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All very helpful posts everyone. As others have testified most if not all go through some form of this sin, repent, fear cycle.
Feelings however real they are to you are useless in the process. You have already gone through all the proper steps for restoration and renewed fellowship with God. Conviction of sin, repenting of that sin, confession of the sin or sins along with your earnest desire to be restored.These are the work of the Holy Spirit which only Christians who are born from above experience. Something that appears to be lacking is your trust. Toss those feeling overboard when it comes to Salvation and forgiveness and take God at His word!
Here is what Jesus has to say about your sins.
Mark 3:28 Assuredly, I say to you, ALL sins shall be forgiven the sons of men (that's you) and whatsoever blasphemies they may utter.
Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out, like a thick cloud your transgressions, and like a cloud your sins. Return to Me for I have redeemed you.
Now simply take your stand upon His Word. Believe God praise and Thank Him!
Friend we are saved by grace though faith. God calls, we believe. Our daily walk is just the same.
message me if you would like some help and encouragement.
Praying for you.
Feelings however real they are to you are useless in the process. You have already gone through all the proper steps for restoration and renewed fellowship with God. Conviction of sin, repenting of that sin, confession of the sin or sins along with your earnest desire to be restored.These are the work of the Holy Spirit which only Christians who are born from above experience. Something that appears to be lacking is your trust. Toss those feeling overboard when it comes to Salvation and forgiveness and take God at His word!
Here is what Jesus has to say about your sins.
Mark 3:28 Assuredly, I say to you, ALL sins shall be forgiven the sons of men (that's you) and whatsoever blasphemies they may utter.
Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out, like a thick cloud your transgressions, and like a cloud your sins. Return to Me for I have redeemed you.
Now simply take your stand upon His Word. Believe God praise and Thank Him!
Friend we are saved by grace though faith. God calls, we believe. Our daily walk is just the same.
message me if you would like some help and encouragement.
Praying for you.
Hello there,
what you want to do is examine yourself to see whether or not you are in the faith (2 Cor. 13:5).
It may be possible that you were never saved to begin with. Regarding salvation, how did you come to God?
Did you come to Him as a sinner? Because that is how the Bible describes salvation. It is repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).
Now having said that; if you are truly saved, well then it is impossible for you to lose your salvation.
You see; God is not an Indian giver. And one thing you need to keep in mind is His Promise to Christians. He promised us Eternal Life. If your salvation could be lost, then it would not be eternal life.
And those that teach that a Christian can lose salvation are calling God a liar.
God said that He gave us Eternal Life. Therefore I choose to believe what He says on the Matter. God keeps His promises. All of them. And His word is true and perfect.
John 3:16
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:36
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36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 4:14
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14 but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 5:24
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24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 6:40
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40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:47
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47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 10:27-28
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27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 17:1-2
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17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
1 John 5:10-13
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10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
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Furthermore, when you get saved you are still going to have trouble in your flesh. Because while your soul is redeemed, your flesh is not. That is why we have to crucify our flesh daily with the lusts and affections thereof (Gal. 5:24). And that definitely takes work. It is not a walk in the park.
And what ever sins you committed, just make sure you confess them to God and forsake them and just move forward. And again; if you have truly been saved, then you are still saved. Just get back to serving the Lord with your life.
And what ever sins you committed, just make sure you confess them to God and forsake them and just move forward. And again; if you have truly been saved, then you are still saved. Just get back to serving the Lord with your life.
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God didn't send his Son to brutally die for our sins on a wooden pole for nothing. I think the only reason you'd doubt God and his love and patience is probably because you've become estranged from him. It's true that God punishes sinners and he disciplines his children when they sin. But why? What is sin? God wants the best for his Creation, and I believe sin is against this. By sinning the person you're hurting is yourself. You've hurt your relationship with God and your faith. If you are God's child then he may be disciplining you. If you are no longer his child it is probably because you've wondered away from him and the Enemy has won this battle as a result. I hope he doesn't win the war.
Hebrews 12:3-11, "For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds. You yourselves have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as unto sons: My son, do not despise the chastening of Yahweh, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom Yahweh loves, He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives. If you endure chastening, Yahweh deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Furthermore, we have had fleshly fathers who corrected us, and we gave them reverence; should we not even more be subject to Father Yahweh, and live? For they truly chastened us for a few days as they thought best; but He, for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful at the present time, but grievous; nevertheless, afterward it produces the peaceable fruit of righteousness, that is, for those who have been trained by it."
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If you have been living where you do everything that kills you and lies, and it makes you feel alive, reevaluate your essence. Is what makes you really you? Are you there in the mirror... Give up your will and pick up your cross. You will miss instant gratification but I hope you learn to love the challenge of your spiritual journey.
