Sins cannot be charged!
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it's safer to be able to give 2 or 3 verses that plainly state something, then it is to form doctrine around something that's not actually written anywhere, yes.
& my feeling is that if i seem like i might be contradicting scripture, i'd better be able to convincingly show that i'm not. if i can't do that i ought to keep my mouth shut
& my feeling is that if i seem like i might be contradicting scripture, i'd better be able to convincingly show that i'm not. if i can't do that i ought to keep my mouth shut
You are obsessed with promoting this lie even after you have been shown the truth from Scripture. So it would appear that it is Satan who is egging you on to push propaganda (lies) instead of truth.
While it is true that Christ died for the Church, it is equally true that He died for the sins of the whole world. But only those who receive Him as Lord and Savior are saved.
While it is true that Christ died for the Church, it is equally true that He died for the sins of the whole world. But only those who receive Him as Lord and Savior are saved.
If a person does not RECIEVE Jesus then they will not be glorified . Only those that recieve Jesus, being sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption will recieve the Adoption .
Rom 8.23 .
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8.23 .
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
You are correct. I see it's teachings among the roots of pagan beliefs first pushed by Gnostics as St Augustine changed his beliefs later in his life. St Augustine's writings greatly influenced John Calvin. The early church fathers did not speak for determinism and defended the concept of free will.
Here is a scholar speaking on this topic.
The many gnostic similarities are alarming in my understanding of Calvinist roots.
Here is a scholar speaking on this topic.
The many gnostic similarities are alarming in my understanding of Calvinist roots.
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33 ad. But in Gods estimation, who is Eternal, and not confined to time, He was slain from the foundation of the world Rev 13:8. So He viewed Christ already slain in Jn 8 24.
OT Prohecy had Him already slain for sins Isa 53:
All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned every one to his own way;
and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth:
he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb,
so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment:
and who shall declare his generation?
for he was cut off out of the land of the living:
for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
OT Prohecy had Him already slain for sins Isa 53:
All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned every one to his own way;
and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth:
he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb,
so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment:
and who shall declare his generation?
for he was cut off out of the land of the living:
for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
The Father was very graceful.
1 John 2:2
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
God gave all. God incarnate, God in the flesh. God sacrificed himself for our sins, the sins of the world.
Jesus is God. The Son within the Trinity of the Godhead. The sacrifice was the atonement. It took God who was perfect and holy to cover for the justice He Himself must hold creation to.
Then you must ignore all the scriptures about the call to believe, have faith, or stay in faith.
God would never lose or give up on those who love and accept Him. How can their be hope for the apostate if they choose to walk away from God?
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
But we have been through this in other forums. Really just speaking to the OP.
1 John 2:2
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
God gave all. God incarnate, God in the flesh. God sacrificed himself for our sins, the sins of the world.
Jesus is God. The Son within the Trinity of the Godhead. The sacrifice was the atonement. It took God who was perfect and holy to cover for the justice He Himself must hold creation to.
Then you must ignore all the scriptures about the call to believe, have faith, or stay in faith.
God would never lose or give up on those who love and accept Him. How can their be hope for the apostate if they choose to walk away from God?
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
But we have been through this in other forums. Really just speaking to the OP.
