Homosexual ... and Christian???
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As to your statement about the (public) buisness.
It is a private buisness, it recieves no public funding.
They may need to place a some kind of notice to be free of suit.
The problem is, now if you show your faith based choices, those that disagree will often not protest, but bring attack and damage to those that live in Jesus.
As to what schools are teaching, reciently some parents were brought to court over voicing thier disagreement with the school teaching non gender and homosexuality as ok.
Freedom of belief goes both ways.
Like I sad before, there are subtle laws being passed that will make being a christian a punishable crime.
You said we disagree, but your disagreement is not with me, it is with God.
For it is in Jesus, that God decides for me.
And I will always show you love and kindness.
In Jesus, God bless.
pickles
It is a private buisness, it recieves no public funding.
They may need to place a some kind of notice to be free of suit.
The problem is, now if you show your faith based choices, those that disagree will often not protest, but bring attack and damage to those that live in Jesus.
As to what schools are teaching, reciently some parents were brought to court over voicing thier disagreement with the school teaching non gender and homosexuality as ok.
Freedom of belief goes both ways.
Like I sad before, there are subtle laws being passed that will make being a christian a punishable crime.
You said we disagree, but your disagreement is not with me, it is with God.
For it is in Jesus, that God decides for me.
And I will always show you love and kindness.
In Jesus, God bless.
pickles
G
I'm sorry and at the time I thought this had everything to do with this thread, this homosexuality in the church affects everyone including people who have nothing to do with it or have anything to do with the denominations that embrace it and that is one reason this is a sore subject with me. Sin is sin,and when you say one is O.K. they all may as well be.
As to your statement about the (public) buisness.
It is a private buisness, it recieves no public funding.
They may need to place a some kind of notice to be free of suit.
The problem is, now if you show your faith based choices, those that disagree will often not protest, but bring attack and damage to those that live in Jesus.
As to what schools are teaching, reciently some parents were brought to court over voicing thier disagreement with the school teaching non gender and homosexuality as ok.
Freedom of belief goes both ways.
Like I sad before, there are subtle laws being passed that will make being a christian a punishable crime.
You said we disagree, but your disagreement is not with me, it is with God.
For it is in Jesus, that God decides for me.
And I will always show you love and kindness.
In Jesus, God bless.
pickles
It is a private buisness, it recieves no public funding.
They may need to place a some kind of notice to be free of suit.
The problem is, now if you show your faith based choices, those that disagree will often not protest, but bring attack and damage to those that live in Jesus.
As to what schools are teaching, reciently some parents were brought to court over voicing thier disagreement with the school teaching non gender and homosexuality as ok.
Freedom of belief goes both ways.
Like I sad before, there are subtle laws being passed that will make being a christian a punishable crime.
You said we disagree, but your disagreement is not with me, it is with God.
For it is in Jesus, that God decides for me.
And I will always show you love and kindness.
In Jesus, God bless.
pickles
The thing that some people refuse to see is that OUR freedom of religion is being trampled in the name of "equality".
The problem is also that Truth, itself, is being trampled over by these people who claim you can be homosexual and Christian. You can be homosexual, and you can be a Christian; but you cannot be both, because Christ says homosexuality is a sin.
I know,its not just in this issue but in all that is now.
I know some in politics that have been told that either your with us, or your against us.
They were forced out.
Saddly one knows they cannot attack faith, so things are being done that simply make faith unacceptable.
Jesus spoke to this though, so our peace is in Him.
My heart is for those perishing, for it is made more difficult each day to bring witness to the glory and love of Jesus.
God bless.
pickles
I know some in politics that have been told that either your with us, or your against us.
They were forced out.
Saddly one knows they cannot attack faith, so things are being done that simply make faith unacceptable.
Jesus spoke to this though, so our peace is in Him.
My heart is for those perishing, for it is made more difficult each day to bring witness to the glory and love of Jesus.
