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they were made with the freedom and ability & given the opportunity to reject their Creator. Satan, lying, told her she wasn't free unless she proved herself by committing sin, that she would gain wisdom and become like God by transgressing. not one of those things was true.
having the capability to choose evil is not tantamount to having the predilection to -- that's the fallen nature, after death entered mankind. Woman did not sin until deceived and tempted.
sorry to be so blunt @Webers.Home but we've talked about this at length in the past, so, it doesn't feel like i need to pretend we haven't.
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FAQ: Can it be known for certain whether Jesus' mom was biologically
related to David?
A: Yes; very easily.
First off: David is said to be Jesus' ancestor.
• Luke 1:32 . . He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.
Now, a sharp sophist could construe that verse to mean Jesus was David's
descendant by some other means besides biologically; however the Bible
also says:
• Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh
The Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a
bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to
biological progeny; for example:
• Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.
That seed is obviously spiritual progeny; whereas David's seed is biological
because it's "according to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.
Seeing as how Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father, then we're left with
Jesus' mom as the default path of flesh connecting to David's flesh.
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FAQ: Can it be known for certain whether Jesus' mom was biologically
related to David?
A: Yes; very easily.
First off: David is said to be Jesus' ancestor.
• Luke 1:32 . . He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.
Now, a sharp sophist could construe that verse to mean Jesus was David's
descendant by some other means besides biologically; however the Bible
also says:
• Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh
The Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a
bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to
biological progeny; for example:
• Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.
That seed is obviously spiritual progeny; whereas David's seed is biological
because it's "according to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.
Seeing as how Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father, then we're left with
Jesus' mom as the default path of flesh connecting to David's flesh.
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Absolutely. God knew they were going to fall before He created mankind. He didn't have to rearrange all of nature after the fall.
Even when saved, we still have only the promise of immortality. We can called ourselves already saved and immortal because God's promises are secure. We are really stating the future after our resurrections.
Even when saved, we still have only the promise of immortality. We can called ourselves already saved and immortal because God's promises are secure. We are really stating the future after our resurrections.
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The tree of life isn't portrayed in the Bible as a source of life, rather, as a
remedy, i.e. a treatment for whatever ails you. (Rev 22:2).
In other words; under normal circumstances Adam had no use for the tree of
life at first because he was already immortal. Adam was created impervious
to death; an advantage he lost by tampering with the forbidden fruit when
he was instructed not to.
• Gen 2:16-17 . . And the Lord God commanded the man: You are free to
eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.
Adam didn't pass away on the very day he ate the forbidden fruit. In point of
fact he continued to live 800 more years beyond the birth of his son Seth.
(Gen 5:4)
So the death that Adam underwent due to tasting the forbidden fruit began
with his loss of immortality, i.e. Adam's body became infected with mortality
which, if left untreated, is 100% fatal. Mortality is a living death that
gradually broke Adam down to the point where his body could no longer
keep going.
The tree of life wouldn't prevent Adam from contracting mortality, but the
tree would've cured it and restored him to perfect health, but alas he wasn't
permitted to take advantage of it.
• Gen 3:23 . . So the Lord God banished him from the garden of Eden, to till
the soil from which he was taken.
One of the societal problems associated with STDs is the development of
treatments for those kinds of diseases. The treatments are not bad per se;
the problem is that knowing that there's treatments emboldens people to
indulge in immorality.
In other words: had God allowed the man continued access to the garden,
no doubt he and his wife would've included the forbidden fruit in their diets
on a regular basis because there would be little to fear from its effects due
to the ready availability of medicine from the tree of life. They would, as it's
said, have their cake and eat it too.
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The tree of life isn't portrayed in the Bible as a source of life, rather, as a
remedy, i.e. a treatment for whatever ails you. (Rev 22:2).
In other words; under normal circumstances Adam had no use for the tree of
life at first because he was already immortal. Adam was created impervious
to death; an advantage he lost by tampering with the forbidden fruit when
he was instructed not to.
• Gen 2:16-17 . . And the Lord God commanded the man: You are free to
eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.
Adam didn't pass away on the very day he ate the forbidden fruit. In point of
fact he continued to live 800 more years beyond the birth of his son Seth.
(Gen 5:4)
So the death that Adam underwent due to tasting the forbidden fruit began
with his loss of immortality, i.e. Adam's body became infected with mortality
which, if left untreated, is 100% fatal. Mortality is a living death that
gradually broke Adam down to the point where his body could no longer
keep going.
The tree of life wouldn't prevent Adam from contracting mortality, but the
tree would've cured it and restored him to perfect health, but alas he wasn't
permitted to take advantage of it.
• Gen 3:23 . . So the Lord God banished him from the garden of Eden, to till
the soil from which he was taken.
One of the societal problems associated with STDs is the development of
treatments for those kinds of diseases. The treatments are not bad per se;
the problem is that knowing that there's treatments emboldens people to
indulge in immorality.
In other words: had God allowed the man continued access to the garden,
no doubt he and his wife would've included the forbidden fruit in their diets
on a regular basis because there would be little to fear from its effects due
to the ready availability of medicine from the tree of life. They would, as it's
said, have their cake and eat it too.
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Scripture explicitly states God alone dwells in immortality.
There is NOTHING, zero, nada, zilch, in Scripture to suggest Adam was created as an immortal being.
He was created a physical being from the elements of the earth, and required a Spiritual rebirth as does anyone.
The spiritual does not come first, but the physical does, and then comes the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15:46
There is NOTHING, zero, nada, zilch, in Scripture to suggest Adam was created as an immortal being.
He was created a physical being from the elements of the earth, and required a Spiritual rebirth as does anyone.
The spiritual does not come first, but the physical does, and then comes the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15:46
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• 1Tim 6:15-16 . . God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and
Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light,
whom no one has seen or can see.
There are some folk hereabout that have so much riding on that passage
that I'm somewhat reluctant to explain what it's saying..
First off: I should point out that eternal life and immortality are not the
same.
And secondly I should point out that Adam, though created with immortality,
was not created with eternal life.
Thirdly I should point out that immortality, while intrinsic in the nature of
God, is not intrinsic in the nature of a creature. In other words; in order for
Adam to have immortality, he had to be empowered with it; and since
immortality is an empowerment, then it can be just as easily disempowered,
i.e. taken away.
Bottom line: 1Tim 6:15-16 is saying that God is the origin of immortality;
and it's also saying that God's immortality cannot be taken away from Him,
i.e. God wasn't empowered with immortality by someone higher up and more
powerful than Himself.
FYI: God is also the origin of eternal life; but I prefer not to go down that
road for now because eternal life isn't germane to the forbidden fruit
incident.
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• 1Tim 6:15-16 . . God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and
Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light,
whom no one has seen or can see.
There are some folk hereabout that have so much riding on that passage
that I'm somewhat reluctant to explain what it's saying..
First off: I should point out that eternal life and immortality are not the
same.
And secondly I should point out that Adam, though created with immortality,
was not created with eternal life.
Thirdly I should point out that immortality, while intrinsic in the nature of
God, is not intrinsic in the nature of a creature. In other words; in order for
Adam to have immortality, he had to be empowered with it; and since
immortality is an empowerment, then it can be just as easily disempowered,
i.e. taken away.
Bottom line: 1Tim 6:15-16 is saying that God is the origin of immortality;
and it's also saying that God's immortality cannot be taken away from Him,
i.e. God wasn't empowered with immortality by someone higher up and more
powerful than Himself.
FYI: God is also the origin of eternal life; but I prefer not to go down that
road for now because eternal life isn't germane to the forbidden fruit
incident.
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