Do you wish all human can be saved?

[Runningman]

Respectfully, I still think that God instigates conversion through the revelation of the Holy Ghost within them, and not the preachers sermon.

The written word of God is the very foundation of faith itself. Yes, the Holy Spirit does convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement but we cannot minimize the importance and necessity of scripture.

Romans 10:17
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Matthew 4:4
4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Hebrews 4:12
12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Thank you so much. Seldom do I ever get agreements.

Humans are prideful creatures in general and related to psychology it is hard to accept counter beliefs to our own. We find security in what we know, this often can lead to confirmation bias. Then to protect our beliefs we can commit logical fallacies when speaking to others. For instance, to stop or gum up the dialogue, some may be bombarded with assumptions. For example, if one individual holds to 1 point of Calvinism, it is all too easy to assume they hold to all 5. It is uncomfortable to change our worldview as some theological arguments do. But I try to hear people out, agree when agreement is warranted and even if I disagree at least a dialogue was had.

 

[CorrectiveLens]

1 Cor 2: 15 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Please explain your comments because I'm having trouble understanding what you are talking about. This is addressed to ForestGreenCook.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

The written word of God is the very foundation of faith itself. Yes, the Holy Spirit does convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement but we cannot minimize the importance and necessity of scripture.

Romans 10:17
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Matthew 4:4
4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Hebrews 4:12
12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I am not negating the importance of the scriptures. I am saying that by our own entelect we cannot understand the scriptures unless the Holy Ghost within us reveals it to us.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Humans are prideful creatures in general and related to psychology it is hard to accept counter beliefs to our own. We find security in what we know, this often can lead to confirmation bias. Then to protect our beliefs we can commit logical fallacies when speaking to others. For instance, to stop or gum up the dialogue, some may be bombarded with assumptions. For example, if one individual holds to 1 point of Calvinism, it is all too easy to assume they hold to all 5. It is uncomfortable to change our worldview as some theological arguments do. But I try to hear people out, agree when agreement is warranted and even if I disagree at least a dialogue was had.

I appreciate your attitude.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

1 Cor 2: 15 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Please explain your comments because I'm having trouble understanding what you are talking about. This is addressed to ForestGreenCook.

Before a person can understand the things of the Spirit, they must have already been born again to a spiritual birth with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Eph 2.

 

[UCA4J]

Maybe you should think about it this way,Do they have any other charges besides not believing in God?What's the difference between us except that they don't believe in God?

If you find out they have other sins,Pls tell them.

would they listen ?

 

[Runningman]

I am not negating the importance of the scriptures. I am saying that by our own entelect we cannot understand the scriptures unless the Holy Ghost within us reveals it to us.

Fair enough. Glad we talked about it. I feel like I actually learned something.

 

[Journeyman]

Pls answer yes or no.then quiet scripture.and your understanding about bible.
Matthew 5:37
King James Version
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Does God want everyone to be saved?

Yes,

he wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 1Tim.2:4

Does the Bible require loving your God with all your heart?

Yes,

thou shalt lovethe Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Mk.12:30

Do you wish all human can be saved?

Yes.

If the Scripture says someone can't be saved So why someone had to be born in The world(It's not a question that has to be answered)

The Bible does not teach that people cannot be saved. The Bible teaches people how to be saved.

Does the Bible tell you to love your enemies?

Yes,

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Mt.5:44

(Why does the Bible tell us to love your enemies?)

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Mt.5:45

If someone quotes the Bible to tell you that some people can't be saved, why should still preach the Bible to everyone?(It's not a question that has to be answered)

We don't know who will believe the gospel.

 

[Adstar]

Evidently, you do not know what God saw by his foreknowledge; Psalms 53:2-3, God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back, they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

I did / do know that scripture indeed.. But it does not change my POV that i responded with one bit..

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yes,

he wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 1Tim.2:4

Yes,

thou shalt lovethe Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. Mk.12:30

Yes.

The Bible does not teach that people cannot be saved. The Bible teaches people how to be saved.