God bless.
pickles
as a matter of fact, that is next.
this is all scripted and going according to plan.
the first part is to get the TABOO subject on the table for discussion.
something that was previously unspeakable is now open for debate: Hegelian Dialectic.
they start off indoctrinating through PROGRAMMING and deconditioning.
they see what the reaction is, and how much they can get away with.
then they tweak the machine and try again.
2 recent examples:
Fox's American Dad bestiality scene draws FCC complaints
this is all scripted and going according to plan.
the first part is to get the TABOO subject on the table for discussion.
something that was previously unspeakable is now open for debate: Hegelian Dialectic.
they start off indoctrinating through PROGRAMMING and deconditioning.
they see what the reaction is, and how much they can get away with.
then they tweak the machine and try again.
2 recent examples:
Fox's American Dad bestiality scene draws FCC complaints
Is Amazon Violating Free Speech by Pulling Pedophile Guide?
just know that its the really young kids learning the perverted stuff at school. they've already had subliminal damage done through Freemason Walt Disney's films.
just know that its the really young kids learning the perverted stuff at school. they've already had subliminal damage done through Freemason Walt Disney's films.
Really? Ever heard of the Riddle Homophobia Scale -- developed by Dr. Dorothy Riddle -- which uses a scale of 8 Levels of Attitudes, of which 4 are homophobic and 4 positive ?
1. pity
2. repulsion
3. acceptance
4. tolerance
Positive
1. Support
2. Admiration
3. Appreciation
4. Nurturing
Support, admiration, appreciation, nurturing -- that is NOT equality. They don't want equality; they want something very different.
Riddle Homophobia Scale
Homophobic1. pity
2. repulsion
3. acceptance
4. tolerance
Positive
1. Support
2. Admiration
3. Appreciation
4. Nurturing
Support, admiration, appreciation, nurturing -- that is NOT equality. They don't want equality; they want something very different.
Everyone is right as you all would be reading different bibles, I read the Holy Bible NIV. This is from memory but as I interpret it from my other bible Youth Bible,
God created man and woman because they can produce offspring in a holy and honourable way in a sense of becoming one with one another and the Lord God, whereas two men cannot become one with one another.
God created man and woman because they can produce offspring in a holy and honourable way in a sense of becoming one with one another and the Lord God, whereas two men cannot become one with one another.
H
Paul in 1 Cor 6 sets out two options. One is celibacy and the other is marriage. The rest would be immorality. People who try to be celibate may give in to immorality because they do not have this gift. Marriage between a man and a woman is the preferred option to ungenuine celibacy. Celibacy in an ascetic sense might be an exaggeration of moraity rather than a gift. Paul says it is better to have that gift of celibacy.
Homosexuality would fall outside marriage and celibacy and be classed as immorality.
Homosexuality would fall outside marriage and celibacy and be classed as immorality.
T
Interesting. For this topic is one that brings me shame for being a Christian. Majority on this board feel that homosexuals can not and should not be saved unless they fully repent and live against the life that God gave them (I am under the full belief that only God and yourself knows what is true in your heart and soul). Now of course I know I will be slammed on this but I feel that if there are level of sins then I feel those that keep the doors closed on gays that want to go to Church are in a worse setting.
It is easy to point the finger at homosexuals and call them sinners, if you are not a homosexual. But could you point the finger at yourself on the more common sins of man, pride and greed? I know that people are going to yank the letters of Paul and Lev on me, but what was common point of those letters were people that put items before God. Lust before God is bad no matter if you are hetro or homo, Pride before God is bad, so is anything before God.
Once again I know I will be talked down on for my position, so be it. People of Christ have said that they speak for God to keep me out of their Church. It made me cynical and even had me hate God. That is until I read his book and learned that Jesus died for all of us, and talked about hypocrites as being the worse sinners. Not those that love someone that makes others uncomfortable.
