Replacement theology.

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eternally-gratefull

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Again you are anticipating revelation.

No one, who heard Moses at Mount Sinai, at Exodus, will ever come to that conclusion.
They don’t have to

they just have to believe God. And that God will make a way,

no Work ever saved anyone. No one is worthy of salvation period
 
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They don’t have to

they just have to believe God. And that God will make a way,

no Work ever saved anyone. No one is worthy of salvation period
Yes, they have to believe God, who told them to keep the Law of Moses.

That was what Moses told Israel after coming down from Mount Sinai.

You don't deny that was what Moses told Israel right? Its written throughout the book of Deuteronomy,
 

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I understand the appeal.

The church I am currently attending now, they even came up with a song about Psalms 91, that always made me smile. They started off strongly preaching Paul's gospel for justification.

But after we are justified, they just can't help slipping back into Israel's program for physical healing and prosperity :cool:
I don't see what would be wrong, if anything, in asking God for and receive physical healing. If by preaching "prosperity" means getting filthy rich or even rich from gospel preaching, then, yes, that would be wrong. But if "prosperity" just means having your basic needs met for health and sustaining life, then np.
 
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I believed in the pre-tribulation rapture of the body of Christ.

But if gentiles want to be saved during the Tribulation, it will be so much harder. They not only have to believe in Jesus as the Messiah, they also need to have various works to show.

But there will still be many who will be saved during that period, although they will probably have to give up their lives for that.
Well the verses you posted earlier say that ALL will receive the mark which means All during that time will be cast into the lake of fire.
 
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For the record

the great tribulation is said to be greater than any tribulation on earth before or after. Jesus said it would be so great all flesh would die unless he returned to put an end to it

the tribulation has not occured yet. If for no other reason than WW1 and WW2 were greatest tribulations this world has seen and nothing in before or after compair.
For the record, dead people came out of the ground and walked the streets of Jerusalem.
 
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Well the verses you posted earlier say that ALL will receive the mark which means All during that time will be cast into the lake of fire.
Remember what I said to you previously.

During the Tribulation, God will supernaturally be feeding the Israelites as they flee to the mountains.

Those wise gentiles, will also know they have to feed and give them shelter, in order for them to be considered saved in the end, (Matthew 25:31-46).

So no, they have a choice not to take the mark, but some will die for that choice, no doubt about that.
 
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I don't see what would be wrong, if anything, in asking God for and receive physical healing. If by preaching "prosperity" means getting filthy rich or even rich from gospel preaching, then, yes, that would be wrong. But if "prosperity" just means having your basic needs met for health and sustaining life, then np.
The main issue I see is that, when one believes in say Psalms 91, and if they happen to get covid-19 for example, well meaning Christians might mislead them to think its because their faith is not enough, they did not tithe etc etc, which I find very harmful.

I would instead stick to the Apostle Paul and teach them to look forward to the rapture, in the midst of this, as stated in Romans 8:18

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
 
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Remember what I said to you previously.

During the Tribulation, God will supernaturally be feeding the Israelites as they flee to the mountains.

Those wise gentiles, will also know they have to feed and give them shelter, in order for them to be considered saved in the end, (Matthew 25:31-46).

So no, they have a choice not to take the mark, but some will die for that choice, no doubt about that.
So ALL doesn’t really mean ALL?
 
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So ALL doesn’t really mean ALL?
I believe the Antichrist will cause all to take the mark before they can buy or sell.

But if you refuse to, you will be beheaded, or unable to buy or sell.

That is what the passage means.
 

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The main issue I see is that, when one believes in say Psalms 91, and if they happen to get covid-19 for example, well meaning Christians might mislead them to think its because their faith is not enough, they did not tithe etc etc, which I find very harmful.

I would instead stick to the Apostle Paul and teach them to look forward to the rapture, in the midst of this, as stated in Romans 8:18

18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Yes, I agree that such might be harmful. But that problem lies with those who wrongly think so, not the ones who believe in healing yet it was not yet to be seen. Just like Job's friends insinuated that the afflictions he suffered was due to problems with his uprightness. Job's friends were in big error.
 
