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Hi Peter, I agree with everything you have said back and forth to Adrian. Theres just something to consider and I would like to share with you, if you dont mind.
[The ones that do not take the mark will be reigning with Christ. During the 1000 years, Christ and his saints will reign in Jerusalem over the Israelites. The dead Israelites will be resurected into flesh and bought into the kingdom.
Isaiah 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord has said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
Ezekiel 37:5 Thus says the Lord God unto these bones; behold I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live
Ezekiel 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus says the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel
There will also be Israelites alive at Christs coming. These will have the mark of the beast as all men will be marked (besides the elect) These will come into the kingdom. They get their second chance now to know learn the truth (Jesus)
So the kingdom on earth (1000 years) consists of
(1) Jesus our King
(2) Saints
(3) Resurected Israelites (reserved)
(4) Remaining Israelites alive at Christs coming.
But outside the kingdom, nations that survived the wrath of God (7 trumpets) will also have a chance to learn. They remain outside however, but can come in and learn (not live) to redeem themselves.
Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pas in the last days, that the mountain of the Lords house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob, and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
The only ones who dont have the mark at Christs return will be the elect. And I believe this will be the 144,000 that are sealed. These ones with the seal are not to be harmed (rev 7:3, 9:4) The rest of the Christians have been executed for refusing the mark. (rev 7:14, 7:11, 15:2) These sing the song of moses (rev 15:3), the 144,000 sing a song that no one knew (rev 14:3)
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the ELECTS SAKE, whom he has chosen, he has shortened the days.
(Many are called but few are chosen.)
So the elect will be alive at Christs return after the wrath of God has been poured out (7 trumpets) as you stated correctly via the scriptures.
The rest of the christians are persecuted already by this stage (Christs coming)
I believe the elect will be a mixture of Jews and gentiles (spiritual jews),
If the gentiles be grafted in, and are considered adopted, then they would belong to the tribes as well.
Thankyou and God bless.
[The ones that do not take the mark will be reigning with Christ. During the 1000 years, Christ and his saints will reign in Jerusalem over the Israelites. The dead Israelites will be resurected into flesh and bought into the kingdom.
Isaiah 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord has said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.
Ezekiel 37:5 Thus says the Lord God unto these bones; behold I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live
Ezekiel 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus says the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel
There will also be Israelites alive at Christs coming. These will have the mark of the beast as all men will be marked (besides the elect) These will come into the kingdom. They get their second chance now to know learn the truth (Jesus)
So the kingdom on earth (1000 years) consists of
(1) Jesus our King
(2) Saints
(3) Resurected Israelites (reserved)
(4) Remaining Israelites alive at Christs coming.
But outside the kingdom, nations that survived the wrath of God (7 trumpets) will also have a chance to learn. They remain outside however, but can come in and learn (not live) to redeem themselves.
Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pas in the last days, that the mountain of the Lords house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob, and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
The only ones who dont have the mark at Christs return will be the elect. And I believe this will be the 144,000 that are sealed. These ones with the seal are not to be harmed (rev 7:3, 9:4) The rest of the Christians have been executed for refusing the mark. (rev 7:14, 7:11, 15:2) These sing the song of moses (rev 15:3), the 144,000 sing a song that no one knew (rev 14:3)
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the ELECTS SAKE, whom he has chosen, he has shortened the days.
(Many are called but few are chosen.)
So the elect will be alive at Christs return after the wrath of God has been poured out (7 trumpets) as you stated correctly via the scriptures.
The rest of the christians are persecuted already by this stage (Christs coming)
I believe the elect will be a mixture of Jews and gentiles (spiritual jews),
If the gentiles be grafted in, and are considered adopted, then they would belong to the tribes as well.
Thankyou and God bless.
IF there are any unsaved that DO NOT take the mark of the beast we shall reign over
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I know you have been deceived because you have been believing the false prophets, because you tech a resurrection or rapture before the great tribulation. Nowhere in the Bible does a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation. It’s not in the Bible.
It is a delusion, it’s just smoke and mirrors, designed by the devil to keep God’s children unprepared
You may want to sell your birthright for a mess of pottage, but I don’t.
He is NOT NOT NOT NOT a Jew which is one outwardly, But he IS IS IS IS a Jew, which is one inwardly
It doesn’t get much clearer than that.
Obedient Christians are the people of God
NOT the Jews by flesh. just Obedient Christians are the people of God
Romans Chapter 2 28 For he is NOT a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he IS a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Hebrews 12:16 Lest there [be] any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Genesis 25:28-34
1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
It is a delusion, it’s just smoke and mirrors, designed by the devil to keep God’s children unprepared
You may want to sell your birthright for a mess of pottage, but I don’t.