Yes,

Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Mt.5:44

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Mt.5:45

We don't know who will believe the gospel.

1 Tim 2:4, When we are newly born again, we are but babes in Christ. We begin our spiritual growth gradually starting out on the milk of the word an eventually maturing unto having a knowledge of the righteousness of God, which is revealed in the doctrine of Jesus Christ, by the revelation of the Holy Ghost within us.

Isaiah 28:9-10 explains it this way; Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line line upon line, here a little, and there a little.

There is a "deliverance=saved" when a newborn babe comes unto a knowledge of the righteousness of God. This deliverance is not an eternal deliverance, because they already have that assurance, but is a deliverance they experience as they sojourn here on earth.

I believe that Rom 10:1-3 is another example of this type of deliverance.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I did / do know that scripture indeed.. But it does not change my POV that i responded with one bit..

Your statement that "God knows, by his foreknowledge, who will believe. That is why I called your attention to the scripture that says that God saw by his foreknowledge that none would seek him.

Do you not believe that the scriptures must harmonize with each other before we can understand the truths within them?

 

[Journeyman]

1 Tim 2:4, When we are newly born again, we are but babes in Christ. We begin our spiritual growth gradually starting out on the milk of the word an eventually maturing unto having a knowledge of the righteousness of God, which is revealed in the doctrine of Jesus Christ, by the revelation of the Holy Ghost within us.

In 1Tim.2:4, it is God's desire for all people to be saved. People are savedby knowing the truth,

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life Jn.14:5

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Jn.17:3

Isaiah 28:9-10 explains it this way; Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line line upon line, here a little, and there a little.

The precept on precept and line on line was not a good thing. Look at vs.13. Isaiah is saying one person would have a precept (or line) of scripture and someone else would have another one that seemed contrary. They talked about the word without ever really knowimg the Lord and it caused them to fall backward.

There is a "deliverance=saved" when a newborn babe comes unto a knowledge of the righteousness of God. This deliverance is not an eternal deliverance, because they already have that assurance, but is a deliverance they experience as they sojourn here on earth.

I believe that Rom 10:1-3 is another example of this type of deliverance.

Paul was describing lost people
All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people. Rom.10:21

 

[soberxp]

Paul was describing lost people
All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people. Rom.10:21

I think that was Israel's attitude of rejecting unbelievers at that time, just like Christians' attitude of rejecting unbelievers now.
God's righteousness is not about rejecting unbelievers,Even if the unbelievers refuse to believe god.

 

[ewq1938]

God's righteousness is not about rejecting unbelievers

Yes it is.

Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:45 But if that servant says to himself, My lord is a long time coming; and goes about giving blows to the men-servants and the women-servants, feasting and taking overmuch wine;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come at a time when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not ready for him, and he will have him cut in two and will give him his part in the fate of those who have no faith;

 

[soberxp]

Yes it is.

Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

Luk 12:45 But if that servant says to himself, My lord is a long time coming; and goes about giving blows to the men-servants and the women-servants, feasting and taking overmuch wine;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come at a time when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not ready for him, and he will have him cut in two and will give him his part in the fate of those who have no faith;

Mark 10:26-27

26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

John 10:10

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

 

[ewq1938]

Here's the future which you are denying:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Mark 10:26-27

26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

John 10:10

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

 

[soberxp]

Here's the future which you are denying:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Please give me the details of the book of life ; )

if there has The second death,there must have their second life.xoxo

 

[ewq1938]

Please give me the details of the book of life ; )

if there has The second death,there must have their second life.xoxo

Still, God says there are people (unsaved) who will be cast into a lake of fire forever because they didn't deserve what the saved receive. Christ said the majority of people will suffer that punishment.

 

[soberxp]

Still, God says there are people (unsaved) who will be cast into a lake of fire forever because they didn't deserve what the saved receive. Christ said the majority of people will suffer that punishment.

Maybe there are people that even God can't save, but I don't know( ˘•ω•˘ )
know is konw, don't know is don't know