Leftist Thinking Is The Most Destructive Element In Existence

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This type of discussion drives me crazy, especially within the confines of Christ's church of believers.

Jesus tells us:

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age. Matt. 28: 18-20

Here is the addendum we've created for that passage in the last 100 years:

"Fear communism more than God. It is the evilest thing ever created. Fear it more than Satan; it is much more powerful. Instead of praying, 'lead us not into temptation,' we need to ask God to lead us not into communism.

We cannot trust God anymore to do what is right and good. Therefore, we must fight for our freedoms above all else, even more than we fight for lost souls. After all, we may have to give up the rights to our guns, our cars, and our nice homes. And we're just too proud to let that happen. After all, we are AMERICANS!!

Furthermore, the US constitution reigns supreme over God's Word. It's good to read the Bible, but all is lost if our constitution falls prey to liberal ideologies. We will never recover our liberties, and at that point, we all may as well curl up and die.

So, it is time to fight back! We must become obsessed to the point of disregarding the will of God concerning the following:

Science: We must be suspicious of it always. After all, it is NOT a gift from God but an abomination of leftist liberals.

Education: All is already lost there. We may as well give up. Just keep doing nothing and continue complaining about it, especially since it feels good to rail about everything. Besides, why would anyone want to be a teacher? It doesn't pay anything. Instead, keep telling your children to become engineers and executives to impress your friends at church.

Religion. Above all, keep being religious. It looks good and can set a good example for all those atheist, democrat, liberal freaks. If we just keep dressing up and going to church every week, they will see what great Christians we are, and we can stick our fingers deeper into the eyes of those dirty communists.

Pastors: We must lead from the pulpit! We cannot let socialist ideals eclipse our own. After all, being an American is Godly. All others, leave your souls at the door. Therefore every sermon must contain a long-winded rant about how socialism is worse than going to hell. Forget all that discipleship stuff. This means war!

Above all, pretend to do the aforementioned in the name of love."
"In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."

1) OLD TESTAMENT
33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

2) NEW TESTAMENT
5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
 
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Acts
2: 44 All who believe are in one place, and all things are in common,
2: 45 And he sold his property and his house, and gave it to every man according to his need.

This is communism,If you are against it, then you are against Christianity.
Communism compels the transfer of individual wealth to the community by force of the business end of a gun barrel...and was responsible for the deaths of 100 Million of the community during the 20th century.

Capitalism encourages charity toward the community by teaching it as our moral duty and incentivizing us to do it.

I don't know, but the first one sounds more like Satan's kingdom, while the second sounds more like God's will for the church.
 

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This type of discussion drives me crazy, especially within the confines of Christ's church of believers.

Jesus tells us:

All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age. Matt. 28: 18-20
What do you do then when laws are made to prevent you to make disciples? And when these laws become universal?
Because that is what your children will be facing if you bury your head in the sand and allow it to happen.

Underestimating the severity of the situation certainly isn't the serpentine wisdom Jesus advised.
We are among wolves not teddy bears.
 

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In reference to who? According to the Mosaic Law, the priests and David were guilty of profanity..

1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.
2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”
3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.
verse 5 -- the priests are not guilty
verse 7 -- the disciples are not guilty


Jesus gives the example of David & Co. and the example of the temple priests in reply.
by doing so, Jesus is saying both David & Co. and the priests working in the temple on sabbath are identical to the disciples.


you condemn David, and the priest Ahimelek who gave him the shewbread and the sword of Goliath.
this puts you in Saul's camp rather than Christ's.


Saul's chief shepherd ((a type of antichrist, an evil shepherd in contrast to David the shepherd king type of Christ)), Doeg the Edomite, was at Nob and reported to Saul what Ahimelek had done. 1 Samuel 22. Saul orders his guards to kill all the priests of the LORD. his guards will not lay a finger on them. Doeg, the Edomite shepherd, kills them.
you would say this is just, and that David should also have been killed.


your interpretation here is that Jesus's immediate reply is an example condemning the disciples as worthy of death.
my dude, this does not seem right to me. go and read 1 Samuel 22-24 and see if you find God condemning David or Ahimelek. see if you find the account proving that Saul was doing the LORD's will?


this is no simple matter. Matthew 12:1-8 is amazing in what Jesus said to them.
the law itself commands the priests to break the letter of the sabbath commandments. God's own law concerning God's own temple requires God's own priests to violate the sabbath by doing work.
WOW
what is God teaching by this?