He is NOT NOT NOT NOT a Jew which is one outwardly, But he IS IS IS IS a Jew, which is one inwardly
It doesn’t get much clearer than that.
Obedient Christians are the people of God
NOT the Jews by flesh. just Obedient Christians are the people of God
Romans Chapter 2 28 For he is NOT a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he IS a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Hebrews 12:16 Lest there [be] any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Genesis 25:28-34
1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
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That verse in Romans is true, but the sealing of the 144,000 is talking about LITERAL *ISRAELITE* JEWS which he probably isn't one, nor are you. There is more evidence, that I know of, supporting pre tribulational rapture than there is supporting any other. I am not a false prophet, I walk with God and always seek to do His will, and in no way do I take pre trib as an excuse to not be ready, I really see no way why anyone would take that view, in fact if Jesus was coming soon I think any true Christian would like to be even more ready than ever.
Mid trib and post trib and amillineallist use some scripture and mostly conjectures about a few passages of scripture including the allegorizing of scripture to explain their views. Pre trib can be explained with solely scripture, even with just the book of revelation which is not a fairy tale but a prophetic book just like it claims in its last chapter.
The problem with the false post-tribulation-rapture theory is that if you know that Jesus is coming back at the end of the 7-year Tribulation age, you will be able to actually calculate the exact date of Jesus’ return by counting back 7-years to the date when the Anti-Christ signed the peace treaty. Therefore, Jesus’ return would not be like a thief in the night, and the Bible’s teaching to be ready at anytime because we don’t know when Jesus will return, would not make any sense, because you would be able to calculate the exact date Jesus will return. So, we know from even this simple fact, that the post-tribulation-rapture theory is absolutely ridiculous. We can tell that it is a complete farce.
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satan is not bound right now, not possible, there is far too much evil going on. it's evident on a daily basis. he is loose and he is angry... and Jesus' 2nd coming is around the corner.
i just cannot make sense of this theory you have, zone.... but i love you and you have a great heart and awesome input otherwise. the 1000 year reign is without sin, why would Satan be 'loosed' to deceive the nations once AGAIN?? (repeat) he has never been loosed until the 1000 year reign AFTER Jesus' return... scripture is clear on this... how can you believe otherwise?
the 1000 is a time for everyone to know he lives amongst them, not like the first time, it's also called 'rest'. there is a time limit to this period on earth.
i just cannot make sense of this theory you have, zone....
but i love you and you have a great heart and awesome input otherwise. the 1000 year reign is without sin, why would Satan be 'loosed' to deceive the nations once AGAIN?? (repeat) he has never been loosed until the 1000 year reign AFTER Jesus' return... scripture is clear on this... how can you believe otherwise?the 1000 is a time for everyone to know he lives amongst them, not like the first time, it's also called 'rest'. there is a time limit to this period on earth.
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satan is not bound right now, not possible, there is far too much evil going on. it's evident on a daily basis. he is loose and he is angry... and Jesus' 2nd coming is around the corner.
i just cannot make sense of this theory you have, zone.... but i love you and you have a great heart and awesome input otherwise. the 1000 year reign is without sin, why would Satan be 'loosed' to deceive the nations once AGAIN?? (repeat) he has never been loosed until the 1000 year reign AFTER Jesus' return... scripture is clear on this... how can you believe otherwise?
the 1000 is a time for everyone to know he lives amongst them, not like the first time, it's also called 'rest'. there is a time limit to this period on earth.
i just cannot make sense of this theory you have, zone....
but i love you and you have a great heart and awesome input otherwise. the 1000 year reign is without sin, why would Satan be 'loosed' to deceive the nations once AGAIN?? (repeat) he has never been loosed until the 1000 year reign AFTER Jesus' return... scripture is clear on this... how can you believe otherwise?the 1000 is a time for everyone to know he lives amongst them, not like the first time, it's also called 'rest'. there is a time limit to this period on earth.
Agreed, The term bound means imprisoned. When Satan is bound he is unable to affect anyone. He can't tempt sinners. Temp national leaders. Control anyones thoughts or actions. Do anything. He is bound, totally powerless in the world. Until he is released. then he once again stirs up the nations to go against God in one final battle, when the battle to end all battles is fought, and Christ is victorious for the last time, And satan is finally sent to where he belongs.
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Amen!
the ressurection will be as a thief. A theif does not leave sins or else people will be waiting.
Yet Christs return is near when we see all signs. In Fact Christ tells us when. After great tribulation (3 1/2 years) Which is started when the abomination of desolation occurs. Then after tribulation. Christ will return for a grreat battle and wipe out all evil.
