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Vee Verr only following Der Fuehrers orders
The last time I asked the RN looked at the vial and read the name so I could google it.
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This is pretty accurate concerning the knowledge of the RNs. No offense to knowledgeable RNs but every time I get the flu shot I ask the RN can she tell me about the particular vaccine I am getting, how it is made, what it is in it. It is as if I have angered her. They look at me with a frown. And then say something like I will have the desk print out some information (i.e I have no idea) Then the desk prints out page from the internet explaining why Flu shots are important.
The last time I asked the RN looked at the vial and read the name so I could google it.
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The last time I asked the RN looked at the vial and read the name so I could google it.
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Or RNs could read the literature and and communicate about how that specific vaccine works and communicate that much information. I don't understand why they are not required to know anything but how to inject. The doctor is usually not there so they should be required to have at least a minimum of information to answer questions. But I have yet to have one who could. And my questions are always the easy ones that they could have found out just from reading the literature that comes with the dosage. LOL. So remember this the next time you see a conspiracy theory from an RN. They are not knowledgeable experts. Most have had two years tech schooling if that .
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Read about the poison these people were pressured to take with a rushed swine flu vaccine that was supposed to be safe and effective:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe
https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe
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I read that article. 1) It was in Europe and not the USA. 2) This article is simply people who make claims. They might be telling the truth but we need scientific data to determine whether there was a link to the vaccine.
So I found this and if we follow the trail of research we can make an informed decision.
Narcolepsy Following 2009 Pandemrix Influenza Vaccination in Europe
An increased risk of narcolepsy was found following vaccination with Pandemrix, a monovalent 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine that was used in several European countries during the H1N1 influenza pandemic. This risk was initially found in Finland, and then other European countries also detected an association.
Background
Narcolepsy is a central nervous system disorder characterized by excessive daytime sleepiness (EDS) and abnormal manifestations of rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. This disorder is caused by the brain’s inability to regulate sleep-wake cycles normally, but it can be treated with medication and behavior modification. About narcolepsy and other sleep disorders.
Pandemrix is manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline in Europe and was specifically produced for pandemic 2009 H1N1 influenza. It was not used before 2009, and has not been used since the influenza pandemic season (2009-2010). It contains an oil-in-water emulsion adjuvant called ASO3. Adjuvants are substances added to a vaccine to increase the body’s immune response to that vaccine. More about adjuvants.
Pandemrix was not licensed for use in the United States.
CDC Vaccine Safety Efforts and Research
In response to the events in Europe, CDC reviewed data from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) and found no indication of any association between U.S.-licensed H1N1 or seasonal influenza vaccine and narcolepsy.
In 2014, CDC published a study to assess the occurrence of narcolepsy following vaccination with 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine or 2010-2011 seasonal influenza vaccine, both of which contained the 2009 H1N1 virus strain (more about types of influenza viruses). The analysis included more than 650,000 people who received the 2009 pandemic flu vaccine and over 870,000 people who received the 2010-2011 seasonal flu vaccine. The study found that vaccination with influenza vaccines containing the 2009 H1N1 virus strain used in the United States was not associated with an increased risk for narcolepsy.
Source: Narcolepsy and influenza A (H1N1) pandemic 2009 vaccination in the United States [Neurology. 2014]external icon
In 2018, a study team including CDC scientists analyzed and published vaccine safety data on adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccines (arenaprix-AS03, Focetria-MF59, and Pandemrix-AS03) from 10 global study sites. Researchers did not detect any associations between the vaccines and narcolepsy.
CDC recommends influenza vaccination as the best way to protect from influenza disease and its complications. See CDC influenza vaccine recommendations.
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Weibel D, Sturkenboom M, et al. Narcolepsy and Adjuvanted Pandemic Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Vaccines – Multi-country Assessmentexternal icon Vaccine. 2018 Oct 1;26(41):6202-6211.
Duffy J, Weintraub E, Vellozzi C, DeStefano F; Vaccine Safety Datalink. Narcolepsy and influenza A(H1N1) pandemic 2009 vaccination in the United Statesexternal icon. Neurology. 2014 Nov 11;83(20):1823-30.
European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control. Narcolepsy in association with pandemic influenza vaccination (a multi-country European epidemiological investigation)external icon. Stockholm: ECDC; September 2012.
Eurosurveillance editorial team. Swedish Medical Products Agency publishes report from a case inventory study on Pandemrix vaccination and development of narcolepsy with cataplexyexternal icon. Euro Surveill. 2011;16(26).
