Who will Win

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iamsoandso

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We need to get rid of the political lobbyist's, a start at correcting the problem of foreign influence?

I looked at one of the congresses, and Bill's that were brought to the floor, suspending tariffs on imported goods as an example, the corruption extended to both sides of the aisle, Republicans and Democrats alike both selling America out?

Yep, get rid of the lobbyist....
 

Truth7t7

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My friend you worry too much. And no it is not the cult of Trump. You must understand Mr. Trump is a hired gun. We basically elected him as sheriff in a very rough town. We want him to run out the banditos and rustlers. Once he does that he can retire into the sunset in glory.
A Brilliant Analogy Of Truth!

Exactly why I voted for Donald J. Trump, the hired gun (y)

We need a sheriff to round up the outlaws, and hes doing just that!

I didnt vote for a pastor in the church, I voted for a President to clean house and punish these evildoers as clearly explained in the scripture below

Extortion, Abortion, Homosexuality, Defund The Police, Cashless Bail, Lawlessness In Destruction Of Property?

Once again, brilliant Analogy (Spot On)!

1 Peter 2:13-16KJV
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
 

Roughsoul1991

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We need to get rid of the political lobbyist's, a start at correcting the problem of foreign influence?

I looked at one of the congresses, and Bill's that were brought to the floor, suspending tariffs on imported goods as an example, the corruption extended to both sides of the aisle, Republicans and Democrats alike both selling America out?
Oh definitely. To what degree on each side, I do not know.
 

Roughsoul1991

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We need to get rid of the political lobbyists, a start at correcting the problem of foreign influence?

I looked at one of the congresses, and Bill's that were brought to the floor, suspending tariffs on imported goods as an example, the corruption extended to both sides of the aisle, Republicans and Democrats alike both selling America out?
What should take the place of the lobbyist?
 

Truth7t7

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What should take the place of the lobbyist?
I think we need to start with the (Professional Lobbyist) legal firms who are directly tied to congressional public servants?

We need to have the elected officials accountable to their voting constituents, not a professional lobbying firm?

I believe recently they instituted laws, not allowing congressmen from lobbying for 5 years after leaving congress, a start?

Wikipedia: Lobbying

In politics, lobbying, persuasion, or interest representation is the act of lawfully attempting to influence the actions, policies, or decisions of government officials, most often legislators or members of regulatory agencies. Lobbying, which usually involves direct, face-to-face contact, is done by many types of people, associations and organized groups, including individuals in the private sector, corporations, fellow legislators or government officials, or advocacy groups (interest groups). Lobbyists may be among a legislator's constituencies, meaning a voter or bloc of voters within their electoral district; they may engage in lobbying as a business. Professional lobbyists are people whose business is trying to influence legislation, regulation, or other government decisions, actions, or policies on behalf of a group or individual who hires them. Individuals and nonprofit organizations can also lobby as an act of volunteering or as a small part of their normal job. Governments often define and regulate organized group lobbying that has become influential.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I think we need to start with the (Professional Lobbyist) legal firms who are directly tied to congressional public servants?

We need to have the elected officials accountable to their voting constituents, not a professional lobbying firm?

Wikipedia: Lobbying

In politics, lobbying, persuasion, or interest representation is the act of lawfully attempting to influence the actions, policies, or decisions of government officials, most often legislators or members of regulatory agencies. Lobbying, which usually involves direct, face-to-face contact, is done by many types of people, associations and organized groups, including individuals in the private sector, corporations, fellow legislators or government officials, or advocacy groups (interest groups). Lobbyists may be among a legislator's constituencies, meaning a voter or bloc of voters within their electoral district; they may engage in lobbying as a business. Professional lobbyists are people whose business is trying to influence legislation, regulation, or other government decisions, actions, or policies on behalf of a group or individual who hires them. Individuals and nonprofit organizations can also lobby as an act of volunteering or as a small part of their normal job. Governments often define and regulate organized group lobbying that has become influential.
Yah I was just wondering because I believe the people should have the ability to persuade but professional lobbying should not be the only way to hear the opinion about key topics.
 

