The goel. The little known title of God.

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Angela53510 said:
If we aren't brothers and sisters to Jesus in the family of God, then who are we? No, we are not blood relatives, but neither are millions of Jews throughout time. If I converted to Judaism tomorrow, would that make me a relative of Jesus? My genetics would not change, and personally, as a Christian I am much closer to Jesus than a Jew who doesn't believe in him would ever be. Interesting thoughts, as I just realized the term "redeemer" is missing from the NT. I didn't realize it was only in Hebrew. Sometimes the Greek has its own word, and sometimes, like Immanuel and Emmanuel, the word is transliterated. But, that does not mean we ignore the term now. The metaphors, and literal stories all have value to us as Christians, in defining who Jesus is, and who we are to him.

One note, the Israelis are the people that live in Israel now, since 1948. The Israelites were the one who crossed the Red Sea, came to Israel and established themselves, and were finally removed after the Fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, also called the Diaspora, as per James 1. That is a word basically transliterated to English!

And thank you for your kind words above.
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That you are NOW a relative of our Lord Jesus is not disputed. My question was, is our Lord Jesus Relative-Redeemer to us before we are born to the same Father? That is, while we were still enemies. That He was Relative-Redeemer to Israel is through Jacob, for all the Tribes came from his loins. Luke displays our Lord as the fulfillment of the Jubilee where every Israelite is redeemed and restored back to his inheritance.
 
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Interesting, but I don't think it's a title for God. It does relate to God and Jesus as redeemer.
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I agree. It is the designation of a Man. To be a "kinsman" a man must come from the same father (or extension like great grandfather). Paul defines this in Romans 9. All Israel are his kinsmen according to the flesh. Our Lord Jesus comes from Abraham via Jacob according to the flesh. Israel have refused our Lord Jesus so there is no rebirth. They could never be Kinsmen according to the Spirit.
 
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Corban said:
That you are NOW a relative of our Lord Jesus is not disputed. My question was, is our Lord Jesus Relative-Redeemer to us before we are born to the same Father? That is, while we were still enemies. That He was Relative-Redeemer to Israel is through Jacob, for all the Tribes came from his loins. Luke displays our Lord as the fulfillment of the Jubilee where every Israelite is redeemed and restored back to his inheritance.
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He is goel to the meek. Only they will inherit the earth.
 
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He is goel to the meek. Only they will inherit the earth.
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By association I can agree with you. But the word "go'el", as has been minutely discussed, means "kinsman". This is only by having the same father, grandfather, great grandfather etc. The murmuring Israelites of the wilderness and the proud Pharisees are still "kinsmen" of Jesus via Jacob.
 
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Corban said:
By association I can agree with you. But the word "go'el", as has been minutely discussed, means "kinsman". This is only by having the same father, grandfather, great grandfather etc. The murmuring Israelites of the wilderness and the proud Pharisees are still "kinsmen" of Jesus via Jacob.
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And so Jesus is qualified because he is the Lamb slain form the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD before there was a nation of Israel which was used to bring forth the seed but never did the covenant exclude the hope of all mankind it was always about being a blessing to all nations. The mystery that one can clearly understand in hindsight today is that God always intended to reconcile all mankind by the Lamb. It is about the planet earth and not just the Middle East.

So the case for it can be seen in the first Protoevangelium found in Gen 3:15

Israel was typology. The people were instructed by the typology before there were the great body of scriptures we have today.
 
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And so Jesus is qualified because he is the Lamb slain form the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD before there was a nation of Israel which was used to bring forth the seed but never did the covenant exclude the hope of all mankind it was always about being a blessing to all nations. The mystery that one can clearly understand in hindsight today is that God always intended to reconcile all mankind by the Lamb. It is about the planet earth and not just the Middle East.

So the case for it can be seen in the first Protoevangelium found in Gen 3:15

Israel was typology. The people were instructed by the typology before there were the great body of scriptures we have today.
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The slaying of Jesus does not make Him kinsman to anyone. Blessing all the familes of the earth also does not make Him kinsman. The Law of the shoe was part of the Covenant with Moses, not Abraham. The Covenant of Law was only given to Israel. But, hey brother, we're not really contributing with this dispute over a word. Let us join together and appreciate that our Lord Jesus, like Boaz, did His duty according to Law. Let us also appreciate that He went over and above Law for us Gentiles.
 
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