How many beleive we are in the Tribulation period now and why
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No such thing as a 7 year tribulation found in scripture
The bible teaches 1260 days, 42 months, 3.5 years
Daniel's 70 weeks are literal days, not years as is falsely taught
Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?
Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.
If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written
(Four hundred and ninety years), simple
Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.
Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.
Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.
Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.
When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.
62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.
The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.
The 3.5 year tribulation has started.
Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The bible teaches 1260 days, 42 months, 3.5 years
Daniel's 70 weeks are literal days, not years as is falsely taught
Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?
Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.
If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written
(Four hundred and ninety years), simple
Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.
Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.
Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.
Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.
When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.
62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.
The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.
The 3.5 year tribulation has started.
Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This aint even close, id say just a few decades ago during world war 2 we were in much worse shape!
To the average american the price of gas going up is the apocalypse, but if you look back in history, things are actuallly going really smooth today, smoother than ever really. Less wars than ever, in fact outside of the little conflict in Azerbaijan/Armenia there are no countries really at war with each other, its largely civil wars nowadays.
But THAT is exactly the exciting thing about it, remember. WHEN THEY SHALL SAY; "PEACE AND SAFETY" sudden destruction will come upon them.
So that tells me that we are living in the time BEFORE the sudden destructioin right now. Thats just my opinion. Even though its peaceful now, I can see it hanging by a thread, lots of stuff going on behind the scenes. Especially now with this covid-19 scam.
To the average american the price of gas going up is the apocalypse, but if you look back in history, things are actuallly going really smooth today, smoother than ever really. Less wars than ever, in fact outside of the little conflict in Azerbaijan/Armenia there are no countries really at war with each other, its largely civil wars nowadays.
But THAT is exactly the exciting thing about it, remember. WHEN THEY SHALL SAY; "PEACE AND SAFETY" sudden destruction will come upon them.
So that tells me that we are living in the time BEFORE the sudden destructioin right now. Thats just my opinion. Even though its peaceful now, I can see it hanging by a thread, lots of stuff going on behind the scenes. Especially now with this covid-19 scam.
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I would like to answer "yes" to your poll but I also believe it has spanned longer than 7 years.
From a historicist's perspective, I believe the world is at the tail-end of the great tribulation, with the astronomical signs in heaven and earthly sign occurring today, to be followed by the appearance of the Son of Man very, very, very soon.
Why?
I'll try to summarize in less than 10000 characters lol...
1) Luke 21 says the targets of the GT are "this people" (the Jews), not the world
2) The Messiah said these days of tremendous suffering would begin sometime after the desolation of Jerusalem (70 AD)
3) Luke 21 says The GT would last until the "time of the gentiles" is fulfilled
4) Romans 11 explains that the fall of Israel would be "the riches of the nations" and "salvation to the gentiles" (time of the gentiles) until the fullness of the gentiles comes in.
So the GT = the time of the gentiles = the Church age. The Gentiles would receive the gospel while Israel suffers through persecution for rejecting their Messiah. Of course, this would also mean the "man of sin" has been here persecuting Israel (through the mystery of iniquity like Paul mentions already at work in his time), which I believe is the Papacy. The office started out as a bishopric in Rome.
From a historicist's perspective, I believe the world is at the tail-end of the great tribulation, with the astronomical signs in heaven and earthly sign occurring today, to be followed by the appearance of the Son of Man very, very, very soon.
Why?
I'll try to summarize in less than 10000 characters lol...
1) Luke 21 says the targets of the GT are "this people" (the Jews), not the world
2) The Messiah said these days of tremendous suffering would begin sometime after the desolation of Jerusalem (70 AD)
3) Luke 21 says The GT would last until the "time of the gentiles" is fulfilled
4) Romans 11 explains that the fall of Israel would be "the riches of the nations" and "salvation to the gentiles" (time of the gentiles) until the fullness of the gentiles comes in.
So the GT = the time of the gentiles = the Church age. The Gentiles would receive the gospel while Israel suffers through persecution for rejecting their Messiah. Of course, this would also mean the "man of sin" has been here persecuting Israel (through the mystery of iniquity like Paul mentions already at work in his time), which I believe is the Papacy. The office started out as a bishopric in Rome.
Well, it depends on whether one was part of the covenant at Mt. Sinai or not, and when one was born.
I'd say for those who lived through the starvation & decimation of Jerusalem, the exile and constant migration, the torture of the inquisitions (burnings, stretching, hangings, etc), the plagues of the dark ages, the holy wars, the poverty of the middle ages, the slavery, two world wars including the atomic bomb...it was pretty terrible.
I'd say for those who lived through the starvation & decimation of Jerusalem, the exile and constant migration, the torture of the inquisitions (burnings, stretching, hangings, etc), the plagues of the dark ages, the holy wars, the poverty of the middle ages, the slavery, two world wars including the atomic bomb...it was pretty terrible.
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No, because ...
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6
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The 7 years is The three and a haft YESUAH preached, and went to the cross in the middle of the week, and three and a haft years later they stoned Stephen, And this ended ISRAEL as GOD's Chosen Nation, to get HIS word out to the World, And that is when the GOSLEL went out to the World,
And became to who so ever will, Let him come and drink the water of life,
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself, this is JESUS, He was put on the CROSS in the middle of the week, And when He died on the CROSS, It stop
JESUS was not cut off for HIM SELF, BUT HE WAS cut off for US,
in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, This is what happen when JESUS died; on the cross, The Sacrificial laws ended, and the hand writings of Moses that was against was nailed to the cross, JESUS WAS the last sacrifice, This is not the antichrist,, IT is JESUS, But they are trying to call JESUS the antichrist HERE.