Miller E, Andrews N, Stellitano L, Stowe J, Winstone AM, Shneerson J, et al. Risk of narcolepsy in children and young people receiving AS03 adjuvanted pandemic A/H1N1 2009 influenza vaccine: retrospective analysis.external icon BMJ. 2013;346:f794
Nohynek H, Jokinen J, Partinen M, Vaarala O, Kirjavainen T, Sundman J, et al. AS03 adjuvanted AH1N1 vaccine associated with an abrupt increase in the incidence of childhood narcolepsy in Finlandexternal icon. PLoS One. 2012;7(3):e33536.
Partinen M, Saarenpää-Heikkilä O, Ilveskoski I, Hublin C, Linna M, Olsén P, et al. Increased incidence and clinical picture of childhood narcolepsy following the 2009 H1N1 pandemic vaccination campaign in Finlandexternal icon. PLoS One. 2012;7(3):e33723.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html
Now people can say that they don't want to read any sources that come from links found on the CDC site because they think that the CDC is lying but I believe that these sources and the CDC summary data on this page is a more credible source than that article from Buzzfeed.
So I found this and if we follow the trail of research we can make an informed decision.
Narcolepsy Following 2009 Pandemrix Influenza Vaccination in Europe
An increased risk of narcolepsy was found following vaccination with Pandemrix, a monovalent 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine that was used in several European countries during the H1N1 influenza pandemic. This risk was initially found in Finland, and then other European countries also detected an association.
Background
Narcolepsy is a central nervous system disorder characterized by excessive daytime sleepiness (EDS) and abnormal manifestations of rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. This disorder is caused by the brain’s inability to regulate sleep-wake cycles normally, but it can be treated with medication and behavior modification. About narcolepsy and other sleep disorders.
Pandemrix is manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline in Europe and was specifically produced for pandemic 2009 H1N1 influenza. It was not used before 2009, and has not been used since the influenza pandemic season (2009-2010). It contains an oil-in-water emulsion adjuvant called ASO3. Adjuvants are substances added to a vaccine to increase the body’s immune response to that vaccine. More about adjuvants.
Pandemrix was not licensed for use in the United States.
CDC Vaccine Safety Efforts and Research
In response to the events in Europe, CDC reviewed data from the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) and found no indication of any association between U.S.-licensed H1N1 or seasonal influenza vaccine and narcolepsy.
In 2014, CDC published a study to assess the occurrence of narcolepsy following vaccination with 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine or 2010-2011 seasonal influenza vaccine, both of which contained the 2009 H1N1 virus strain (more about types of influenza viruses). The analysis included more than 650,000 people who received the 2009 pandemic flu vaccine and over 870,000 people who received the 2010-2011 seasonal flu vaccine. The study found that vaccination with influenza vaccines containing the 2009 H1N1 virus strain used in the United States was not associated with an increased risk for narcolepsy.
Source: Narcolepsy and influenza A (H1N1) pandemic 2009 vaccination in the United States [Neurology. 2014]external icon
In 2018, a study team including CDC scientists analyzed and published vaccine safety data on adjuvanted pH1N1 vaccines (arenaprix-AS03, Focetria-MF59, and Pandemrix-AS03) from 10 global study sites. Researchers did not detect any associations between the vaccines and narcolepsy.
- Incidence rate study data did not show a rise in the rate of narcolepsy following vaccination except in the one signaling country included (Sweden, which used Pandemrix).
- Case-control analyses for Arepanrix-AS03 did not show evidence of an increased risk of narcolepsy.
- Case-coverage analysis for Pandemrix-ASO3 in children in the Netherlands did not show evidence of an increased risk of narcolepsy, but the number of exposed cases was small (N=7).
- Cases-control analysis for Focetria-MF59 did not show evidence of an increased risk of narcolepsy.
CDC recommends influenza vaccination as the best way to protect from influenza disease and its complications. See CDC influenza vaccine recommendations.
Top of Page
Related Scientific Articles
Weibel D, Sturkenboom M, et al. Narcolepsy and Adjuvanted Pandemic Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Vaccines – Multi-country Assessmentexternal icon Vaccine. 2018 Oct 1;26(41):6202-6211.
Duffy J, Weintraub E, Vellozzi C, DeStefano F; Vaccine Safety Datalink. Narcolepsy and influenza A(H1N1) pandemic 2009 vaccination in the United Statesexternal icon. Neurology. 2014 Nov 11;83(20):1823-30.
European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control. Narcolepsy in association with pandemic influenza vaccination (a multi-country European epidemiological investigation)external icon. Stockholm: ECDC; September 2012.
Eurosurveillance editorial team. Swedish Medical Products Agency publishes report from a case inventory study on Pandemrix vaccination and development of narcolepsy with cataplexyexternal icon. Euro Surveill. 2011;16(26).