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
One thing God is not, and that is a hypocrite. He will not tell you something that He won't do. If He tells you to forgive others when they repent 490 times, He will do the same for you. He is a faithful God who promised.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
You need to start believing the word of God. He doesn't lie either. Your feeling are fickle, they change with every situation. Also, salvation has nothing to do with how one feels, it is based on faith in Jesus and the Word of God. Trust God to do exactly what He said He would do. Repent, ask for his forgiveness, forgive yourself while your at it, and thank Him for forgiving you and for cleansing you of all unrighteousness by faith. And it is done, just like God said. Your slate is wiped clean.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Learn how to walk in the Spirit and you won't do the things you hate. Learn how to walk by faith. If you are not walking in faith and love, then you are walking in sin anyway, and not walking in the Spirit.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Your strength is in Christ, not in your own abilities. How can Christ be your strength if you are trying to do it yourself. For 'my strength is made perfect in weakness.' This too is done in faith with nothing waivering. Let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord. You cannot receive from God any other way.
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
One thing God is not, and that is a hypocrite. He will not tell you something that He won't do. If He tells you to forgive others when they repent 490 times, He will do the same for you. He is a faithful God who promised.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
You need to start believing the word of God. He doesn't lie either. Your feeling are fickle, they change with every situation. Also, salvation has nothing to do with how one feels, it is based on faith in Jesus and the Word of God. Trust God to do exactly what He said He would do. Repent, ask for his forgiveness, forgive yourself while your at it, and thank Him for forgiving you and for cleansing you of all unrighteousness by faith. And it is done, just like God said. Your slate is wiped clean.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Learn how to walk in the Spirit and you won't do the things you hate. Learn how to walk by faith. If you are not walking in faith and love, then you are walking in sin anyway, and not walking in the Spirit.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Your strength is in Christ, not in your own abilities. How can Christ be your strength if you are trying to do it yourself. For 'my strength is made perfect in weakness.' This too is done in faith with nothing waivering. Let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord. You cannot receive from God any other way.
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Hi,
I just read this post today and wanted to reply. It’s been years since someone posted and I hope things have improved for you.
In terms of going through the ‘lost salvation’ scenario. When we have sinned to a certain level then we are more vulnerable for this idea to set into our minds and start to believe in it but the good news is that God can provide you a way of escape from thinking like this.
There is a good approach you can take with the Holy Spirit and it is this. The bible speaks about the Spirit of God being able to put to death the works of the flesh and says in Romans 8:13 “but if by the Spirit you put to death the works of the flesh you will live”.
Notice the battle doesn’t begin with you but God is encouraging us to use the Holy Spirit to aid us in putting to death immorality and other such sins in our life.
Even after asking the Holy Spirit to aid you you may not find you suddenly just give up sinning over night. It may take some time but if you continue to request aid then God is faithful to help you.
I would say speak to the Holy Spirit directly and pray a prayer like this to get you started
“Holy Spirit, I give you the darkest parts of my heart and ask you to bring your light into those places and free me. I believe you can do this because of what Jesus did on the cross for me. Amen”
I just read this post today and wanted to reply. It’s been years since someone posted and I hope things have improved for you.
In terms of going through the ‘lost salvation’ scenario. When we have sinned to a certain level then we are more vulnerable for this idea to set into our minds and start to believe in it but the good news is that God can provide you a way of escape from thinking like this.
There is a good approach you can take with the Holy Spirit and it is this. The bible speaks about the Spirit of God being able to put to death the works of the flesh and says in Romans 8:13 “but if by the Spirit you put to death the works of the flesh you will live”.
Notice the battle doesn’t begin with you but God is encouraging us to use the Holy Spirit to aid us in putting to death immorality and other such sins in our life.
Even after asking the Holy Spirit to aid you you may not find you suddenly just give up sinning over night. It may take some time but if you continue to request aid then God is faithful to help you.
I would say speak to the Holy Spirit directly and pray a prayer like this to get you started
“Holy Spirit, I give you the darkest parts of my heart and ask you to bring your light into those places and free me. I believe you can do this because of what Jesus did on the cross for me. Amen”
Recently, a well known preacher by the name of Dr. Gene Kim preached a message condemning any of his critics who expressed their concerns about his extreme views about Once Saved Always Saved - 'OSAS' or Eternal Security.
Although some might claim they agree with the more conservative principles associated with OSAS as preached by Billy Graham and his two children (Franklin and Anne), the question should be asked - Is OSAS a Biblically-based doctrine that will actually Save people from Hell after they die? I don't believe that it does.
I encourage everyone on this forum to view my rebuttal to Dr. Kim's video to not only appreciate the diabolical claims that he makes regarding OSAS, but to see what the True Gospel is that aligns with the Apostle Paul's Gospel that he termed "My Gospel" that the Bible says Jesus will use at the Judgment"
Romans 2:16
In the day [of Judgment] when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to My Gospel.
