn't mean you should blindly follow every word in the bible, when you disagree with what is said. I'm not all that holy these days, but if I were I probably wouldn't take everything that was said at face value. Even if God did feel that way at one point, times change. Society progresses and we move closer towards Egalitarianism.
Is that really a bad thing? I would've thought that we would've learned centuries ago that intolerance and persecution was wrong. But it seems like we just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again, just with new faces. It's sad.
Books are never going to change, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't.
It's fine if homosexuality is a sin in your eyes, that's your contention. But that does not give anyone the right to treat the gay community like dirt.
People here go on and on about how they're all going to end up in hell. Guess what? They're already there.
They can't come out of the closet because they're worried about friends and family who were always there for them turning on them, simply because of who they love. It doesn't matter that their personalities are still the same and nothing has changed, they're still often alienated and disowned.
They can't even turn to religion at this point because they have people there telling them they're evil as well. It's ridiculous--especially since God also teaches about love and forgiveness. But that often seems to be overlooked. The hypocrisy is just amazing all around, considering almost everyone in church is a sinner in one way or another. It would be hard not to be one with the bible's view of morality.
Now, what really annoys me is people who try rationalizing their disdain for the gay community by quoting the bible.
I know what the bible has to say on homosexuality, but how do you feel? What were your beliefs on homosexuality before you found God? Did you have an opinion?
That's been my issue since joining this board, everyone has a lot to say about how God supposedly feels or felt, but very few of the people here are actually willing to let me know how they feel.
I understand being holy, but that doesn't mean you should blindly follow every word in the bible, when you disagree with what is said. I'm not all that holy these days, but if I were I probably wouldn't take everything that was said at face value. Even if God did feel that way at one point, times change. Society progresses and we move closer towards Egalitarianism.
Is that really a bad thing? I would've thought that we would've learned centuries ago that intolerance and persecution was wrong. But it seems like we just keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again, just with new faces. It's sad.
Books are never going to change, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't.
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