And became to who so ever will, Let him come and drink the water of life,
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself, this is JESUS, He was put on the CROSS in the middle of the week, And when He died on the CROSS, It stop
JESUS was not cut off for HIM SELF, BUT HE WAS cut off for US,
in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, This is what happen when JESUS died; on the cross, The Sacrificial laws ended, and the hand writings of Moses that was against was nailed to the cross, JESUS WAS the last sacrifice, This is not the antichrist,, IT is JESUS, But they are trying to call JESUS the antichrist HERE.
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Totally agree with you on this. In opposition to those who are caught in that time of sudden destruction, of believers it says:
"But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness."
"But you, brothers," infers the opposite of sudden destruction, i.e. believers will not experience that sudden destruction. And how will we escape this time of destruction? By what Paul said in the previous chapter when he taught about the living being changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
I would also add, that Paul compared that sudden destruction to labor pains on a pregnant woman. Anyone who knows anything about a woman in labor is that the pains start of mild and far apart and continue to get more intense and closer together. This is exactly how it will happen during the time of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. In other words, that sudden destruction is spread out over that seven year time period.
"But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness."
"But you, brothers," infers the opposite of sudden destruction, i.e. believers will not experience that sudden destruction. And how will we escape this time of destruction? By what Paul said in the previous chapter when he taught about the living being changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
I would also add, that Paul compared that sudden destruction to labor pains on a pregnant woman. Anyone who knows anything about a woman in labor is that the pains start of mild and far apart and continue to get more intense and closer together. This is exactly how it will happen during the time of God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. In other words, that sudden destruction is spread out over that seven year time period.
Hi Yahshua!
"For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short."
Based on the scripture above, which states that the great tribulation will be unequaled from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again," how could you believe that we are at the tail end? In addition, Jesus said that it will be so bad that if those days were allowed to go on any longer, no one would be left alive.
The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will make up the majority of God's wrath during the tribulation/great tribulation. That said, with just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet, that would equal over half the earths population killed in just the first 3 1/2 years and that is not including trumpets 1, 2 and 3, nor the fatalities from the bowl judgments.
There is just no way that the time prior or our current status fits the great tribulation.
Another example would be, that if we were at the tail end of the great tribulation, the world would have seen the 5th trumpet sounded, with the result being those demonic beings that resemble locusts released from the Abyss. During that time the inhabitants of the earth will be stung by these things like the sting of a scorpion. However, that plague of wrath is only for torment, because no one will be able to die to get away from it. We surely haven't seen these things coming up out of the Abyss.
And what about the sounding of the 1st trumpet, where a third of the earth and trees are burned up? The world has never seen such a thing.
And what about the sounding of the 6th trumpet, where those four angels and their demonic army of 200 million kill a third of mankind? We have not yet seen anything like that!
The conclusion then, can only be that we have not even entered the tribulation period, much less the great tribulation.
"For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short."
Based on the scripture above, which states that the great tribulation will be unequaled from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again," how could you believe that we are at the tail end? In addition, Jesus said that it will be so bad that if those days were allowed to go on any longer, no one would be left alive.
The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will make up the majority of God's wrath during the tribulation/great tribulation. That said, with just the 4th seal and the 6th trumpet, that would equal over half the earths population killed in just the first 3 1/2 years and that is not including trumpets 1, 2 and 3, nor the fatalities from the bowl judgments.
There is just no way that the time prior or our current status fits the great tribulation.
Another example would be, that if we were at the tail end of the great tribulation, the world would have seen the 5th trumpet sounded, with the result being those demonic beings that resemble locusts released from the Abyss. During that time the inhabitants of the earth will be stung by these things like the sting of a scorpion. However, that plague of wrath is only for torment, because no one will be able to die to get away from it. We surely haven't seen these things coming up out of the Abyss.
And what about the sounding of the 1st trumpet, where a third of the earth and trees are burned up? The world has never seen such a thing.
And what about the sounding of the 6th trumpet, where those four angels and their demonic army of 200 million kill a third of mankind? We have not yet seen anything like that!
The conclusion then, can only be that we have not even entered the tribulation period, much less the great tribulation.
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Hi Bud62!
In Revelation 13, there are two beasts mentioned, the antichrist is the first beast and the second beast is the false prophet.
These two have not yet been revealed.
It is the antichrist/first beast, who receives the deadly wound, which he survives and which will be done for the purpose of deception. The deadly wound is defined as 'a death blow' meaning that it is something that is obviously fatal and is not recoverable. It is his survival of this deadly wound that deceives the inhabitants of the earth. Again, this is a future event that will take place after the church has been gathered and during the beginning of the beasts reign.
In Revelation 13, there are two beasts mentioned, the antichrist is the first beast and the second beast is the false prophet.
These two have not yet been revealed.
It is the antichrist/first beast, who receives the deadly wound, which he survives and which will be done for the purpose of deception. The deadly wound is defined as 'a death blow' meaning that it is something that is obviously fatal and is not recoverable. It is his survival of this deadly wound that deceives the inhabitants of the earth. Again, this is a future event that will take place after the church has been gathered and during the beginning of the beasts reign.