Is the law a blessing or a curse?

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear Everyone

To determine whether the law is a blessing or a curse, a Christian must look at the result of obeying the law and the result of not obeying it. Let us look at the last 6 commandments as an example.

Result if everyone in the world obeyed God’s commandments

• Honor thy mother and father – If obeyed there would be loving relationships between children and parents.
• Do not kill – If obeyed then anyone including women would be able to walk in the middle of night without the fear of being mugged or raped and murdered.
• Do not commit adultery – If obeyed there will be no feelings of insecurity and depression because of a cheating spouse, which would result in more joy and happiness in the home.
• Do not steal – If obeyed we would sleep safely in our houses without locking the door.
• Do not lie – If obeyed we would have loving and trustworthy friendships and relationships where there is no suspicion or doubt or deception.
• Do not covet – If obeyed we would be happy with what we have, which would cause peace in our hearts.

Result right now because not everyone obeys God’s commandments

• Honor mother and father - Endless prayers for wayward children are prayed every day by heartbroken parents.
• Do not kill - Tears are shed on a daily basis because loved ones have their life cut shot because of murder. We need to have prisons to put all those murderers in and a portion of our tax money goes to these prisons to feed them.
• Do not commit adultery - We have STDs and people dying from Aids because of fornication and adultery. There are many orphans in the world especially in Africa because their parents died from Aids. Adultery is a reason for some divorces resulting in children being raised in broken families.
• Do not steal - We need to install expensive home security and alarms. We need to lock our homes and our cars to protect them from theft.
• Do not covet – There is envy and jealousy because of desiring things belonging to others. Some people are suffering from depression because of not be able to achieve a high standard of living like others.

I only addressed the last 6 commandments and it is quite clear that having the law and obeying it, is a benefit. There will be no crime and misery if it was obeyed by everyone. There will actually be an increase in happiness in society as a whole if the commandments were obeyed by everyone.

James 1:17 says, “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.”

The law comes from God and James 1:17 says that God gives us good gifts. God loves us and whatever He gives us is for our good and benefit. The law does not benefit God, but it does benefit us. It is a blessing. However, it is a blessing to us if we obey it and it is a curse to us when we disobey it.

yet Jesus has a better way

if we love our parents, we will not Dishonor them

if we love our neighbor (which includes our enemy) we will not kill them

if we love our spouse, we will not cheat on them

if we love our neighbor, we will not steal what they own

if we love our God and our neighbor, (everyone) we will not lie

if we love our neighbor, we will praise God for blessing them, not covet what they have

the law of love,

love the lord your God, and love your neighbor as yourself. In this are all the law and prophet.

it not in following the ten commands which causes is blessings, its learning t take the love God gave us to love others. And by practice not break commands

thats how God writes his law on our hearts. He does not write commands, he writes the ability to love in every circumstance, and gives us a way to serve others and God (the things of the spirit) and not self (breaking commands to serve self)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nobody said anything about being under law do you think the gift of the Spirit is for you to practice disobedience we're here to serve God not the other way around.

Yes

it our way and your way of seeking the spirit appears to be two different ways.
Your way is to follow law

our way is to follow christ in love

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No I just think Godcares nailed it and I'm curious what you have to say.

He nailed it. But he failed to go deep enough.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please just stop.

Stop sharing the truth of Gods word?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That means you don't understand I tried.

Or maybe you do not understand, and we tried

 

[Dino246]

I asked what do you advocate and your next post said fallacy.

No, your post asked and answered the question, so it was not a question to me. Here are your words:

"So what do you advocate disobedience."

Combined with your previous post, you are saying that the only two options are obedience to the law or disobedience of it. That's a false dichotomy. You can either obey the law of Mexico or you can disobey the law of Mexico. How about this: the law of Mexico is irrelevant to me because I'm not in Mexico? Apply that logic to this topic.

The next time you ask a question, don't provide (assume) the most disagreeable answer. Also, learn and use proper punctuation.

 

[Blik]

Once again, a false accuser.

I wonder how the Lord sees all these posts of yours that always bring out something against the law. You say you are for love, and even in the same post declare something wrong with the commandments that are a result of loving.

It would be impossible to be against the idea of not stealing from someone and at the same time be for loving someone.

 

[Dino246]

This has been a subject I have studied, prayed and wrestled with. You say they are a commandment, but you have posted that we are we are have no obligation to celebrate them and scolded me for struggling with this. Please explain.

God does indeed command observation of the feasts. That set of commands is part of the Law, which was given TO ISRAEL, not to Christians. Christians are not subject to the Law that was given to Israel; we are already right with God through Jesus Christ, and don't need to try to be right with Him through following the Law.

I have NEVER "scolded" you for struggling with this. I strongly disagree that what I am doing is "scolding" but that's beside the point. I am explaining to you that your interpretation is incorrect because it is inconsistent with the plain teaching of Scripture.

Some say that through the forgiveness Christ offers, we are exempt from wanting to follow the commandments of the Lord, and add that we can not do this any way with the implication of if we can't, why try--why repent. I don't find any scripture telling us this is the way to follow Christ.

