This is a false doctrine based upon eternal salvation by the works of man. Salvation=deliverance according to Greek. There is an eternal deliverance that is by God's sovereign grace, without any action from mankind, and there are many deliverances that we receive as we sojourn here in this world that are due to our good works. When God's children apply all of the salvation scriptures to eternal salvation, they will result in eternal salvation by the works of mankind.
The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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People are not condemned because of personal sin, they are condemned because of unbelief
he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already
this is basic christianity
Satans lie is God does not love, he is selfish, he wants us all to bow to him and do his will as slaves
Gods answer is he loves so much he dies for everyone. But will not force that love on anyone, those who reject his love will remain dead in sin.
yet God is seen as victory, for he died even for them, as you said, we must receive, God will not force us to recieve his love,
never again will there be any doubt of Gods love
i hate to say it. But fatalistic thinking takes away from the part of the true unselfish unending love of God,
he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already
this is basic christianity
Satans lie is God does not love, he is selfish, he wants us all to bow to him and do his will as slaves
Gods answer is he loves so much he dies for everyone. But will not force that love on anyone, those who reject his love will remain dead in sin.
yet God is seen as victory, for he died even for them, as you said, we must receive, God will not force us to recieve his love,
never again will there be any doubt of Gods love
i hate to say it. But fatalistic thinking takes away from the part of the true unselfish unending love of God,
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That would make him force people to bow to his will. Which would make him the God satan professed him to be
God not only has the right to love people and die for them, he has the right to allow them to die against his will.
he proved this with Israel, as he said, his will was to take them under his wing, but they were unwilling
God forces nothing
God not only has the right to love people and die for them, he has the right to allow them to die against his will.
he proved this with Israel, as he said, his will was to take them under his wing, but they were unwilling
God forces nothing
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Are you sure about that? 
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As proof I proffered John 1:29. I know you do not mean to, but now becomes your word against that of the Almighty. Romans 5:12.
"Wherefore, as by one man sin (singular) entered into the world, and death by sin (singular); and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"
Of this "sin" that is NOT committed, but passed on to all men (except Jesus), John 1:29 says;
"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin (singular) of the world."
Next, you again unwittingly go against the Almighty Who does NOT impose guilt for "sin" (singular). Romans 5:14 says;
"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
This in turn again leads you to go against the Words of scripture. You make the removal of sin the ground for entering the Kingdom. But scripture says in John 3:3-5 that a man must be born again to SEE it, and born out of the Spirit and Water to ENTER it. It is true that certain behavior can exclude one from the Kingdom, but these are "sinS" (plural), or "trespasses", not "sin" inherited from Adam.
Adam sinned. It polluted his body and character. This is his transgression. Because God made a law of procreation in Genesis 1:12-13, every one that proceeds from Adam's loins is polluted. This is what scripture calls "sin" (singular). That's why Psalm 51:5 says:
"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."
Our Lord Jesus dies for this matter, not so that men might escape the Lake of Fire, but so that they can be resurrected - for the wages of sin (singular) IS DEATH - not the Lake of Fire.
In light of this, I'm sure you will rethink the matter.
"Wherefore, as by one man sin (singular) entered into the world, and death by sin (singular); and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"
Of this "sin" that is NOT committed, but passed on to all men (except Jesus), John 1:29 says;
"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin (singular) of the world."
Next, you again unwittingly go against the Almighty Who does NOT impose guilt for "sin" (singular). Romans 5:14 says;
"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
This in turn again leads you to go against the Words of scripture. You make the removal of sin the ground for entering the Kingdom. But scripture says in John 3:3-5 that a man must be born again to SEE it, and born out of the Spirit and Water to ENTER it. It is true that certain behavior can exclude one from the Kingdom, but these are "sinS" (plural), or "trespasses", not "sin" inherited from Adam.
Adam sinned. It polluted his body and character. This is his transgression. Because God made a law of procreation in Genesis 1:12-13, every one that proceeds from Adam's loins is polluted. This is what scripture calls "sin" (singular). That's why Psalm 51:5 says:
"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."
Our Lord Jesus dies for this matter, not so that men might escape the Lake of Fire, but so that they can be resurrected - for the wages of sin (singular) IS DEATH - not the Lake of Fire.
In light of this, I'm sure you will rethink the matter.
God would be fair if he let all of us spend our eternity in everlasting torment.
You have misquoted 2 Peter 3:9. It is not "all should come to eternal life", but "all should come to repentance".
