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Which is a "Doctrine of Devils" - Universalism or Eternal Damnationism?
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Interesting when you study the history of what you believe -
In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known.”
~ “The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge” by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96
Thus, the 'Eternal Damnation' doctrine originated in the Catholic Church.
Imagine that.
In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known.”
~ “The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge” by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96
Thus, the 'Eternal Damnation' doctrine originated in the Catholic Church.
Imagine that.
Yup, what sounds more demonic - that God will torture people he created in his image for eternity, or that he shall redeem all that he created?
Romans 11:36 Out of him and through him and to him are ALL THINGS.
Romans 11:36 Out of him and through him and to him are ALL THINGS.
Rom.11:36 doesn't mean all will be redeemed. It means God doesn't owe anyone anything,
Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? Rom.11:35
Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? Rom.11:35
It appears that Paul believed in universalism because in 1 Cor 5 he says...
4) So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5) hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
Paul said hand this person over to Satan who is responsible for the flesh for the destruction of that man's flesh. The good news is that even though his flesh was destroyed his spirit will be saved on the Day of the Lord. This is proof that no matter what we do in the flesh our spirit will be saved on the Day of the Lord but this does not mean that there are no consequences for what we do in the flesh. We will be held accountable for what we do in the flesh so we still must be careful to walk in the spirit and do the right thing and not sin.
4) So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5) hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
Paul said hand this person over to Satan who is responsible for the flesh for the destruction of that man's flesh. The good news is that even though his flesh was destroyed his spirit will be saved on the Day of the Lord. This is proof that no matter what we do in the flesh our spirit will be saved on the Day of the Lord but this does not mean that there are no consequences for what we do in the flesh. We will be held accountable for what we do in the flesh so we still must be careful to walk in the spirit and do the right thing and not sin.
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The lord does not torture the people. In fact he has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.
Theology is just that a theroy based on ones assumption.
Christianity was corrupted by the RCC as the 5th and 6th centuries of papal rule came about. The true church of God was hiding out in the caves, mountains, valleys, etc. They were groups like the Waldenses, Albegenses, Bogimills, Lollards, etc, all hunted as heretics by papal authorities. These churches perserved the Scriptures and risked their lives spreading the Gospel to those who had been taught papal dogmas which left them devoid of Biblical truths, such as the sweet, simple foundational truth of Christianity -- faith in Christ alone for salvation.
The French Hugenots were persecuted fiercely by Rome, so much so that these timepiece masters had to flee France -- and they took their trade with them as they fled across the Alps -- and sought refuge with the Swiss, and that is how Switzerland became the timepiece capital of the world.
During the Protestant Reformation, Reformer Ulrich Zwingle showed up and his VERY FIRST SERMON he preached to them was on the book of Daniel -- not from a Jesuit Preterist or Jesuit Futurist perspective but from the Protestant Historicist perspective -- and the whole of Scotland converted from catholicism to Protestantism.
Today, sadly, the entire "protestant" Christian world is preaching catholic doctrine: immortality of the soul, eternal torment for the wicked, Jesuit Preterism or Jesuit Futurism, Dispensationalism, etc. The people have enjoyed almost two centuries of rest from Rome's atrocities, but let the fires of persecution be lit and then they will wake up to see just who they've been cozying up to and defending in the dizzying ecumenical love fest that rages today.
I don't think Paul meant the church was to literally tie up the man and call Satan to come get him, like the virgins offered to King Kong.
Keeping in mind the "Matthew 18 principle" of dealing with sin in the church, Paul's words can only be referring to the church coming together to disfellowship the man, that he might wake up and recognize his depraved state and "crucify the flesh with the affections and lust" so that he could be once again be right with God and turn his steps back toward the Path of the Just.
That's what "destruction of the flesh" seems to mean, right or wrong?
Those who are new should not introduce themselves with false doctrines. Universalism is a blatant lie.
Profits nothing unless we seek understanding of Holy Spirit.
Which is a "Doctrine of Devils" - Universalism or Eternal Damnationism?
Apparently, Universalism is.
Eternal Damnation is a Biblical Fact...
Revelation 14:11
“And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
man is also left without excuse now because the gospel is available and preached in the world God has given us a choice to be saved now , he has also repeatedly warned mankind about sin , death and damnation he’s warned us about hell and promised us heaven made the way and told us to believe and follow and be saved
God has never promised to ignore our sin , but has always warned us we’re sin leads us
universalism claims the entire universe including Satan will be redeemed and saved …. This is undeniably false or Gods word has it all wrong
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:41, 46 KJV
it’s plain but many can’t hear it so we hear it and say “ that doesn’t say what it says it’s not gonna be that way “ we’re kicking against the thorns and pricks when we hear what the lord said and reject it and take about her path in understanding
He opens that part saying “ when I return all nations of People are going to be gathered before me and seperated to the right and left those on the right will inherit the kingdom those on the left will be cast into the everlasting fire prepared for Satan and his angels.
in the beginning God seperated light and dark , good and evil
“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good:
and God divided the light from the darkness.”
Genesis 1:3-4 KJV
Man let the darkness in and press it through the world corrupting the earth with evil
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
Genesis 6:5-6, 11-13 KJV
now good and evil are both throughout creation and so terrible crimes happen to good decent people because good and evil can’t coexist peacefully and fruitfully.
evil people pursuing the knowledge of evil do evil things and often good people are victims reaching out to others to do a good deed and help can lead to danger in a world like this that’s just one example but eternity is going to be different there’s a division of good and evil when we leave this world a seperation
“And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.”
Luke 16:22-24, 26 KJV
see like in the beginning again good and evil is made seperate Gods people and the devils people seperated again after we die to this place of evil and good mixed in this world where evil often appears to win d good often appears to suffer
in the next place those who caused suffering in this world will suffer then and those who suffered in this life will know peace then
martyrs for instance seemed to have lost thier earthly Life to evil , but then they entered eternity as faithful children of God and have won the victory the Bible talks about that is beyond death to this terrible world
To think a man who does great evil and never gets caught on earth and loves a long life , never has to pay for the wicked things he’s done is to not understand Gods character from the beginning to the end
From the ot to new
“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
People who do evil and don’t repent and continue in those things have a debt to pay they don’t just Rest In Peace d never wake up or disappear God will make all things just
many times evil people live prosperous long lives on earth they then have to answer to God for all they have done and he’s sworn to repay many times I myself believe there’s a place none of us want to go
and also I believe some can be redeemed at the judgement
after that happens I’m not sure if they paid in hell And then die in the lake of fire ? Or if the lake of fire is thier oayment which seems to be the case because they are judged after they die they are raised up and then judged by thier deeds and then some sre cast into the lake of fire as a result
Of thier deeds
even people in hell
Now and since this began are going to be raised to face jidgement but did they pay in hell ? And now repent ? And some are saved ? It also seems to suggest that in revelation.
that is not correct. Jesus is the authority on Hell and the context of its eternal condition for those who go there. Which Jesus said before the founding of the RCC.
Universalism and eternal damnation are both doctrines of satan.
Only God has immortality.
The teaching that man shall not surely die is a lie.
Man can die and without God will die.
Rev 22: 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Only God has immortality.
The teaching that man shall not surely die is a lie.
Man can die and without God will die.
Rev 22: 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.