Miller E, Andrews N, Stellitano L, Stowe J, Winstone AM, Shneerson J, et al. Risk of narcolepsy in children and young people receiving AS03 adjuvanted pandemic A/H1N1 2009 influenza vaccine: retrospective analysis.external icon BMJ. 2013;346:f794
Nohynek H, Jokinen J, Partinen M, Vaarala O, Kirjavainen T, Sundman J, et al. AS03 adjuvanted AH1N1 vaccine associated with an abrupt increase in the incidence of childhood narcolepsy in Finlandexternal icon. PLoS One. 2012;7(3):e33536.
Partinen M, Saarenpää-Heikkilä O, Ilveskoski I, Hublin C, Linna M, Olsén P, et al. Increased incidence and clinical picture of childhood narcolepsy following the 2009 H1N1 pandemic vaccination campaign in Finlandexternal icon. PLoS One. 2012;7(3):e33723.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html
Now people can say that they don't want to read any sources that come from links found on the CDC site because they think that the CDC is lying but I believe that these sources and the CDC summary data on this page is a more credible source than that article from Buzzfeed.
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There were roughly 5 times as many vaccinated children, as unvaccinated. Therefore, if vaccinated children were as healthy as unvaccinated, there would be roughly 5 times as many vaccinated children reporting with a fever (allowing for statistical variations). So if 17 unvaccinated children reported with a fever, you would expect (roughly) 5 x 17 = 85 vaccinated children reporting with a fever, if the health of vaxxed and unvaxxed was equal. That there is nearly 10x this number of vaccinated children reporting with fever (759) shows that vaccinated children are close to 10x as likely to get fevers. The same with the other ailments. Vaccinations cause sickness.
That such information isn't found in the vaccine trials is testament to the false science used in the trials (and the short trial duration). Big Pharma don't use a placebo in their trials in the true, scientific sense of the word - they substitute the placebo for a dangerous vaccine. So no health differences are measured, because all vaccines are toxic. But this doesn't provide true information on how much unhealthier a vaccine is than no vaccine at all.
That such information isn't found in the vaccine trials is testament to the false science used in the trials (and the short trial duration). Big Pharma don't use a placebo in their trials in the true, scientific sense of the word - they substitute the placebo for a dangerous vaccine. So no health differences are measured, because all vaccines are toxic. But this doesn't provide true information on how much unhealthier a vaccine is than no vaccine at all.
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Yup, I will, I had the flu vax earlier when it was made available. Had the vax for shingles and twinrix for hep. A&B years ago.
CHICAGO, JULY 27, 2020 — Flu (influenza) and pneumonia vaccinations are associated with reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease, according to new research reported at the Alzheimer’s Association International Conference® (AAIC®) 2020.
https://www.alz.org/aaic/releases_2020/vaccines-dementia-risk.asp
CHICAGO, JULY 27, 2020 — Flu (influenza) and pneumonia vaccinations are associated with reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease, according to new research reported at the Alzheimer’s Association International Conference® (AAIC®) 2020.
https://www.alz.org/aaic/releases_2020/vaccines-dementia-risk.asp
Just so you know, Angela - the above quoted statement was intended as a "gentle-jab" at @Scribe - with a serious point to make, but in a suggestively humorous way.
(If think about it for a moment, you should see the humor.)
You see - I don't agree with his views on vaccines; however, I do appreciate that he believes everyone should have the choice to get/take it or not.
I am not against him (personally). We just disagree. I have no ill will towards him. I have no intent to be "caustic" towards him. Or you. Or anyone else.
However, I do at times like to put across some thought or point in a way that is intended to be humorous - in a subtle way - for those who are paying close attention to how it is worded and pick up on it.
(At times I include emoticons; at other times I do not.)
While I may from time to time do such as this, I never "attack" the person themselves. Because, I have nothing against the person. I may disagree with what they say in a post - and address that with a tell-it-like-it-is approach; however, I am not against the person - and, I respect their right to believe what they believe - even if I believe they are wrong or in error. To me, this is part of what the Golden Rule is all about. And, I try to the best of my ability to exercise it with everyone on CC.
I am a "big believer" - "in real life" - of the Golden Rule. I try to live by it the best I can.
Almost everyone on here - I agree with some things they say - and, I disagree with other things they say.
Most people on here no-doubt think about me in the same way.
We are all different. We have some things in common with some folks - more or less so with other folks.
It's not something we should allow ourselves to get bent-out-of-shape-about.
One of the reasons I don't worry too much about this kind of thing ----- we all get our turn on Judgment Day.