In order to see who Peter is referencing, even including himself by using the word "us-ward", we have to go back to 2 Peter 1:1, which tells us that he is referencing "them that have obtained like precious faith with us". "perish=death=separation. Peter is telling them that when they commit a sin they separate themselves from God's fellowship, and that they should come to repentance to regain their fellowship with God.
The unregenerate natural man will not repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness, 1 Cor 2:14. He does not have a spiritual conscience (the new fleshy heart) that can be pricked to feel guilt. The new heart comes with regeneration.
You have misquoted 2 Peter 3:9. It is not "all should come to eternal life", but "all should come to repentance".
In order to see who Peter is referencing, even including himself by using the word "us-ward", we have to go back to 2 Peter 1:1, which tells us that he is referencing "them that have obtained like precious faith with us". "perish=death=separation. Peter is telling them that when they commit a sin they separate themselves from God's fellowship, and that they should come to repentance to regain their fellowship with God.
The unregenerate natural man will not repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness, 1 Cor 2:14. He does not have a spiritual conscience (the new fleshy heart) that can be pricked to feel guilt. The new heart comes with regeneration.
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Yep he would
he would also be unfair if he picked and chose to die for one group and left the rest to suffer what everyone deserves.
he died for all. Those who reject him are those who will suffer.
condemnation is based on unbelief not belief.
imdid not quote it wrong. He is willing none should perish. So he is patient. How many of the elect have been saved because God was patient with them. It’s part of his love that draws people to him
he would also be unfair if he picked and chose to die for one group and left the rest to suffer what everyone deserves.
he died for all. Those who reject him are those who will suffer.
condemnation is based on unbelief not belief.
imdid not quote it wrong. He is willing none should perish. So he is patient. How many of the elect have been saved because God was patient with them. It’s part of his love that draws people to him
The natural unregenerate man only has faith in mankind. 1 Cor 2:11. He has no spiritual faith, because that comes as a fruit of the Holy Spirit, Gal 5:22, which is given in regeneration by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
So, yes, it is God's work, by quickening you from dead works to a spiritual life in Christ.
So, yes, it is God's work, by quickening you from dead works to a spiritual life in Christ.
Salvation=deliverance according to Greek. After we have been born again and commit a sin we separate=death ourselves from our fellowship with God, because God will not fellowship with sin. God is long suffering with his children , to come to repentance, when they have committed a sin. There is a deliverance (salvation) from the effects of sin, with God's forgiveness of the sin
This scripture has no reference to being delivered eternally.
If you reference all salvation scriptures to eternal salvation, they will promote eternal salvation by the good works of mankind. Not by God's sovereign grace.
With your theory that belief is necessary for eternal deliverance, how do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13?
This scripture has no reference to being delivered eternally.
If you reference all salvation scriptures to eternal salvation, they will promote eternal salvation by the good works of mankind. Not by God's sovereign grace.
With your theory that belief is necessary for eternal deliverance, how do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13?
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No, you did not earn your salvation. That is why I am telling you that the scriptures do not uphold the fact that your eternal deliverance comes as a result of your believing, accepting, repenting, confessing, good works, etc. All of these actions of mankind are a result of being born again.
God renamed Jacob to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel. Most all of the time that Israel is mentioned it is referring to Jacob as Israel, not the nation of Israel. Rom 9:6. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. Jacob is representative of God's elect, Rom 9:11. Jacob/Israel throughout their history were in and out of fellowship with God, and we are no different in this day and time.
People in the old testament and the new testament are all regenerated in the same manner, and that is with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Isaiah 63:11.
God renamed Jacob to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel. Most all of the time that Israel is mentioned it is referring to Jacob as Israel, not the nation of Israel. Rom 9:6. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. Jacob is representative of God's elect, Rom 9:11. Jacob/Israel throughout their history were in and out of fellowship with God, and we are no different in this day and time.
People in the old testament and the new testament are all regenerated in the same manner, and that is with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Isaiah 63:11.
HIS death made salvation possible for Everyone.Someone might ask,well why did HE have to die?
GOD loves righteousness and If JESUS had not paid the price For us then we would not be acceptable to a GOD who loves righteousness.Fulfilling the law perfectly was the only way man could've been just before GOD and because of the weakness of our flesh,no man would be able to be perfect In GODs sight.
It WAS about the law but now It's about faith.
John 3:16
King James Version
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
GOD loves righteousness and If JESUS had not paid the price For us then we would not be acceptable to a GOD who loves righteousness.Fulfilling the law perfectly was the only way man could've been just before GOD and because of the weakness of our flesh,no man would be able to be perfect In GODs sight.
It WAS about the law but now It's about faith.
John 3:16
King James Version
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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