It is easy to point the finger at homosexuals and call them sinners, if you are not a homosexual. But could you point the finger at yourself on the more common sins of man, pride and greed? I know that people are going to yank the letters of Paul and Lev on me, but what was common point of those letters were people that put items before God. Lust before God is bad no matter if you are hetro or homo, Pride before God is bad, so is anything before God.
Once again I know I will be talked down on for my position, so be it. People of Christ have said that they speak for God to keep me out of their Church. It made me cynical and even had me hate God. That is until I read his book and learned that Jesus died for all of us, and talked about hypocrites as being the worse sinners. Not those that love someone that makes others uncomfortable.
H
hi there
Peace be with you. Jesus is the friend of sinners and wants all to come to him.He has an open heart. This does mean that even homosexuals and those who bring lust before him are saved if Jesus choses them as companions. But to be sure the lust and tyhe homosexual acts displease Jesus.
And I would expect that over time Jesus would want the disciple who is immoral to reform and repent.
I would not want to be ungenerous myself because Jesus has forgiven me lots and for me not to forgive or not be generous would be a greater sin.
But we cannot get away from the fact that there are things which are wrong. Zaccheus the thief was warmly welcomed by Jesus but there was a special celebration when later Zaccheus repented.
Peace be with you. Jesus is the friend of sinners and wants all to come to him.He has an open heart. This does mean that even homosexuals and those who bring lust before him are saved if Jesus choses them as companions. But to be sure the lust and tyhe homosexual acts displease Jesus.
And I would expect that over time Jesus would want the disciple who is immoral to reform and repent.
I would not want to be ungenerous myself because Jesus has forgiven me lots and for me not to forgive or not be generous would be a greater sin.
But we cannot get away from the fact that there are things which are wrong. Zaccheus the thief was warmly welcomed by Jesus but there was a special celebration when later Zaccheus repented.
F
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."(Leviticus 20:13)
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24)
"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27)
If one is a Christian and one believes and follows the bible then these verses are plain and simple. If someone tries to justify it they are using human opinion but the scripture tells us that God's ways are not man's ways and His thoughts aren't like ours.
We can still be friends with gays...one of my best friends was gay. We shouldn't hate them like many Christians do. It's a sin just like stealing or drinking till you're drunk and people struggle with it..doesn't mean we have to hate them. But yes, it is clearly a sin because it's not the plan God made for mankind.
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24)
"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27)
If one is a Christian and one believes and follows the bible then these verses are plain and simple. If someone tries to justify it they are using human opinion but the scripture tells us that God's ways are not man's ways and His thoughts aren't like ours.
We can still be friends with gays...one of my best friends was gay. We shouldn't hate them like many Christians do. It's a sin just like stealing or drinking till you're drunk and people struggle with it..doesn't mean we have to hate them. But yes, it is clearly a sin because it's not the plan God made for mankind.
T
The problem I have is that people use homosexuality as a litmus test for being a "True Christian". If Heterosexuals and Homosexuals put anything before God then that is a major sin, as pointed out in countless verses of the Bible. But to condemn one bunch of people for loving someone else and saying they are not a Christian like me, therefore you will burn I feel is just plain ignorant.
Once again this argument will happen until the second Coming, and there is no way I will ever change anyone's minds. But I feel that if you are a Christian and you force someone away because you think they are sinning and not welcoming them into your Church or towards God's Word then that is much worst than what sin that person is tackling. If the person asks for help for his sin then help, teach, council, and try not to judge him/her. That should go across the board. Only God knows what is truly in that person's heart.
Once again this argument will happen until the second Coming, and there is no way I will ever change anyone's minds. But I feel that if you are a Christian and you force someone away because you think they are sinning and not welcoming them into your Church or towards God's Word then that is much worst than what sin that person is tackling. If the person asks for help for his sin then help, teach, council, and try not to judge him/her. That should go across the board. Only God knows what is truly in that person's heart.