And, there is another reason:
"We don't have time for that crap."
Most people on CC don't really understand - like I do - just how important it is right now for Christians everywhere to "be on the same page" with regard to the things that are going on in the world today.
We are truly approaching the End Times Scenario.
Those who wish to spend their time fighting and squabbling with each other over petty stuff - and, being quick-to-be-offended by every-little-thing - rather than utilizing things like [this site] to encourage and edify each other - and, increase in knowledge, understanding, communication, etc. - are "part of the problem and not the solution"...
In all of this, I am speaking "in general to the public ear" - no part of it is being directed at you specifically.
If you wish to 'disagree' with the 'idea'/'point' that I was putting forth - that is your right. I just wanted you to know that my statement was meant, in part, in a "playful" way - because, I can see the 'humanity' in Scribe - even if I think he is "severly deceived" about vaccines...
(If think about it for a moment, you should see the humor.)
You see - I don't agree with his views on vaccines; however, I do appreciate that he believes everyone should have the choice to get/take it or not.
I am not against him (personally). We just disagree. I have no ill will towards him. I have no intent to be "caustic" towards him. Or you. Or anyone else.
However, I do at times like to put across some thought or point in a way that is intended to be humorous - in a subtle way - for those who are paying close attention to how it is worded and pick up on it.
(At times I include emoticons; at other times I do not.)
While I may from time to time do such as this, I never "attack" the person themselves. Because, I have nothing against the person. I may disagree with what they say in a post - and address that with a tell-it-like-it-is approach; however, I am not against the person - and, I respect their right to believe what they believe - even if I believe they are wrong or in error. To me, this is part of what the Golden Rule is all about. And, I try to the best of my ability to exercise it with everyone on CC.
I am a "big believer" - "in real life" - of the Golden Rule. I try to live by it the best I can.
Almost everyone on here - I agree with some things they say - and, I disagree with other things they say.
Most people on here no-doubt think about me in the same way.
We are all different. We have some things in common with some folks - more or less so with other folks.
It's not something we should allow ourselves to get bent-out-of-shape-about.
One of the reasons I don't worry too much about this kind of thing ----- we all get our turn on Judgment Day.
And, there is another reason:
"We don't have time for that crap."
Most people on CC don't really understand - like I do - just how important it is right now for Christians everywhere to "be on the same page" with regard to the things that are going on in the world today.
We are truly approaching the End Times Scenario.
Those who wish to spend their time fighting and squabbling with each other over petty stuff - and, being quick-to-be-offended by every-little-thing - rather than utilizing things like [this site] to encourage and edify each other - and, increase in knowledge, understanding, communication, etc. - are "part of the problem and not the solution"...
In all of this, I am speaking "in general to the public ear" - no part of it is being directed at you specifically.
If you wish to 'disagree' with the 'idea'/'point' that I was putting forth - that is your right. I just wanted you to know that my statement was meant, in part, in a "playful" way - because, I can see the 'humanity' in Scribe - even if I think he is "severly deceived" about vaccines...
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Just so you know, Angela - the above quoted statement was intended as a "gentle-jab" at @Scribe - with a serious point to make, but in a suggestively humorous way.
(If think about it for a moment, you should see the humor.)
You see - I don't agree with his views on vaccines; however, I do appreciate that he believes everyone should have the choice to get/take it or not.
I am not against him (personally). We just disagree. I have no ill will towards him. I have no intent to be "caustic" towards him. Or you. Or anyone else.
However, I do at times like to put across some thought or point in a way that is intended to be humorous - in a subtle way - for those who are paying close attention to how it is worded and pick up on it.
(At times I include emoticons; at other times I do not.)
While I may from time to time do such as this, I never "attack" the person themselves. Because, I have nothing against the person. I may disagree with what they say in a post - and address that with a tell-it-like-it-is approach; however, I am not against the person - and, I respect their right to believe what they believe - even if I believe they are wrong or in error. To me, this is part of what the Golden Rule is all about. And, I try to the best of my ability to exercise it with everyone on CC.
I am a "big believer" - "in real life" - of the Golden Rule. I try to live by it the best I can.
Almost everyone on here - I agree with some things they say - and, I disagree with other things they say.
Most people on here no-doubt think about me in the same way.
We are all different. We have some things in common with some folks - more or less so with other folks.
It's not something we should allow ourselves to get bent-out-of-shape-about.
One of the reasons I don't worry too much about this kind of thing ----- we all get our turn on Judgment Day.
And, there is another reason:
"We don't have time for that crap."
Most people on CC don't really understand - like I do - just how important it is right now for Christians everywhere to "be on the same page" with regard to the things that are going on in the world today.