you insist that Matthew 12:1-8 KJV is a license to break the law if the situation requires it, though I've shown you a perfectly acceptable alternative interpretation in which Jesus' point is to expose hypocrisy.
WOW

absolutely to the contrary. i have not said anywhere or even hinted that Matthew 12 is license to sin or evidence of situational ethics being taught. you need to revisit how our conversation began:

what does it mean that when His disciples were "harvesting" some kernels of grain on the sabbath ((Matthew 12, Mark 2)), eating as they passed through a field, He answered the Pharisees accusation by pointing out that David & his men ate shewbread ((1 Samuel 21)), which was explicitly unlawful according to the commandment ((Leviticus 24)) ?

this isn't situational ethics?
((i agree, it's not -- so what is it?))
maybe you're a bit leftist in your false accusations, lack of reading comprehension, and false speech? ((poke-poke))
your '
perfectly acceptable alternative' is not at all acceptable while it calls David & Ahimelek guilty of sin unto death and calls them an unrelated spurious example; it sets the scripture against itself and makes Jesus a liar:


  • Jesus by implication says that the disciples picking grain on sabbath is identical to David eating shewbread
    • you say David and Ahimelek are worthy of death for this, guilty
  • Jesus explicitly refers to the disciples as "guiltless"
    • your interpretation calls Him a liar. that's not a good interpretation.

you need to go read 1 Samuel.
look: in 1 Samuel 22:9-14 we learn that Ahimelek inquired of the LORD for David. now go back to 1 Samuel 21:1-9. where did Ahimelek inquire of the LORD for him? there's nothing recorded about that. but in 1 Samuel 22, being condemned by Saul, Ahimelek concedes that yes he did inquire of the LORD for him. what then did the LORD say to Ahimelek?
well. the LORD God Almighty, who is manifest in the flesh as the man Christ Jesus, certainly did not say '
don't do this wicked thing by giving David food lawful only for the priests' -- yet Ahimelek was in contact with the LORD when this happened. in fact why did Ahimelek do this thing? he certainly knew the law. he's the one who said to David it isn't lawful. 1 Samuel 21:4 -- Ahimelek tells him that if the men have not been with women, they may eat it. where did Ahimelek get this from? that's not in the law. but we know that Ahimelek had inquired of the LORD in this matter.
here's where we are: God didn't say "
don't give them shewbread" and Ahimelek inquires of the LORD and Ahimelek tells David a strange requirement that does not come from the law. what did GOD say to Ahimelek? what did he inquire about??
hmm.
an antichrist-type is there and reports to Saul, also an antichrist type, whose response is to murder all the priests as he seeks out David the Christ-type to kill him.
hmm.
and Christ says this situation is identical to the phraisees condemning Christ's disciples for picking and eating grain on sabbath.
hmm.


this is not simple.
don't pass it off like it is.
God is a God of intelligence. He expects us to think. the Bible is written in such a way to force us to think.
first words out of Christ's mouth in Matthew 12 "
have you not read??" - this is Jesus' reply, pointing to 1 Samuel 21-23.
the pharisees were supposed to have read this, and thought about it, and reached a conclusion from it.
they were supposed to have learned from this something that would have prevented them from accusing the disciples.


Christ is greater than the temple yet these two examples alone teach something about the temple and about guiltlessness despite apparent breaking of the letter. the law itself was supposed to teach them something - not situational ethics - something that makes David innocent, Ahimelek innocent, the priests innocent in their temple service, and the disciples innocent.
Jesus says all this is connected. congruent.


think man!
the temple is greater than the sabbath
God's anointed one is greater than the temple


this isn't about "oh God overlooks their sin" -- if it were, it would be tacitly accusing the disciples of sin, agreeing with the pharisees! that's a superficial gloss of what's going on in this passage. it is far deeper!
 
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That's why Donald got the "boot" from God! :p

Dan 4v17...
He def removed em and sets em up.

He got plenty of Conservative judges seated as well as a solid right SCOTUS - all of which will be perfect when the Beast’s religious laws start getting enforced and leftists try to challenge them as unconstitutional.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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There is a movement currently in America to blend nationalism with Christianity...
It's poison fruit IMHO.
It sounds like you have accepted a redefinition of Nationalism. Nationalism is not Jingoism.
God commanded mankind to dwell in nations & territories. Global governance is rebellion.
 