Paul's Gospel is one that MUST be "obeyed":
Romans 10:16
But they have not all OBEYED the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
"I appreciate that some people in this chat room are fearful of losing their Salvation, however the best remedy is for everyone to look at what Paul's Gospel represents, to then be able to "Strive towards the Mark of High Calling in Christ Jesus" that brings HOPE rather than despair:
Philippians 3:13-15
"Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I PRESS TOWARD THE MARK FOR THE PRIZE OF THE HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you."
Please check out this 17 minute video to the end.
Blessings, Alan
Although some might claim they agree with the more conservative principles associated with OSAS as preached by Billy Graham and his two children (Franklin and Anne), the question should be asked - Is OSAS a Biblically-based doctrine that will actually Save people from Hell after they die? I don't believe that it does.
I encourage everyone on this forum to view my rebuttal to Dr. Kim's video to not only appreciate the diabolical claims that he makes regarding OSAS, but to see what the True Gospel is that aligns with the Apostle Paul's Gospel that he termed "My Gospel" that the Bible says Jesus will use at the Judgment"
Romans 2:16
In the day [of Judgment] when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to My Gospel.
Paul's Gospel is one that MUST be "obeyed":
Romans 10:16
But they have not all OBEYED the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
"I appreciate that some people in this chat room are fearful of losing their Salvation, however the best remedy is for everyone to look at what Paul's Gospel represents, to then be able to "Strive towards the Mark of High Calling in Christ Jesus" that brings HOPE rather than despair:
Philippians 3:13-15
"Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I PRESS TOWARD THE MARK FOR THE PRIZE OF THE HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you."
Please check out this 17 minute video to the end.
Blessings, Alan
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Today we cannot lose the Holy Spirit . its impossible. Before the giving of the Holy Spirit where he would come and go from a person, like Saul for example..Today we are sealed ! by the Holy Spirit . Eph 4.30 . Eph 1.12-13 .
Loss of salvation is false teaching which leads to the destructive experience your now going through .
Loss of salvation is false teaching which leads to the destructive experience your now going through .
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You can't lose salvation and still believe that there is salvation, salvation is believing. Not decisions, not good behavior, or bad behavior, or good works or sin. Salvation is simply trusting Jesus for your salvation. The problem is that you are trying to do something so you can trust yourself. Do you believe, are ya baptized? Yes and yes, well your saved. The only way to not be saved is to stop believing.
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We are told we have eternal life, not conditional life
we are told we will live forever and never die., one who loses salvation was alive then died.
we are told he will never leave nor forsake Us, i am reminded of those in the OT who tried to hide, bit realised no matter where they went God was there, as God said, if you go here, I am ther, if you go there there is am also. (Paraphrase). If you think you can leave God, you do not know him very well
we are told we are redeemed, bought with a price. You don’t just let things you spent much for go, you keep them because they are yours.
we are told we were justified not might be justified
we are told we have been given the spirit as a pledge, UNTIL that day of redemption. No mention of this seal being broken before
we are told we have been baptized, adopted, and born into the family of God, you don’t just lose that, they are eternal, even if you wander, as Jesus said, he will leave to come find you, and since you are his, you hear his voice and follow.
this nonsense of conditional life which can be lost is not found in scripture, it’s sad people want to preach God as a spirit of fear, when God says he is our Abba father
we are told we will live forever and never die., one who loses salvation was alive then died.
we are told he will never leave nor forsake Us, i am reminded of those in the OT who tried to hide, bit realised no matter where they went God was there, as God said, if you go here, I am ther, if you go there there is am also. (Paraphrase). If you think you can leave God, you do not know him very well
we are told we are redeemed, bought with a price. You don’t just let things you spent much for go, you keep them because they are yours.
we are told we were justified not might be justified
we are told we have been given the spirit as a pledge, UNTIL that day of redemption. No mention of this seal being broken before
we are told we have been baptized, adopted, and born into the family of God, you don’t just lose that, they are eternal, even if you wander, as Jesus said, he will leave to come find you, and since you are his, you hear his voice and follow.
this nonsense of conditional life which can be lost is not found in scripture, it’s sad people want to preach God as a spirit of fear, when God says he is our Abba father
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I think its natural to think that its possible you could lose your salvation.
Especially considering all the "theology" out there telling you all the things you have to do to earn that salvation. And if you mess up and don't continue in all those things what happened with the Salvation you earned?
Equally, telling someone they are saved because they repeated a prayer or were baptized in special water and then telling them that salvation can't be lost could have equal repercussions.
It is true that Salvation can't be lost. But it can't be earned, either. Salvation is given as a gift.
Especially considering all the "theology" out there telling you all the things you have to do to earn that salvation. And if you mess up and don't continue in all those things what happened with the Salvation you earned?
Equally, telling someone they are saved because they repeated a prayer or were baptized in special water and then telling them that salvation can't be lost could have equal repercussions.
It is true that Salvation can't be lost. But it can't be earned, either. Salvation is given as a gift.
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