"The Soul That Sinneth, It SHALL Die."
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Thats a first . lol usually that verse is used at the Olympic athletes ect .
" I can jump this hurdle through christ who strengthens me " . Your kinda doing the same. " I can jump to the moon ,through christ who strengthen s me . " The verse is actually about suffering and going without .
And the law?
Where are you getting your ideas from?
Romans 3:20
“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
KNOWLEDGE OF SIN .
The laws purpose was never going to justify anyone . It was to drive them to faith.
At this point let me guess. You think " But the law is fulfilled in us ..blah blah " Oh dear .
" I can jump this hurdle through christ who strengthens me " . Your kinda doing the same. " I can jump to the moon ,through christ who strengthen s me . " The verse is actually about suffering and going without .
And the law?
Where are you getting your ideas from?
Romans 3:20
“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
KNOWLEDGE OF SIN .
The laws purpose was never going to justify anyone . It was to drive them to faith.
At this point let me guess. You think " But the law is fulfilled in us ..blah blah " Oh dear .
Yes, you're right. Christ's power is insufficient for us to keep the commandments...
Nevermind that it was plenty potent enough to speak Creation into existence, make Abraham and Sarah's dead libidos alive again, parted the Red Sea, made a donkey speak, raise the dead back to life...yeah, it can do all that but it's not powerful enough help us stop shooting drugs or go home to our own wife.
Nevermind that it was plenty potent enough to speak Creation into existence, make Abraham and Sarah's dead libidos alive again, parted the Red Sea, made a donkey speak, raise the dead back to life...yeah, it can do all that but it's not powerful enough help us stop shooting drugs or go home to our own wife.
It also means there are NO OBSCURE VERSES. If Genesis 2:7 says the Soul comes into existence only as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life, who are we to argue that the Soul continues to exist after this union is broken, especially when we discover that Satan's lie is behind this false idea?
The TWO foundational doctrines that form the basis for paganism came right out of the Garden of Eden:
"Thou shalt not surely die".
"Ye shall be as gods".
The Roman Catholic Papacy embraces both, apostate Protestantism does also, by claiming man is immortal, when the Bible is clear God "only hath immortality".
The TWO foundational doctrines that form the basis for paganism came right out of the Garden of Eden:
"Thou shalt not surely die".
"Ye shall be as gods".
The Roman Catholic Papacy embraces both, apostate Protestantism does also, by claiming man is immortal, when the Bible is clear God "only hath immortality".
Yes, you're right. Christ's power is insufficient for us to keep the commandments...
Nevermind that it was plenty potent enough to speak Creation into existence, make Abraham and Sarah's dead libidos alive again, parted the Red Sea, made a donkey speak, raise the dead back to life...yeah, it can do all that but it's not powerful enough help us stop shooting drugs or go home to our own wife.
Nevermind that it was plenty potent enough to speak Creation into existence, make Abraham and Sarah's dead libidos alive again, parted the Red Sea, made a donkey speak, raise the dead back to life...yeah, it can do all that but it's not powerful enough help us stop shooting drugs or go home to our own wife.
I don't have to assume, I just have to read Genesis 3:4 KJV)
I don't know...just deceiving billions of Eastern religion practitioners who worship their ancestors "apparitions" instead of the Messiah our missionaries present to them...decieving a billion Catholics who think that's Mary or the saints "appearing" in various places...deceiving countless practitioners of the New Age Movement who think all those voices and apparitions like the infamous "Maitreya" are really the reincarnation of "the ascended Masters" who died before them...and millions of Christians who are going to be told by "spirits" of loved ones to disregard the law of God and anyone preaching it to them....but of course, you'll be long gone before then in the secret rapture, right?
The big deal is that we cease to exist, which makes the Resurrection the "great hope" that it is, and not some stupid celestial "new body" fashion show to which it has been reduced. It also destroys that ridiculous concept of eternal torment - which Satan has used to drive people insanely against God - for if the wicked Soul does not have eternal life, how can he have everlasting punishing?