One can be known. The other we are not even given a hint.
satan is not bound right now, not possible, there is far too much evil going on. it's evident on a daily basis. he is loose and he is angry... and Jesus' 2nd coming is around the corner.
i just cannot make sense of this theory you have, zone.... but i love you and you have a great heart and awesome input otherwise. the 1000 year reign is without sin, why would Satan be 'loosed' to deceive the nations once AGAIN?? (repeat) he has never been loosed until the 1000 year reign AFTER Jesus' return... scripture is clear on this... how can you believe otherwise?
the 1000 is a time for everyone to know he lives amongst them, not like the first time, it's also called 'rest'. there is a time limit to this period on earth.
i just cannot make sense of this theory you have, zone....
but i love you and you have a great heart and awesome input otherwise. the 1000 year reign is without sin, why would Satan be 'loosed' to deceive the nations once AGAIN?? (repeat) he has never been loosed until the 1000 year reign AFTER Jesus' return... scripture is clear on this... how can you believe otherwise?the 1000 is a time for everyone to know he lives amongst them, not like the first time, it's also called 'rest'. there is a time limit to this period on earth.
yes, we've got sin and death and war, just like always: but THE GOSPEL CAN NOT BE STOPPED: Jesus said the gates of Hades wouldn't prevail against it (He didn't mean that hell wouldn't succeed in drawing in christians, He spoke that militantly that the gates of hell couldn't withstand the Church/Gospel CRASHING THROUGH them to save lost sinners!)
SW: Jesus made it very clear to the Pharisees that The Kingdom of God had come upon them, and He proved it by casting a demon out of a man.....their dialogue is very telling. remember that the gentiles used to be outside the Commonwealth of Israel, having NO HOPE! but after Calvary, the church was for gentile and jew.....this is how the strong man was no longer able to deceve and torment the nations about the True God.>>THE GOSPEL CAME! THE HOLY SPIRIT CAME!
but the coming trib will be SO EXTREME, with God Himself also sending strong delusion, that when the time comes we will indeed know satan HAD BEEN RESTRAINED PREVIOUSLY.
just look at this dialogue:
Matthew 12
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
22 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.” 25 Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 28But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house. 30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw.
Jesus did indeed cast out a demon from a possessed man (one of satan's "possessions") and healed him
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
The Pharisees accused Him of working his miracles by Satan (Beelzebub - the unpardable sin).
He clealry tells them He has done ot by The Spirit of God, AND that the Kingdom of God HAD COME UPON THEM THEN! (this is very important concerning Daniel 9)
Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.
Jesus is verifying and expressing His Authority by saying that, in fact, how is one able to plunder a strong man's house (satan's possession victim) unless He first binds the strong man.
many of these signs during the apotolic era continued by the Authority of Christ, until the Gospel had reached far and wide and we had our canon. satan has not been able to stop the church (yep...people have died for Christ, but the church continues on).
however: there will come a brief but intense time ahead when there will be no more repentence mentioned in the woes. and, people will have already taken the mark. that's all during satan's SHORT SPACE.
whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
finally, from this passgae we see that The Pharisees understood the 2 age model (this world and the world to come). they understood that a thousnad years was an hebraism which meant the messianic portion of redemptive history: THIS AGE (1,000 means full or complete), and they understood the age to come as ETERNITY.
notice Jesus doesn't diuscuss a literal millennium here.
FIRST ADVENT...............messianic era...................>short space>..SECOND ADVENT/ETERNITY
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The whole problem with this line of thinking is no where in revelations does it speak about satan decieving the church. It speaks about him decieving nations. When he is bound he will not be able to do this. why anyone would think he has not done this since Christ and is still doing it today (Hitler and so on) is beyond me.
The reason he is bound is so he can not decieve nations, While Christ reigns on earth. This is another reason I can not believe in amillenialism
The reason he is bound is so he can not decieve nations, While Christ reigns on earth. This is another reason I can not believe in amillenialism
but where did i say anything about him deceiving the church?
the deception is going to be worldwide (think 9-11 on steroids)
Jesus said He would keep us (His Own) from being deceived.
he DID NOT say he would keep us from being killed or persecuted.
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
that bit if it were possible means it isnt by any means possible.
let me ask you: are we headed for great tribulation filled with lying signs and wonders?
will satan be part of that?
the deception is going to be worldwide (think 9-11 on steroids)
Jesus said He would keep us (His Own) from being deceived.
he DID NOT say he would keep us from being killed or persecuted.
Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
that bit if it were possible means it isnt by any means possible.
let me ask you: are we headed for great tribulation filled with lying signs and wonders?
will satan be part of that?
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Mark 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
If Jesus said no man knows the hour or day, then you won’t know the hour or day. It doesn’t mean there will be a pre-tribulation resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation Maybe the seven year agreement will be signed under the table or behind the scenes before it comes to light before I its published to the world. So no man will know the hour or day. It doesn’t say there will be a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation
But let us have a closer look at your resurrection, or rapture that you think takes place before the great tribulation.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed
Until he be taken out of the way, you say that is the holy ghost which that means the people of God shall be taken out of the way. I say that it is just an angel taken out of the way. The holy ghost cannot be taken out of the way because the holy ghost won’t have time to take a holiday, he’s going to be too busy and will be needed.
The two end time prophets in Rv11 the two witnesses will need him
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy GHOST is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth
Acts 5:32And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy GHOST, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
And the 144000 will need the Holy Ghost.
John 14:26But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 5:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
The Holy Ghost makes you a witness and teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, and show you the way.
Without the Holy GHOST these people could do Nothing
The first resurrection
Rv 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The first resurrection happens in Rv11 with the two end time prophets that are raised from the dead.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
It just happens that Jesus comes in the clouds.
It just happens that Jesus comes at the last trumpet.
It just happens that Jesus comes with the voice of the archangel..
It just happens that Jesus raises the dead first.
AND
It just happens that the two end time prophets are raised from the dead.
It just happens that the two end time prophets hear a voice saying come up hither.
It just happens that the two end time prophets are raised in the clouds
It just happens that the two end time prophets are raised at the sound of the last trumpet
Revelation Chapter 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation Chapter 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Corinthians Chapter 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
The two end time prophets are killed by the beast at the end of the great tribulation are raised from the dead and are raised in the clouds at the last trumpet
Now is that not a 100 times better than your verses. 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8
I have not only shown you a resurrection but I have shown you the first resurrection, at the end of the great tribulation at the last trumpet
And you have shown me no resurrection. Nowhere in the Bible does a resurrection or rapture take place before the great tribulation. It is a delusion, it’s a lie of the devil and you preach it.
Matthew &:14 Because straight [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
If Jesus said no man knows the hour or day, then you won’t know the hour or day. It doesn’t mean there will be a pre-tribulation resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation Maybe the seven year agreement will be signed under the table or behind the scenes before it comes to light before I its published to the world. So no man will know the hour or day. It doesn’t say there will be a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation
But let us have a closer look at your resurrection, or rapture that you think takes place before the great tribulation.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed
Until he be taken out of the way, you say that is the holy ghost which that means the people of God shall be taken out of the way. I say that it is just an angel taken out of the way. The holy ghost cannot be taken out of the way because the holy ghost won’t have time to take a holiday, he’s going to be too busy and will be needed.
The two end time prophets in Rv11 the two witnesses will need him
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy GHOST is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth
Acts 5:32And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy GHOST, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
And the 144000 will need the Holy Ghost.
John 14:26But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 5:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
The Holy Ghost makes you a witness and teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, and show you the way.
Without the Holy GHOST these people could do Nothing
The first resurrection
Rv 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The first resurrection happens in Rv11 with the two end time prophets that are raised from the dead.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
It just happens that Jesus comes in the clouds.
It just happens that Jesus comes at the last trumpet.
It just happens that Jesus comes with the voice of the archangel..
It just happens that Jesus raises the dead first.
AND
It just happens that the two end time prophets are raised from the dead.
It just happens that the two end time prophets hear a voice saying come up hither.
It just happens that the two end time prophets are raised in the clouds
It just happens that the two end time prophets are raised at the sound of the last trumpet
Revelation Chapter 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation Chapter 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Corinthians Chapter 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
The two end time prophets are killed by the beast at the end of the great tribulation are raised from the dead and are raised in the clouds at the last trumpet
Now is that not a 100 times better than your verses. 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8
I have not only shown you a resurrection but I have shown you the first resurrection, at the end of the great tribulation at the last trumpet
And you have shown me no resurrection. Nowhere in the Bible does a resurrection or rapture take place before the great tribulation. It is a delusion, it’s a lie of the devil and you preach it.
Matthew &:14 Because straight [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
If you are saying that He is coming at the end of the 7 years of tribulation, then you are stating that you know the hour when He comes for his church, which should be like a thief in the night (which you don't expect, meaning SURPRISE) since you will be able to count to 7 years after the antichrist is revealed. So pretty much post trib is completely against the fist verse you posted there (mark 13:32)