Is the law a blessing or a curse?

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Magenta

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If schoolmaster is the entire law, how is it that the natural law regulating the tides of the ocean is still in effect?
Why do you insist on mixing the natural laws of the physical universe in with the law as given to Moses?

It is completely non-sensical.
 

echoChrist

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The curse of the Law is sin, not the Law itself. Paul did say that sin was not imputed without Law, but that does not mean that the Law was a bad thing.

Romans
7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
7:10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.
7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
The law is both a blessing and a curse.
It's like the tree of life and the tree of good and evil in Genesis.
God blesses us to eat the tree of life, but we eat the curse we shouldn't eat.
Curse comes from a part of the law, from the part of sin, but the law itself is not all about sin itself, the full law itself represents life.The law of giving life as creator did from The beginning.

Use an inappropriate metaphor.
It's like the atomic bomb can be used to maintain peace, but it can also be used to wage war.

The creator's original intention from the beginning is to create life, not death and sin.
Only from the creator's original intention, in fact, only the meaning of blessing.
Why do you insist on mixing the natural laws of the physical universe in with the law as given to Moses?

It is completely non-sensical.
And why do people keep mixing ritual laws those in the Spirit are no longer under with God's Holy commandments there is a difference?
 

soberxp

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And why do people keep mixing ritual laws those in the Spirit are no longer under with God's Holy commandments there is a difference?
If I understanding your meaning well,If I understand it correctly.
cuz The tree of good and evil,as Adam and Eve did, we were accustomed to eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil.Then categorize everything into good and evil,Whether necessary or not.
I think that's the difference,why tree of life difference with tree of good and evil.

I wonder if you can keep up with my way of thinking.
 

echoChrist

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If I understanding your meaning well,If I understand it correctly.
cuz The tree of good and evil,as Adam and Eve did, we were accustomed to eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil.Then categorize everything into good and evil,Whether necessary or not.
I think that's the difference,why tree of life difference with tree of good and evil.

I wonder if you can keep up with my way of thinking.
Sorry you lost me.🤕
 

soberxp

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Sorry you lost me.🤕
To learn the Bible is not to learn that you do this is wrong and you do this is right.
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to talk pedantically
to pay excessive attention to wording
to speak like a book

Learning the Bible is not about classifying good and evil with ritual laws nor ten commandments.

We learn from the Bible to learn the meaning of life, which is more important than ritual laws and the ten commandments.

mixing ritual laws with God's commandments that doesn't meaning you are better or good than others.

The homework God gives us is about life,
God told us from the beginning that we can only eat the tree of life.not a tree of I am good than others.

In any case, you can't say I'm perfect,No one is better than me. It's meaningless about repentance and the law of giving life
 

Nehemiah6

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#86
Do any of the Christians here see the law as a blessing and not a curse?
The Law includes both blessings and curses. So what's you point, since Christians are not under the Law of Moses?
 

ewq1938

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#87
What is this 2nd law that replaced the first law?

I can't find it. Help me out.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
 
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SophieT

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#88
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
You actually mean covenant replaced the law Please clarify

You did first say the 2nd law replaced the first law, so I am trying to understand just what you mean
 

ewq1938

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#89
You actually mean covenant replaced the law Please clarify

You did first say the 2nd law replaced the first law, so I am trying to understand just what you mean
The law are the words of a covenant so it's the same difference.


Exo 34:26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
Exo 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The ten commandments are the words of this new covenant equaling the law to the covenant. A covenant is a contract or agreement between two parties and the law are the words of that agreement. One requires things to be done, and the other party must adhere to and obey in order for the agreement to work. And we see in the verses that this covenant starts with the words of the Ten commandments, the pillar and heart of the OT law. Previous covenants already had their words whether written or verbally spoken but this covenant had specific laws that were new to everyone.

Paul affirms this truth by equating the law with the covenant:

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
 

echoChrist

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#90
To learn the Bible is not to learn that you do this is wrong and you do this is right.
as
to talk pedantically
to pay excessive attention to wording
to speak like a book

Learning the Bible is not about classifying good and evil with ritual laws nor ten commandments.

We learn from the Bible to learn the meaning of life, which is more important than ritual laws and the ten commandments.

mixing ritual laws with God's commandments that doesn't meaning you are better or good than others.

The homework God gives us is about life,
God told us from the beginning that we can only eat the tree of life.not a tree of I am good than others.

In any case, you can't say I'm perfect,No one is better than me. It's meaningless about repentance and the law of giving life
Sorry you lost me again. Just say amen to what I said it's still so whether you do or not.😇
 

Magenta

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#91
If I understanding your meaning well,If I understand it correctly.
cuz The tree of good and evil,as Adam and Eve did, we were accustomed to eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil.Then categorize everything into good and evil,Whether necessary or not.
I think that's the difference,why tree of life difference with tree of good and evil.

I wonder if you can keep up with my way of thinking.
It is not the tree of good and evil, but the tree of knowledge of good and evil...
 

Dino246

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#92
If schoolmaster is the entire law, how is it that the natural law regulating the tides of the ocean is still in effect?
Are natural laws governing the tides, seasons, biological functions, etc. part of the Law as given through Moses? No. Please don't confuse the issue with irrelevant errata.
 
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SophieT

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The law are the words of a covenant so it's the same difference.
No. The law is not the forgiveness of sin through the blood of Christ.

the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
The 10 commandments are not the new covenant through the blood of Christ.

Paul affirms this truth by equating the law with the covenant:

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Paul is not saying here that the law is the same. The law was introduced 430 years AFTER the covenant pronounced by God to Abraham. God says all those who have faith are children of Abraham and he also says that you are cursed if you rely on the works of the law.


3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced[b] so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[c]

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”[d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
 

soberxp

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It is not the tree of good and evil, but the tree of knowledge of good and evil...
sorry,my bad,I don't think it's a problem to write like this tree of good and evil:ROFL:
 

ewq1938

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#96
No. The law is not the forgiveness of sin through the blood of Christ.
A covenant has law. The law is written in words. That is what a covenant is. There is no such thing as a covenant separate or different from it's law. The law is the covenant, and the covenant is the law. The law of the new covenant is called the law of Christ.

So, the old covenant and it's words/law were replaced by a new and better covenant and it's words/law.
 

echoChrist

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sorry,I can't keep up your way of thinking:sneaky:
I didn't make that up I simply echoed what Jesus Christ said out of his own mouth it's not my way of thinking it's the mind of Christ.👂