I don't know...just deceiving billions of Eastern religion practitioners who worship their ancestors "apparitions" instead of the Messiah our missionaries present to them...decieving a billion Catholics who think that's Mary or the saints "appearing" in various places...deceiving countless practitioners of the New Age Movement who think all those voices and apparitions like the infamous "Maitreya" are really the reincarnation of "the ascended Masters" who died before them...and millions of Christians who are going to be told by "spirits" of loved ones to disregard the law of God and anyone preaching it to them....but of course, you'll be long gone before then in the secret rapture, right?
The big deal is that we cease to exist, which makes the Resurrection the "great hope" that it is, and not some stupid celestial "new body" fashion show to which it has been reduced. It also destroys that ridiculous concept of eternal torment - which Satan has used to drive people insanely against God - for if the wicked Soul does not have eternal life, how can he have everlasting punishing?
Doesn't the Bible teach we have to open the door or our heart to let Christ in? Nothing robotic about that. As far as keeping the commandments goes, love - not robotic programming - is what motivates us and Christ's power is what enables us. Show me a faithful husband who goes home to his wife and I'll show you a man who's in love.
Death is the punishment for sin, not obedience.
Y'know who else claims mankind benefitted from sin? The New Age occult science says that . Freemasonry says that. AND YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHO ELSE CALLS IT THE "BLESSED FAULT THAT MERITED FOR US SUCH AND SO GREAT A REDEEMER!" ------
....papal Antichrist says that very thing.
Y'know who else claims mankind benefitted from sin? The New Age occult science says that . Freemasonry says that. AND YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHO ELSE CALLS IT THE "BLESSED FAULT THAT MERITED FOR US SUCH AND SO GREAT A REDEEMER!" ------
....papal Antichrist says that very thing.
The only problem with this mindset makes Jesus a liar by default. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Supreme Authority on any topic when is he speaks. The context can be debated but his words are there for all to see.
Jesus said some very revealing things about hell which were not allegorical, but normative and literal.
Jesus said in Mark 9:42-48 about sin and the fire that will not be quenched. Why cut off a hand to escape a place you are going to be suffering in for eternity? That makes absolutely no sense. it's non-sense.
One of the most compelling things Jesu said the warning about the reality of a "Hell" with eternal consequences is found in Matthew 10:26 when Jesus said don't fear whAT MAN WILL DO TO THE bODY but what God can do to the eternal souls and spirit of man.
This some it up found Christianity.com:
"We can summarize it like this: hell is the place of conscious, eternal torment where people experience God's punishment for their sin. Yes, hell is "the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt 25:41), but also for those who join them in their rebellion against God (Matt 11:20–24). The horror of hell is such that Jesus says, "if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43). For those who do not enter the narrow door of faith and repentance in Jesus (Luke 13:24) a place of weeping and gnashing teeth awaits them (Luke 13:28). "
Jesus said Hell is a place. Then He gave a description of it.
Jesus spoke literally and used Parables also to bring the spiritual understanding of this place "Hell".
Many liberal theologians have attacked the teaching of a literal hell. They can only do this when they
1. fail to read contextually what Jesus said about hell
2. gloss over the literal context of hell or change it to meaning metaphorically or allegorically.
3. Some will even ignore the very teaching of Jesus on the topic or even address HIS words.
IF Hell is not an eternal place why would Jesus even suggest cutting off your hand or plucking out your eyeball to keep you from going to this place that doesn't exist?
They make Jesus a liar.
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I don't have to assume, I just have to read Genesis 3:4 KJV)
I don't know...just deceiving billions of Eastern religion practitioners who worship their ancestors "apparitions" instead of the Messiah our missionaries present to them...decieving a billion Catholics who think that's Mary or the saints "appearing" in various places...deceiving countless practitioners of the New Age Movement who think all those voices and apparitions like the infamous "Maitreya" are really the reincarnation of "the ascended Masters" who died before them...and millions of Christians who are going to be told by "spirits" of loved ones to disregard the law of God and anyone preaching it to them....but of course, you'll be long gone before then in the secret rapture, right?