I have not read any post that suggests "we are exempt from wanting to follow the commandments of the Lord". What I have read, and stated, is that we are exempt from following the Law. We don't need the Law as our guide because we have the Holy Spirit within us as our Guide. When we sin, the Holy Spirit tells us, and we repent and move on.

I think that a significant cause of your struggle is caused by your proclivity to paraphrasing of the words of others (and possibly of the Bible). That's why I keep telling you to quote my exact words; when you rephrase them, you consistently muddle the meaning.

 

[Dino246]

It slipped my mind, you have so often stated that we are not obliged, you say. And it is because of your interpretation of the Lord speaking to Israel only.

I feel we should understand about this interpretation of scripture as there are so many Christians who agree on "Israel only". I made a post about this, thinking it would be a good idea to discuss this, but only one person responded. That person agreed with my position that God is a God of all men and wanted the idol worshipping gentiles to listen to Him and accept Him as the one true God. I think it is important we understand this through the Lord's eyes, and that is helped so much when Christians give their view.

I'll respond in the other thread when I have time to do so.

 

[Blik]

I have not read any post that suggests "we are exempt from wanting to follow the commandments of the Lord". What I have read, and stated, is that we are exempt from following the Law. We don't need the Law as our guide because we have the Holy Spirit within us as our Guide. When we sin, the Holy Spirit tells us, and we repent and move on.
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The Holy Spirit puts the law into our hearts, it does not cancel the law. This makes the law more accurate, because we cannot follow the law legalistically as that would be against our hearts. There are many scriptures telling us to strive to keep the law, in fact that is what repentance is all about. For these reasons, I am convinced through scripture and the holy spirit that you are in error with your interpretation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wonder how the Lord sees all these posts of yours that always bring out something against the law. You say you are for love, and even in the same post declare something wrong with the commandments that are a result of loving.

It would be impossible to be against the idea of not stealing from someone and at the same time be for loving someone.

I am not posting anything against the law

i am exposing your many sins though

instead of trying to judge me, try for one s king yourself what God thinks of you bearing false witness against so many people, yet trying to preach how you need to follow Gods commands (by defenition, being a hypocrite)

 

[Dino246]

The Holy Spirit puts the law into our hearts, it does not cancel the law.

The Holy Spirit is a "He", not an "it".

You are correct; the Holy Spirit does not cancel the Law. However, Jesus did, as stated in Colossians 2:14.

This makes the law more accurate, because we cannot follow the law legalistically as that would be against our hearts.

Huh? The Law is accurate as written; it doesn't become "more accurate" when written on our hearts. Also, the Law stands against our hearts because our hearts are desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9).

There are many scriptures telling us to strive to keep the law, in fact that is what repentance is all about. For these reasons, I am convinced through scripture and the holy spirit that you are in error with your interpretation.

Repentance is not striving to keep the Law, but recognizing that we have sinned, and turning to the right direction in thought, word, and action. God did tell ancient Israel to strive to keep the Law, but He does not tell that to Christians.

 

[echoChrist]

Lol

they do not contain ways to love, they contains ways to prove your a sinner!

Remember the Sabbath day keep it holy that proves your a sinner wrong and Honorvyour mother and Father that proves your a sinner wrong again that proves you Love you should know this the teacher of the perfect love that you think you have abtained but your fruits say otherwise.

 

[echoChrist]

I never said you could

but I could have the spirit and not follow those two commands. When I do that, I am in sin,

that’s the defenition of sin my friend, failure to love in all aspects of life. Because when I fail to love others, I turn to self and that’s when I will start breaking Gods commands.

If you truly do have the Spirit you would follow those two commands that you say are only ones that exist.

 

[echoChrist]

It takes more than that.

it takes following the two commands

How do you thinknyou abtain this perfect love you think you have by the power of the indwelling Spirit.

 

[echoChrist]

another slanderous proud post from a lawyer

you spend every moment yu are here telling everyone they should follow the law. But only parts of the law. You insist we do not have to follow them all. So you also are lying in Your response to me

There's that perfect love again it shines right through you and blik doesn't follow law blik follows Christ and keeps his commandents.

 

[echoChrist]

Dude, for Someone who insists we follow Gods commands, yu continue to break the command about bearing False witness, I never said there were only two. I never said the commands where no longer valid (break they and you sin) and I have never said their were only two

your pride has you blinded to anything I say, you look through blinders, that’s why you can not compretend.

I follow Christ and keep his commandments.

 

[echoChrist]

Oh I know perfectly well.
in obeying those two commands, by practice yu will not break the how ever ma y commands god has given in his word,

you seem to think it is only ten? Or six hundred some? Man, if you just follow them, you will never know what true righteousness looks like

Yes the summary and actions of the commands is to love I agree with you on that but by being obedient to all commandments doesn't make you a law pusher or under it, it makes you a God commandment keeper.

 

[echoChrist]

Oh I know perfectly well.
in obeying those two commands, by practice yu will not break the how ever ma y commands god has given in his word,

you seem to think it is only ten? Or six hundred some? Man, if you just follow them, you will never know what true righteousness looks like

I live in Christ for righteousness.

 

[echoChrist]

For non believers, your correct

for believers, it has no power,

Yes sin is powerless over belivers.