Robertt

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Trump or Biden? Surely it has to be Trump. If it isn't we are in trouble. If it is we are still in trouble. Brace yourself - 2021 will be interesting.
The one God wants to win always wins...

Chrisitians are then to pray for their leaders.

Remember Democracy is not Gods system it is mans system.
 

Truth7t7

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Yah I was just wondering because I believe the people should have the ability to persuade but professional lobbying should not be the only way to hear the opinion about key topics.
Professional lobbying is nothing more than legalized bribery

Carry the bill to the floor, here's $50 million to grease palms for support in Congress, the bill supports a import shipping company, that puts Americans out of work?

Were not talking about an American company, Boeing, Lockheed, trying to get a government defense contract, it's the lobbyist selling America out as explained, to foreign interest

Remove suspend import tariffs is the biggie, hurting American jobs?

Of course your going to have political corruption in bribery always, but you need to focus on what's deeply hurting Americans first?

Pharmaceuticals charging 10X on Americans, being sold out by the politicians and lobbyist?

It's so big, we need to start somewhere, and I believe the professional lobbying firms is the start?
 
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The one God wants to win always wins...

Chrisitians are then to pray for their leaders.

Remember Democracy is not Gods system it is mans system.
Why would God want a fraudulent, pro-abortionist racist suffering from dementia as President? And don’t say God’s ways are not our ways; God is righteous and does not approve of fraudulence.
 

Robertt

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Why would God want a fraudulent, pro-abortionist racist suffering from dementia as President? And don’t say God’s ways are not our ways; God is righteous and does not approve of fraudulence.
Why ? because God has a plan. WE dont all know that plan. Read the bible and see how it shows how God clearly raises leaders to do as his plan. He needed Herod in Jersusalme and Pilate in place to have the outcome of Jesus Sacrificed for our sins.
So yes even bad leaders are selected by God.

Either Jesus is in control or man is....
 
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Why ? because God has a plan. WE dont all know that plan. Read the bible and see how it shows how God clearly raises leaders to do as his plan. He needed Herod in Jersusalme and Pilate in place to have the outcome of Jesus Sacrificed for our sins.
So yes even bad leaders are selected by God.

Either Jesus is in control or man is....
Jesus has been sacrificed for our sins, that is correct. Now come to this side of the cross and rejoice in the age of grace.

If biden gets in it was done so by fraudulent means. If God is in control of this that means God had an active part in fraudulence.
 
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Why ? because God has a plan. WE dont all know that plan. Read the bible and see how it shows how God clearly raises leaders to do as his plan. He needed Herod in Jersusalme and Pilate in place to have the outcome of Jesus Sacrificed for our sins.
So yes even bad leaders are selected by God.

Either Jesus is in control or man is....
This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.’ Daniel 4:17
 
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Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. Romans 13:1
 

Truth7t7

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The one God wants to win always wins...

Chrisitians are then to pray for their leaders.

Remember Democracy is not Gods system it is mans system.
Kings, Governors, And Ordinances/Laws are Gods plan, for the punishment of evildoers, and to reward those that do well

We should participate in this system established by God for the punishment of evildoers, with Biden/Harris being at the top of the evildoer list

Those that have moved in criminal election fraud need to be punished as evildoers, as Gods words explain

Those that kill the unborn (Abortion) and support homosexuality in same sex marriage are evildoers, Biden/Harris its that simple

1 Peter 2:13-16KJV
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
 

Truth7t7

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Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. Romans 13:1
Can you please reference the translation used, thanks
 
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This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.’ Daniel 4:17
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The Biden crime family called to say they appreciates your servility and debasing scripture to further their malignant goals !
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Can you please reference the translation used, thanks
Rom. 13:1
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Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. NASB

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. NKJV

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. KJV
 
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