The big deal is that we cease to exist, which makes the Resurrection the "great hope" that it is, and not some stupid celestial "new body" fashion show to which it has been reduced. It also destroys that ridiculous concept of eternal torment - which Satan has used to drive people insanely against God - for if the wicked Soul does not have eternal life, how can he have everlasting punishing?
I don't know...just deceiving billions of Eastern religion practitioners who worship their ancestors "apparitions" instead of the Messiah our missionaries present to them...decieving a billion Catholics who think that's Mary or the saints "appearing" in various places...deceiving countless practitioners of the New Age Movement who think all those voices and apparitions like the infamous "Maitreya" are really the reincarnation of "the ascended Masters" who died before them...and millions of Christians who are going to be told by "spirits" of loved ones to disregard the law of God and anyone preaching it to them....but of course, you'll be long gone before then in the secret rapture, right?
The big deal is that we cease to exist, which makes the Resurrection the "great hope" that it is, and not some stupid celestial "new body" fashion show to which it has been reduced. It also destroys that ridiculous concept of eternal torment - which Satan has used to drive people insanely against God - for if the wicked Soul does not have eternal life, how can he have everlasting punishing?
I’m not a antinomianism person. The Ten Commandments is Gods divine law for morality. If one is broken the all are broken. We all have broken them and cast a separation between us our Creator.
Jesus’s perfect life and atonement is the only thing that can reconcile us to our Father. Should we strive with all our heart to follow Gods law? Yes. Can we do it? No(Again we have already broken the law)
If you spend your life trying to justify yourself before God by your own merits instead having faith in Christ that he paid your debt(past, present, and future) you will never experience Gods mercy, only guilt, anxiety, and despair.
Jesus’s perfect life and atonement is the only thing that can reconcile us to our Father. Should we strive with all our heart to follow Gods law? Yes. Can we do it? No(Again we have already broken the law)
If you spend your life trying to justify yourself before God by your own merits instead having faith in Christ that he paid your debt(past, present, and future) you will never experience Gods mercy, only guilt, anxiety, and despair.
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Bro, if I had a buck for every time you used the word "context" and for every time you took verses out of it
Fires go out all the time that are not quenched - they run out of fuel.
Spare us the flawed commentary and present Scripture alone, please.
Of course He did.
Yes, we must read all the passages in context and not change what is literal to figurative, but also not change what is figurative to literal. We must remember that Matthew says Jesus fulfilled the words of the Psalms 78:1-2 KJV, adding "and without a parable, spake He not unto them." It is ludicrous for anyone to claim that the fiery burning "hell" in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is literal, as the contextual, hermeneutical evidence shows. They refuse to acknowledge the massive contradictions which arise by taking what is parabolic and making it literal in order to "prove" their false ideas about hell.
Hell does exist, but is not eternal. There can't be eternal suffering if there is no eternal sinner. Only the righteous are granted eternal life - the wicked suffer the Second Death, and it's a shame that thinking, rational Christians argue that death is not precisely what it is: a cessation of life.
Fires go out all the time that are not quenched - they run out of fuel.
Spare us the flawed commentary and present Scripture alone, please.
Of course He did.
Yes, we must read all the passages in context and not change what is literal to figurative, but also not change what is figurative to literal. We must remember that Matthew says Jesus fulfilled the words of the Psalms 78:1-2 KJV, adding "and without a parable, spake He not unto them." It is ludicrous for anyone to claim that the fiery burning "hell" in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is literal, as the contextual, hermeneutical evidence shows. They refuse to acknowledge the massive contradictions which arise by taking what is parabolic and making it literal in order to "prove" their false ideas about hell.
Hell does exist, but is not eternal. There can't be eternal suffering if there is no eternal sinner. Only the righteous are granted eternal life - the wicked suffer the Second Death, and it's a shame that thinking, rational Christians argue that death is not precisely what it is: a cessation of life.