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1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.
2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”
3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?
6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.
7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.
verse 5 -- the priests are not guilty
verse 7 -- the disciples are not guilty


Jesus gives the example of David & Co. and the example of the temple priests in reply.
by doing so, Jesus is saying both David & Co. and the priests working in the temple on sabbath are identical to the disciples.


you condemn David, and the priest Ahimelek who gave him the shewbread and the sword of Goliath.
this puts you in Saul's camp rather than Christ's.


Saul's chief shepherd ((a type of antichrist, an evil shepherd in contrast to David the shepherd king type of Christ)), Doeg the Edomite, was at Nob and reported to Saul what Ahimelek had done. 1 Samuel 22. Saul orders his guards to kill all the priests of the LORD. his guards will not lay a finger on them. Doeg, the Edomite shepherd, kills them.
you would say this is just, and that David should also have been killed.


your interpretation here is that Jesus's immediate reply is an example condemning the disciples as worthy of death.
my dude, this does not seem right to me. go and read 1 Samuel 22-24 and see if you find God condemning David or Ahimelek. see if you find the account proving that Saul was doing the LORD's will?


this is no simple matter. Matthew 12:1-8 is amazing in what Jesus said to them.
the law itself commands the priests to break the letter of the sabbath commandments. God's own law concerning God's own temple requires God's own priests to violate the sabbath by doing work.
WOW
what is God teaching by this?




WOW

absolutely to the contrary. i have not said anywhere or even hinted that Matthew 12 is license to sin or evidence of situational ethics being taught. you need to revisit how our conversation began:



maybe you're a bit leftist in your false accusations, lack of reading comprehension, and false speech? ((poke-poke))
your '
perfectly acceptable alternative' is not at all acceptable while it calls David & Ahimelek guilty of sin unto death and calls them an unrelated spurious example; it sets the scripture against itself and makes Jesus a liar:


  • Jesus by implication says that the disciples picking grain on sabbath is identical to David eating shewbread
    • you say David and Ahimelek are worthy of death for this, guilty
  • Jesus explicitly refers to the disciples as "guiltless"
    • your interpretation calls Him a liar. that's not a good interpretation.

you need to go read 1 Samuel.
look: in 1 Samuel 22:9-14 we learn that Ahimelek inquired of the LORD for David. now go back to 1 Samuel 21:1-9. where did Ahimelek inquire of the LORD for him? there's nothing recorded about that. but in 1 Samuel 22, being condemned by Saul, Ahimelek concedes that yes he did inquire of the LORD for him. what then did the LORD say to Ahimelek?
well. the LORD God Almighty, who is manifest in the flesh as the man Christ Jesus, certainly did not say '
don't do this wicked thing by giving David food lawful only for the priests' -- yet Ahimelek was in contact with the LORD when this happened. in fact why did Ahimelek do this thing? he certainly knew the law. he's the one who said to David it isn't lawful. 1 Samuel 21:4 -- Ahimelek tells him that if the men have not been with women, they may eat it. where did Ahimelek get this from? that's not in the law. but we know that Ahimelek had inquired of the LORD in this matter.
here's where we are: God didn't say "
don't give them shewbread" and Ahimelek inquires of the LORD and Ahimelek tells David a strange requirement that does not come from the law. what did GOD say to Ahimelek? what did he inquire about??
hmm.
an antichrist-type is there and reports to Saul, also an antichrist type, whose response is to murder all the priests as he seeks out David the Christ-type to kill him.
hmm.
and Christ says this situation is identical to the phraisees condemning Christ's disciples for picking and eating grain on sabbath.
hmm.


this is not simple.
don't pass it off like it is.
God is a God of intelligence. He expects us to think. the Bible is written in such a way to force us to think.
first words out of Christ's mouth in Matthew 12 "
have you not read??" - this is Jesus' reply, pointing to 1 Samuel 21-23.
the pharisees were supposed to have read this, and thought about it, and reached a conclusion from it.
they were supposed to have learned from this something that would have prevented them from accusing the disciples.


Christ is greater than the temple yet these two examples alone teach something about the temple and about guiltlessness despite apparent breaking of the letter. the law itself was supposed to teach them something - not situational ethics - something that makes David innocent, Ahimelek innocent, the priests innocent in their temple service, and the disciples innocent.
Jesus says all this is connected. congruent.


think man!
the temple is greater than the sabbath
God's anointed one is greater than the temple


this isn't about "oh God overlooks their sin" -- if it were, it would be tacitly accusing the disciples of sin, agreeing with the pharisees! that's a superficial gloss of what's going on in this passage. it is far deeper!
You are completely missing the point. The context of the “innocent” in this passage are Jesus and His disciples, the only ones being CONDEMNED by the Pharisees - which is why Jesus took the occasion to point out their HYPOCRISY, not to excuse sin by virtue of Situation Ethics, which you insist is established here.