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I believe the Antichrist will cause all to take the mark before they can buy or sell.

But if you refuse to, you will be beheaded, or unable to buy or sell.

That is what the passage means.
I’m a stickler for believing every word exactly as written so I have no choice but to believe that all means all. This why my views of scripture are so different than most other people’s views.
 
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Yes, I agree that such might be harmful. But that problem lies with those who wrongly think so, not the ones who believe in healing yet it was not yet to be seen. Just like Job's friends insinuated that the afflictions he suffered was due to problems with his uprightness. Job's friends were in big error.
Paul instructs us how to pray to God at all times, even when we are sick

6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

In the church I am attending, they keep going back to Israel's program, "By his stripes you are healed", Jesus healed all who are oppressed by the devil (Acts 10) etc etc.

I keep shaking my head and think, "Why not just stick to what Paul instructs us from Romans to Philemon"? ;)
 
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I’m a stickler for believing every word exactly as written so I have no choice but to believe that all means all. This why my views of scripture are so different than most other people’s views.
I respect that difference.

Anyway, those of us in the Body of Christ don't have to worry about the correct interpretation, we will be safely raptured in heaven before that can happen. :)
 
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But you didn't counter anything I posted. What part of my post is in grievous error? Please point out the details of the errors.
I saw no need to...there are many that appose your view point.
What you are basically doing is reconstructing scripture which is a practice alot of people do.
There are foundational truths that need to be adhered to. Doctrines of truth that are sound biblical principles that one can build upon.
 
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I saw no need to...there are many that appose your view point.
What you are basically doing is reconstructing scripture which is a practice alot of people do.
There are foundational truths that need to be adhered to. Doctrines of truth that are sound biblical principles that one can build upon.
Nobody’s rewriting history, we are affirming what the Bible says. Gods chosen people are those who:
  1. Obey Gods voice.
  2. Keep Gods commandments.
  3. Keep Gods covenant.

Exo 19:5 (KJV) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

We preach against those who teach that Gods chosen people are those who:
  1. Don’t obey Gods voice.
  2. Don’t Keep Gods commandments.
  3. Don’t keep Gods covenant.
Could you identify which of these statements are reconstructing the truth?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes, they have to believe God, who told them to keep the Law of Moses.

That was what Moses told Israel after coming down from Mount Sinai.

You don't deny that was what Moses told Israel right? Its written throughout the book of Deuteronomy,
Yep they have to believe God

who told them they had to confirm and obey every word, if they failed they were cursed (in other words, Gods demand was perfection)

for those who were not perfect (everyone, for all have sinned) there was the sacrificial system, which showed what had to happen for mankind to even come near god,

it also showed mankind’s position was so severe only a high priest could come to Gods presence, and even at that, only after the was cleansed. and if he failed in even one are, he died instantly.

the law NEVER saved on person, it condemned every person, because NO ONE could keep the law as required by God, that’s WHY God had to send his son, it’s also why God had to “pass over” the sins of the OT saints, because although they were saved by grace through faith, their sin debt had not been paid yet,
 
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For the record

matt 24
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

has not happen at any point after Jesus spoke these word

16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the[c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

these events have not occurred yet, nothing in history shows that all life could be wiped out (a mass extinction event) nothing in history shows that all people of the earth saw the son of man comming in the clouds as the angel said he would when he ascended to heaven. And there has been no event in history where all the elect have been gathered,
 

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The promise that was made to Abraham was and is literal and not spiritual.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Mmmm... probably not.
 

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I have no point. God has a mission for the Jews to fulfill. Sorry you don't see it.
I do see the Jews fulfilling the mission God gave them. They preached the gospel to the world. Like Abel.

he being dead yet speaketh. Heb.11:4

The followers of Jesus though dead, left us the NT. Btw, happy Thanksgiving. :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I do see the Jews fulfilling the mission God gave them. They preached the gospel to the world. Like Abel.

he being dead yet speaketh. Heb.11:4

The followers of Jesus though dead, left us the NT. Btw, happy Thanksgiving. :)
That was not their mission though