Agreed
We may have already broken the law, but there is forgiveness "for sins that are past", not a license to keep on breaking it. Do you believe we "can do all things through Christ Which strengtheneth" us?
I don't know anyone who strives to justify themselves by keeping the law...the overwhelming problem in the church today is people trying to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.
We may have already broken the law, but there is forgiveness "for sins that are past", not a license to keep on breaking it. Do you believe we "can do all things through Christ Which strengtheneth" us?
I don't know anyone who strives to justify themselves by keeping the law...the overwhelming problem in the church today is people trying to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.
Bro, if I had a buck for every time you used the word "context" and for every time you took verses out of it
Fires go out all the time that are not quenched - they run out of fuel.
Spare us the flawed commentary and present Scripture alone, please.
Of course He did.
Yes, we must read all the passages in context and not change what is literal to figurative, but also not change what is figurative to literal. We must remember that Matthew says Jesus fulfilled the words of the Psalms 78:1-2 KJV, adding "and without a parable, spake He not unto them." It is ludicrous for anyone to claim that the fiery burning "hell" in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is literal, as the contextual, hermeneutical evidence shows. They refuse to acknowledge the massive contradictions which arise by taking what is parabolic and making it literal in order to "prove" their false ideas about hell.
Hell does exist, but is not eternal. There can't be eternal suffering if there is no eternal sinner. Only the righteous are granted eternal life - the wicked suffer the Second Death, and it's a shame that thinking, rational Christians argue that death is not precisely what it is: a cessation of life.
Fires go out all the time that are not quenched - they run out of fuel.
Spare us the flawed commentary and present Scripture alone, please.
Of course He did.
Yes, we must read all the passages in context and not change what is literal to figurative, but also not change what is figurative to literal. We must remember that Matthew says Jesus fulfilled the words of the Psalms 78:1-2 KJV, adding "and without a parable, spake He not unto them." It is ludicrous for anyone to claim that the fiery burning "hell" in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is literal, as the contextual, hermeneutical evidence shows. They refuse to acknowledge the massive contradictions which arise by taking what is parabolic and making it literal in order to "prove" their false ideas about hell.
Hell does exist, but is not eternal. There can't be eternal suffering if there is no eternal sinner. Only the righteous are granted eternal life - the wicked suffer the Second Death, and it's a shame that thinking, rational Christians argue that death is not precisely what it is: a cessation of life.
Come on man! don't try to change my Gumbo, when I provided the recipe. Context is where the interpretation can be found then develop the application. Jesus said the fire WILL NOT GO OUT! you say it will using human logic. Also, I did not use the Parable of a " certain Rich and Lazarus" because that by it's self doesn't explain the reality and literal Hell Jesus spoke about. But that being said Jesus explained HIS word were not without meaning or significance.
Jesus said Hell was a place and the fire there will not go out. You do not use a parable to dismiss the literal and you must understand why Jesus said them, to begin with.
Jesus always used literal teaching prior to or right after speaking a parable to explain the truth HE was telling.
As far a figurative and literal meaning in the context of "hell"
Jesus spoke of Hell literally and used parables figuratively to explain the reality of HELL.
Jesus did not speak about the place the devil and those who reject salvation will go to as a fictitious place.
is the devil real?
Is heaven real?
Is hell real ?
Yes to all three, but Jesus spoke of a place where the devil will go for eternity as Jesus also spoke of the Heaven He was going to in John 14.
Jesus said I go to a place
John 14:1-3
1 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
Jesus in Acts 1 literally went to that place word Mansions here is figurative, however, that was to help those HE was speaking to, to receive an understanding of the literal place Jesus was going to. How can I say that?
Simple, Jesus said, " IF IT were not so, I would have told you."
The place Jesus went to is real, the place of Hell Jesus spoke about is real, the devil is real, and the eternal judgment also is very much real. Because Jesus Himself said so. Pull from Pslams and prophet and other books in the Bile if it contradicts the Lord Jesus the error is on your understanding Not the words of Jesus or what he said about the literal eternal punishment of hell.