If Situation Ethics doesn’t exist, otherwise NO ONE at the Nuremberg trials was guilty of genocide - because the situation made genocide necessary.

If it does exist, I got bills due - so I’m sure you won’t mind if you wake up to find your car “borrowed”, right? 😎
 
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It sounds like you have accepted a redefinition of Nationalism. Nationalism is not Jingoism.
God commanded mankind to dwell in nations & territories. Global governance is rebellion.
SO TRUE! Satan’s first attempt at a NWO was so close but crashed and burned with one little word of God at Babel. He’s very close again, but Revelation 18 predicts the same fate, with no chance of the third time being the charm.
 

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You are completely missing the point. The context of the “innocent” in this passage are Jesus and His disciples, the only ones being CONDEMNED by the Pharisees - which is why Jesus took the occasion to point out their HYPOCRISY
no, not so, friend. that's exactly my point. if you had understood the post you replied to you'd see that i said exactly this. the disciples are innocent.
Jesus replies immediately with the example of David being given shewbread by Ahimelek.
Jesus is tacitly saying, from square 1, that the disciples being condemned by the pharisees here is equivalent to Saul condemning Ahimelek and the rest of the priests. that the disciples eating grain on sabbath is equivalent to David eating shewbread.

they are innocent. Ahimelek is innocent. David is innocent.

He is not calling them hypocrites here; He's calling them ignorant and dull of understanding.

i've asked you several times to tell me what you think is the hypocrisy being pointed out, but you haven't??


to excuse sin by virtue of Situation Ethics, which you insist is established here.
you are demonstrably dull of understanding, too.

look:

what does it mean that when His disciples were "harvesting" some kernels of grain on the sabbath ((Matthew 12, Mark 2)), eating as they passed through a field, He answered the Pharisees accusation by pointing out that David & his men ate shewbread ((1 Samuel 21)), which was explicitly unlawful according to the commandment ((Leviticus 24)) ?

this isn't situational ethics?
((i agree, it's not -- so what is it?))
from the very beginning of our conversation i have said this is not situational ethics.
why do you falsely accuse me?
are you not acting like Saul in 1 Samuel 22?
are you not acting like the pharisees in Matthew 12?


if Ahimelek is worthy of death for giving the shewbread to David ((as you say)) then is Doeg the Edomite, the evil shepherd of the dethroned king, acting righteously in God's behalf?
who is the corelating figure of Doeg the Edomite in Matthew 12?
 

posthuman

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if people would put even a quarter of the effort into meditating on scripture as they do on hating some nebulous group of 'others' and blaming them for everything that's wrong with everything...

... maybe then we could discuss the Bible in the Bible Discussion Forum.
 

posthuman

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"Doeg" means "full of fear/anxiety"

"
Ahimelek" means "brother to the king"
 

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Communism compels the transfer of individual wealth to the community by force of the business end of a gun barrel...and was responsible for the deaths of 100 Million of the community during the 20th century.

Capitalism encourages charity toward the community by teaching it as our moral duty and incentivizing us to do it.

I don't know, but the first one sounds more like Satan's kingdom, while the second sounds more like God's will for the church.
Okay,Maybe you don't fully understand the word communism.

I want to ask a question:
what is left Christian ? or right Christian ?
 

posthuman

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Capitalism encourages charity toward the community by teaching it as our moral duty and incentivizing us to do it.
capitalism does not teach charity.
capitalism is covetousness. it is the opposite of charity.
 

posthuman

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capitalism does not teach charity.
capitalism is covetousness. it is the opposite of charity.
here's capitalism in the Bible:

By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches,
and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches

(Ezekiel 28:5)
 

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Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom:
pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters,
neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

(Ezekiel 16:49)

according to God the great iniquity of Sodom wasn't homosexuality.
it was vanity, abundance with idleness, and refusing to help the poor and needy.
 

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I didnt know 'leftist thinking' was an element,

I thought the most destructive element was something like uranium. Or plutonium. Lead is pretty destructive too.