We are truly approaching the End Times Scenario.
Those who wish to spend their time fighting and squabbling with each other over petty stuff - and, being quick-to-be-offended by every-little-thing - rather than utilizing things like [this site] to encourage and edify each other - and, increase in knowledge, understanding, communication, etc. - are "part of the problem and not the solution"...
In all of this, I am speaking "in general to the public ear" - no part of it is being directed at you specifically.
If you wish to 'disagree' with the 'idea'/'point' that I was putting forth - that is your right. I just wanted you to know that my statement was meant, in part, in a "playful" way - because, I can see the 'humanity' in Scribe - even if I think he is "severly deceived" about vaccines...
(If think about it for a moment, you should see the humor.)
You see - I don't agree with his views on vaccines; however, I do appreciate that he believes everyone should have the choice to get/take it or not.
I am not against him (personally). We just disagree. I have no ill will towards him. I have no intent to be "caustic" towards him. Or you. Or anyone else.
However, I do at times like to put across some thought or point in a way that is intended to be humorous - in a subtle way - for those who are paying close attention to how it is worded and pick up on it.
(At times I include emoticons; at other times I do not.)
While I may from time to time do such as this, I never "attack" the person themselves. Because, I have nothing against the person. I may disagree with what they say in a post - and address that with a tell-it-like-it-is approach; however, I am not against the person - and, I respect their right to believe what they believe - even if I believe they are wrong or in error. To me, this is part of what the Golden Rule is all about. And, I try to the best of my ability to exercise it with everyone on CC.
I am a "big believer" - "in real life" - of the Golden Rule. I try to live by it the best I can.
Almost everyone on here - I agree with some things they say - and, I disagree with other things they say.
Most people on here no-doubt think about me in the same way.
We are all different. We have some things in common with some folks - more or less so with other folks.
It's not something we should allow ourselves to get bent-out-of-shape-about.
One of the reasons I don't worry too much about this kind of thing ----- we all get our turn on Judgment Day.
And, there is another reason:
"We don't have time for that crap."
Most people on CC don't really understand - like I do - just how important it is right now for Christians everywhere to "be on the same page" with regard to the things that are going on in the world today.
We are truly approaching the End Times Scenario.
Those who wish to spend their time fighting and squabbling with each other over petty stuff - and, being quick-to-be-offended by every-little-thing - rather than utilizing things like [this site] to encourage and edify each other - and, increase in knowledge, understanding, communication, etc. - are "part of the problem and not the solution"...
In all of this, I am speaking "in general to the public ear" - no part of it is being directed at you specifically.
If you wish to 'disagree' with the 'idea'/'point' that I was putting forth - that is your right. I just wanted you to know that my statement was meant, in part, in a "playful" way - because, I can see the 'humanity' in Scribe - even if I think he is "severly deceived" about vaccines...
I am glad that we are able to discuss it without being hateful to one another. It is rather amazing that the Conspiracy Forum as lasted this long without a total meltdown and having to be shut down. It says a lot about the good culture of this site.
I pick up on your friendly demeanor GaryA as well as PennEd and others who know how to consider my rebuttals without being personally offended.
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I read it. They seem mild. Not a show stopper. If I worked with COVID patients at that hospital and was waiting for the vaccine I would be upset that they stopped over this. The COVID sickness is a million times worse for many people who get it. I just spoke with a friend I haven't seen for many years in Philadelphia last night. She has a very healthy lifestyle and she was down for 6 weeks. She said she never gets flus and this was the worst sickness she has ever had. She was literally worried she would not make it.
So what would you rather go through, something like that or "puffy eyes" for a day?
So what would you rather go through, something like that or "puffy eyes" for a day?
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My response was the the fox news article.
As to any adverse affects in 1, 5, 10 years down the road you might be more interested in the COVID 19 vaccines that use the old technology of virus cultures and protein antigens. This technology and the history of these types of vaccines do not have a history of adverse affects years later according to the data I have reviewed on the CDC site. No vaccines have had a history of long term problems.
The mRNA is eliminated soon after it is used and is not present long term. The fats, salts and other molecules in the dosage are all well known harmless molecules that are also eliminated. I am not concerned.
As to any adverse affects in 1, 5, 10 years down the road you might be more interested in the COVID 19 vaccines that use the old technology of virus cultures and protein antigens. This technology and the history of these types of vaccines do not have a history of adverse affects years later according to the data I have reviewed on the CDC site. No vaccines have had a history of long term problems.
The mRNA is eliminated soon after it is used and is not present long term. The fats, salts and other molecules in the dosage are all well known harmless molecules that are also eliminated. I am not concerned.
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